Is trump about to lie us into another war like W did with his weapons of mass destruction claims?

[Questerr]

Their irrational pursuit of a nuclear weapon paints a fairly complete picture of exactly that.

How is their pursuit of a nuclear weapon “irrational”? They want deterrence against the US doing a “regime change” on them. That’s rational.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Their irrational pursuit of a nuclear weapon paints a fairly complete picture of exactly that.

Wildly, many military strategists find the pursuit of nuclear weapons to be quite rational, esp if the country is facing threats from nuclear powers

What a wacky crew of people those strategists are for thinking that arming yourself in response to threats is rational.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Saddam DID possess stockpiles of WMDs. He just hid them in the one place he knew Dubya would never look: the Baghdad Public Library.

Mark

.....and only you know!

 

[Jay59]

Of course they are, but they were decades old. The Bush administration tried making it appear like Hussein was building and stockpiling WMD and trying to build nuclear weapons. This is what we invaded over.

• 25,000 liters of anthrax
• 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin
• 500 tons of mustard, sarin and VX nerve gas.
• 30,000 missiles and short-range rockets
• reconstituting its nuclear weapons program

fyi, GWB's claim was not that there were some decades old munitions rotting in Iraq

He admitted to getting that wrong.

In 2002, no one believed that Saddam would divest, though he already had.

fwiw, anthrax is a disease not a WMD

Anthrax is both.

You can use anthrax to make a WMD. But a pile of anthrax spores is not a WMD. anthrax is indigenous to Africa, Americas, Asia, Australia, and Europe

True, false, true

I think you made my point.

 

[Bullseye]

Thankfully W took care of the weapons of mass destruction before Iraq had a chance to use them and, what, there were no weapons of mass destruction, but W and his cronies said there were?

And now we have Donald talking about war with Iran because they are so close to having a nuclear weapon, that's what he's saying.

And then we have the intelligence services, which trump knows more than anyone in any of the services about everything, saying Iran isn't even close to having a bomb. Since Donald says he operates on instinct and he says they are close, who do you believe? Trump or his intelligence operatives who were also wrong about putin and the 2016 election?

Who do you believe, trump or the intelligence services?

Trump says Iran is close to having a nuclear weapon but U.S. intelligence says otherwise​

Trump says Iran is close to having a nuclear weapon but U.S. intelligence says otherwise

NBC News White House Correspondent Vaughn Hillyard, Senior National Security Correspondent Courtney Kube and retired Lt. Gen. Steph Twitty join Meet the Press NOW to discuss the Intelligence Community’s assessment that Iran isn’t close to creating a nuclear weapon, despite President Trump saying...

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Where do you think Trump gets his information? Duh. Except his isn't filtered through a mesh of LW propaganda and partisanship.

 

[Fearandloathing]

It's because he didn’t have what we invaded over. And Hussein didn't get rid of his own weapons, which would have been stupid when he was about to be invaded. The problem was blamed on poor intelligence. Both with us and England.

The Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction

We conclude that the Intelligence Community was dead wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. This was a major intelligence failure.

Bush acted on what he WANTED to be true.

 

[bongsaway]

Where do you think Trump gets his information? Duh. Except his isn't filtered through a mesh of LW propaganda and partisanship.

Apparently not from his intelligence services who are telling him Iran is not close to getting a nuclear weapon, so you tell me, where does he get his info? Trump already told you himself, he gets it from his instincts.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

He admitted to getting that wrong.

Imho,
GWB's admission that he got it wrong also seems to undercut your assertion that GWB "was proven right"

ymmv

Is trump about to lie us into another war like W did with his weapons of mass destruction claims?

You should know that W was proven right, so why the pretense?

 

[bongsaway]

Imho,
GWB's admission that he got it wrong also seems to undercut your assertion that GWB "was proven right"

ymmv

Ooops caught trying to have it both ways.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Where do you think Trump gets his information?

Apparently NOT from daily Presidential briefings

Duh. Except his isn't filtered through a mesh of LW propaganda and partisanship.

When was the last time you looked for a published intelligence assessment from the USIC or the US military regarding Iran and the nuclear weapon capabilities?

 

[ClaraD]

Trump and the rest of the civilised world knows that Iran is very close to having nuclear weapons. And having them in the hands o primitive totalitarian theocrats woul be a danger to us all.

Knows? Where is your proof? If you have proof show it. If they were close it’s Trump’s fault

 

[joluoto]

Trump and the rest of the civilised world knows that Iran is very close to having nuclear weapons. And having them in the hands o primitive totalitarian theocrats woul be a danger to us all.

They have been that since 1995 though, days from the nuke. It's quite alot of days.

 

[Bullseye]

Apparently NOT from daily Presidential briefings

non sequitur

When was the last time you looked for a published intelligence assessment from the USIC or the US military regarding Iran and the nuclear weapon capabilities?

LOL, are you serious? You think we publish our most highly classified information and plans for public consumption? You're joking, right?

 

[Bullseye]

Apparently not from his intelligence services who are telling him Iran is not close to getting a nuclear weapon, so you tell me, where does he get his info? Trump already told you himself, he gets it from his instincts.

Doesn't matter any more, does it. We don't know WHAT his intelligence services tell him in private, so you're talking through your hat.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

non sequitur

Actually, the fact that Trump does NOT get his info from the USIC is exceptionally on point.

