Is Trump handing LA effectively?

[Lutherf]

I think this idea that Trump wants to murder every illegal immigrant from central and south America is just as stupid as this idea that there is a literal invasion of illegal immigrants so severe that the only thing that will save us is the Insurrection Act. It's just as nuts as saying there is a rebellion in Los Angeles right now. It's just as delusional as saying that the Alien Enemies Act applies to random Venezuelans who have no criminal record whatsoever. It's just as crazy as saying that we are experiencing a fentanyl crisis so severe it warrants launching a trade war against every country on the planet.

I know you love hyperbole and sarcasm when applied to your political opponents, and minimization and deflection when it applies to your political allies (everyday college kegger, amirite?), but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. So, apply the same logic to this fake rebellion Trump is using to justify terrorizing Los Angeles.

Have you seen the records of the people Trump is rounding up? Rapists, murderers, drug dealers, human traffickers, all manner of criminals. I get it, you think it;s a GOOD thing that we have as many criminals on the street as we can manage and I understand that you want MORE of them here but your goal of destroying the nation from the inside out isn't really shared by everyone else and those other people, if we're going to have a free and fair nation, need to get their representation too.

 

[Quag]

The only thing the orange traitor does effectively is con gullible idiots

 

[Sabre]

Please quote for me where in the 2ND is says "under state control", my copy must have missed that.

 

[Bodecea]

This is not the end of the riots, but only the beginning. The looting is now starting.

"The looting is now starting".....where did you get that information?

 

[Bodecea]

“Oh my God, this is horrible,” said Assembly Member Pilar Schiavo, D-Chatsworth, when a Chronicle reporter showed her the photos. “That’s incredibly shocking and concerning.”​

Nonsense. I've survived much worse during my time in the US Army.

"my time in the US Army"....

 

[Bodecea]

Again, I don't know what a good response looks like but these are not protests. This is organized violence, destruction of property and looting and is fast on its way to 1992. Obviously, the state powers that be are not able or willing to quell these riots. I feel sorry for people who live in California.

Don't feel sorry for those who are actually standing up to the rapey felon and his thugs. They are the brave ones.

 

[Taylor]

See above.

See post 119.

Don't be a conspiracist.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

A simple poll, to capture a moment in time.

The question is not whether it's good or bad, sane or insane, lawful or unlawful, only whether or not Trump's response to what's happening in LA right now is the most effective response.

My personal opinion is that this is not an effective response, but rather serves to reinforce the concerns around incompetent tyranny, and pretty much guarantees escalation. Furthermore, it gives his detractors more ammunition the further it escalates.

What do you guys think?

Unfortunately this the end result when local leaders reward bad behavior.

 

[upsideguy]

Have you seen the records of the people Trump is rounding up? Rapists, murderers, drug dealers, human traffickers, all manner of criminals. I get it, you think it;s a GOOD thing that we have as many criminals on the street as we can manage and I understand that you want MORE of them here but your goal of destroying the nation from the inside out isn't really shared by everyone else and those other people, if we're going to have a free and fair nation, need to get their representation too.

Where have you seen that???? most of the people sent to a life sentence in El Salvador had NO criminal history....

U.S. sent 238 migrants to Salvadoran mega-prison; documents indicate most have no apparent criminal records

The U.S. sent 238 Venezuelan migrants to a Salvadoran mega-prison. The Trump administration says they're all gang members, but 60 Minutes could find no criminal records for 75% of them.

www.cbsnews.com

MSN

ICE: Many Alleged Gang Members Deported Had No U.S. Criminal Records

Under Trump, many deported alleged gang members lacked U.S. criminal records, raising legal and ethical concerns about immigration enforcement practices.

www.visaverge.com

Trump Administration Knew Vast Majority of Venezuelans Sent to Salvadoran Prison Had Not Been Convicted of U.S. Crimes

Homeland Security records reveal that officials knew that more than half of the 238 deportees were labeled as having no criminal record in the U.S. and had only violated immigration laws.

www.propublica.org

Its pretty clear that ICE can not find these rapists, murderers, drug dealers, and thus are just rounding up hard working residents, targeting them at their jobs, day work centers, court appearances or immigration appointments, you know, things law abiding people do.

Yes, Trump has portrayed illegals a criminals, but the fact is, they commit crimes at a much, much lower rate than American citizens. He also promised to focus on the criminals, but they don't seem to actually exist. Deporting hardworking American residents is NOT what voters signed up for. The entire thing is a farce, hence the protests.

BTW, what is your favorite flavor of Trump Kool-aid?

 

[Fletch]

I’m speaking to the use of US military in what is obviously a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act and Trump’s warm up for use of Marshall Law.

Will this call for martial law be nationwide?

 

[Fletch]

The only thing the orange traitor does effectively is con gullible idiots

And get leftist to believe and say really, really stupid things.

 

[OlNate]

Unfortunately this the end result when local leaders reward bad behavior.

But do you think Trump's approach is effective here, or do you think it will cause more problems?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Please quote for me where in the 2ND is says "under state control", my copy must have missed that.