LOL, are you serious? You think we publish our most highly classified information and plans for public consumption? You're joking, right?

ROFLMAO

WHO TF SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "our most highly classified information"?


Pretending I said that our "our most highly classified information and plans" have been published
seems a deflated attempt to avoid realizing that you do not seek information from reliable sources.


There are eleventy gazillions of published documents from the USIC and the US military which are available for people who want information which is not "filtered through a mesh of LW propaganda and partisanship."

And, yes, none of the published documents are the "most highly classified information and plans" the US has.

 

[Bullseye]

Actually, the fact that Trump does NOT get his info from the USIC is exceptionally on point.




ROFLMAO

WHO TF SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "our most highly classified information"?


Pretending I said that our "our most highly classified information and plans" have been published
seems a deflated attempt to avoid realizing that you do not seek information from reliable sources.


There are eleventy gazillions of published documents from the USIC and the US military which are available for people who want information which is not "filtered through a mesh of LW propaganda and partisanship."

And, yes, none of the published documents are the "most highly classified information and plans" the US has.

Never mind, my point obviously went way over your head. Oh, and how many other documents are NOT published because of classified?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Never mind, my point obviously went way over your head. Oh, and how many other documents are NOT published because of classified?

When was the last time you looked for a published intelligence assessment from the USIC or the US military regarding Iran and the nuclear weapon capabilities?

 

[Bullseye]

When was the last time you looked for a published intelligence assessment from the USIC or the US military regarding Iran and the nuclear weapon capabilities?

Wouldn't do much good, my clearance expired when I retired. My accept would be severely limited.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Wouldn't do much good, my clearance expired when I retired. My accept would be severely limited.

There are eleventy gazillions of published documents from the USIC and the US military which are available for people who want information which is not "filtered through a mesh of LW propaganda and partisanship."

all you have to do is look for them

they are published on purpose

you do not need clearance to access them—only an internet connection

an informed electorate is good for national security after all


These are great resources for people who want to know things.



Feel free to ignore them in favor of information which is "filtered through a mesh of propaganda and partisanship." if you prefer.

 

[humbolt]

How is their pursuit of a nuclear weapon “irrational”? They want deterrence against the US doing a “regime change” on them. That’s rational.

It’s simple. No nukes equals no messing around with their internal politics. Really, this has been known for a long time. The Iranians are well aware. That was the point of Obama’s agreement, although the sunset clause was a fatal flaw.

 

[humbolt]

Wildly, many military strategists find the pursuit of nuclear weapons to be quite rational, esp if the country is facing threats from nuclear powers

What a wacky crew of people those strategists are for thinking that arming yourself in response to threats is rational.

That’s a general notion assuming rational leadership. Iran, by virtue of their leadership and their resulting actions, does not fit that general notion. At all. Who among nuclear armed nations subscribes to first use as policy?

 

[Hello My Son]

Thankfully W took care of the weapons of mass destruction before Iraq had a chance to use them and, what, there were no weapons of mass destruction, but W and his cronies said there were?

And now we have Donald talking about war with Iran because they are so close to having a nuclear weapon, that's what he's saying.

And then we have the intelligence services, which trump knows more than anyone in any of the services about everything, saying Iran isn't even close to having a bomb. Since Donald says he operates on instinct and he says they are close, who do you believe? Trump or his intelligence operatives who were also wrong about putin and the 2016 election?

Who do you believe, trump or the intelligence services?

Trump says Iran is close to having a nuclear weapon but U.S. intelligence says otherwise​

Trump says Iran is close to having a nuclear weapon but U.S. intelligence says otherwise

NBC News White House Correspondent Vaughn Hillyard, Senior National Security Correspondent Courtney Kube and retired Lt. Gen. Steph Twitty join Meet the Press NOW to discuss the Intelligence Community’s assessment that Iran isn’t close to creating a nuclear weapon, despite President Trump saying...

www.yahoo.com

While there were no nuclear WMDs in Iraq, there were many caches of chemical weapons discovered but initially covered up the the US government because they had moved on from Saddam and into the more general “War on Terror” nonsense. Many US soldiers were harmed by these weapons and couldn’t get proper treatment at the time because it wasn’t being acknowledged by the Bush and Obama administrations.

 

[Bullseye]

There are eleventy gazillions of published documents from the USIC and the US military which are available for people who want information which is not "filtered through a mesh of LW propaganda and partisanship."

all you have to do is look for them

they are published on purpose

you do not need clearance to access them—only an internet connection

an informed electorate is good for national security after all


These are great resources for people who want to know things.



Feel free to ignore them in favor of information which is "filtered through a mesh of propaganda and partisanship." if you prefer.

Never mind. I'm clearly talking at a level far above your grasp.

 

[Jagged]

He admitted to getting that wrong.

In 2002, no one believed that Saddam would divest, though he already had.


Anthrax is both.


True, false, true

I think you made my point.

Except Hussein didn't "divest." He didn't have those weapons because they were either destroyed by our cruise missiles or by U.N. inspectors. As yoy were shown, our intelligence was seriously flawed.

 

[Jagged]

Where do you think Trump gets his information? Duh. Except his isn't filtered through a mesh of LW propaganda and partisanship.

And yet just days earlier, our intelligence was saying there was no evidence Iran was building nuclear weapons.