You could have just typed "I'm no longer for state's rights (that was always a lie) and I'm now for a massive CentGov that controls everything".

I've also noticed that all the "The 2nd is critical to protect us from a tyrannical government" assholes are suddenly quiet as a mouse.



A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[Fearandloathing]

A simple poll, to capture a moment in time.

The question is not whether it's good or bad, sane or insane, lawful or unlawful, only whether or not Trump's response to what's happening in LA right now is the most effective response.

My personal opinion is that this is not an effective response, but rather serves to reinforce the concerns around incompetent tyranny, and pretty much guarantees escalation. Furthermore, it gives his detractors more ammunition the further it escalates.

What do you guys think?

Yes!


That is if you're a Trump MAGA asshole and want all lefties in the grave.

In that case he's on the right track but needs to escalate.

He needs a funeral of a fallen to bring it all together after his birthday parade....

If I were J.D. Vance...................

 

[OlNate]

Only if they are protesting. If they are rioting, looting, throwing rocks, bricks etc. and ignoring LE's commands, destroying federal property, doxing ICE raid locations, I want them arrested, and prosecuted.

Ok, I think this is a fair statement, and one that I would agree with.

Mind if I ask you a follow up not included in the OP? Do you think that the outcome we're seeing in LA was inevitable, irrespective of the approach taken, or could a better approach be taken that would not have lead to violent protest? (Specifically violent protest, I think protest was inevitable no matter what path he took.)

 

[Fearandloathing]

But do you think Trump's approach is effective here, or do you think it will cause more problems?

"problems" or "success" is a matter of perspective and what your goal really is....................

 

[Fletch]

But do you think Trump's approach is effective here, or do you think it will cause more problems?

Yes it will be effective. Lots of illegal felons will be arrested and deported and lots of left wing agitators will be arrested and jailed. Thats a win-win for LA and America

 

[OlNate]

Yes!


That is if you're a Trump MAGA asshole and want all lefties in the grave.

In that case he's on the right track but needs to escalate.

He needs a funeral of a fallen to bring it all together after his birthday parade....

If I were J.D. Vance...................

hehe... so, I take it you do not think this is an effective means to simmer down the violent protest, then?

 

[OlNate]

Yes it will be effective. Lots of illegal felons will be arrested and deported and lots of left wing agitators will be arrested and jailed. Thats a win-win for LA and America

And you think it will stop there? That people in other cities will take note of what happened in LA, and simply stay home when it comes to their city?

 

[Fletch]

"problems" or "success" is a matter of perspective and what your goal really is....................

Correct. Those who want to protect illegal felons because...TRUUUUUMP!!! will fail and those who want safer streets will win. Sorry if you are (predictably) on the wrong side of this one.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Have you seen the records of the people Trump is rounding up? Rapists, murderers, drug dealers, human traffickers, all manner of criminals. I get it, you think it;s a GOOD thing that we have as many criminals on the street as we can manage and I understand that you want MORE of them here but your goal of destroying the nation from the inside out isn't really shared by everyone else and those other people, if we're going to have a free and fair nation, need to get their representation too.

Every population has bad people in it. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are just regular people who snuck across the border looking for a job. It's not more complicated than that. And the crime of improper entry is not a serious crime. It's most similar to trespassing, and the vast majority of illegal immigrants are never even prosecuted for the crime, they're just deported.

Let's go back to the point I was getting at. Do you honestly believe illegal immigrants are such a threat to our society that we are experience an actual "invasion" or "rebellion" requiring the deployment of the Guard or active duty military personnel? Do you believe the threat of illegal immigration is so terrible that it requires giving Trump vast emergency powers to deal with the problem?

 

[Bucky]

Every population has bad people in it. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are just regular people who snuck across the border looking for a job. It's not more complicated than that. And the crime of improper entry is not a serious crime. It's most similar to trespassing, and the vast majority of illegal immigrants are never even prosecuted for the crime, they're just deported.

Let's go back to the point I was getting at. Do you honestly believe illegal immigrants are such a threat to our society that we are experience an actual "invasion" or "rebellion" requiring the deployment of the Guard or active duty military personnel? Do you believe the threat of illegal immigration is so terrible that it requires giving Trump vast emergency powers to deal with the problem?

A lot of these violent people are paid to cause violence. Trump is doing everything possible to curb these dangerous actors.

 

[Kelby]

No. Trump's army has no business being in L.A. at all.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

A lot of these violent people are paid to cause violence. Trump is doing everything possible to curb these dangerous actors.

The people getting paid are like handing out water and snacks and trying to get people signed up for e-mail lists. Okay? It's not what you think it is. The vast majority of people who protest do it because they believe in the cause. You don't know what you're talking about. None of you do. You guys need turn off Fox News and hang out with your neighbors once in awhile. The protests aren't even that big relative to the size of the City. You guys need to chill out.

 

[Fletch]

And you think it will stop there? That people in other cities will take note of what happened in LA, and simply stay home when it comes to their city?

Yes and yes. This is nothing but left wing manufactured outrage and will fizzle out