Is trump about to lie us into another war like W did with his weapons of mass destruction claims?

[Jagged]

Evidence of the chemical weapons was eventually found, but it was years later.

Saddam disposed of the stockpile before the invasion.


Didn't exist yet.

The MSM discounted the story as too little, too late.




You state that as if the Republicans controlled the propaganda machine.

All the Right have is Fox, talk radio, and some blogs.

Who needed the MSM to discount the story when we had Bush himself do that?

"the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction." ~ George Bush, August 21, 2006

 

[Jay59]

Who needed the MSM to discount the story when we had Bush himself do that?

"the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction." ~ George Bush, August 21, 2006

Bush admits that the decision was made on outdated information.

Is there a point you are trying to make?

 

[bongsaway]

It's much better, but don't forget that this was discovered years later.

It also shreds your attempted point into confetti.

So that stuff was shut down in 91 but they didn't know it was shut down until 2023 and it took us invading Iraq to find out? The administration sure talked a good game to the american people convincing them the weapons did exist.

 

[bongsaway]

I have no murderous psychopaths.


It’s not my fault you lack the judgement to objectively evaluate this situation.

Here's my evaluation, this is not our problem. If Iran gets a nuke, who do you think they will use it against first, America or Israel? Do you honestly believe if Iran were to get a nuke they would attack America? If Iran uses a nuke, the world will respond with overwhelming force, not necessarily a nuclear response.

 

[bongsaway]

Bush admits that the decision was made on outdated information.

Is there a point you are trying to make?

Horseshit, he had intelligence telling him there were no weapons of mass destruction, he directed his people to find it. They told him there was no connection between Saddam and Bin Laden, he told them to find some. This to me sounds like a man with an agenda and no matter how many reports he got telling him this stuff didn't exist, he demanded they find it. Why do you guys keep defending such sad presidents. Did you forget the way W left america with a ton of debt and a crashed stock market. This is the kind of thing you folks just keep voting for and I don't understand it.

 

[Jagged]

Bush admits that the decision was made on outdated information.

Is there a point you are trying to make?

It was made on the fact that what was found in Iraq was not the reason we went in. We were told of active WMD programs and how Hussein was reconstituting his nuclear facilities. What we found were dusty, decades old weapons.

There's a reason Bush admitted we didn't find what we were looking for, and a reason for why he blamed intelligence agencies.

And the point, in case it sailed over your head, was that we were fooled into a war by the Bush administration. Comparable to Trump's rumblings about Iran, should he choose to involve us.

 

[Jay59]

Horseshit, he had intelligence telling him there were no weapons of mass destruction, he directed his people to find it.

The quotation you posted contradicts this.

They told him there was no connection between Saddam and Bin Laden, he told them to find some. This to me sounds like a man with an agenda and no matter how many reports he got telling him this stuff didn't exist, he demanded they find it. Why do you guys keep defending such sad presidents. Did you forget the way W left america with a ton of debt and a crashed stock market. This is the kind of thing you folks just keep voting for and I don't understand it.

It was made on the fact that what was found in Iraq was not the reason we went in. We were told of active WMD programs and how Hussein was reconstituting his nuclear facilities. What we found were dusty, decades old weapons.
There's a reason Bush admitted we didn't find what we were looking for, and a reason for why he blamed intelligence agencies.
And the point, in case it sailed over your head, was that we were fooled into a war by the Bush administration. Comparable to Trump's rumblings about Iran, should he choose to involve us.

This is a different conversation, and there is no supporting evidence thus far.

 

[humbolt]

Here's my evaluation, this is not our problem. If Iran gets a nuke, who do you think they will use it against first, America or Israel? Do you honestly believe if Iran were to get a nuke they would attack America? If Iran uses a nuke, the world will respond with overwhelming force, not necessarily a nuclear response.

I don’t share your faith in the world, and I don’t want to see what event might precipitate what you think the “world’s” response might be. So murder on a vast scale is okay with you as long as you’re left among the living. If that’s what constitutes “good” for you, I don’t think your definition of “good” cuts the mustard in any respect.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

You should know that W was proven right, so why the pretense?

About what specifically?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Evidence of the chemical weapons was eventually found, but it was years later.

iirc, we were told there were "stockpiles" of weapons ready to go

that is quite a bit different from what was found.

I am unable to see the two things as being the same.
ymmv

 

[Jay59]

iirc, we were told there were "stockpiles" of weapons ready to go that is quite a bit different from what was found.

The initial reports were materially outdated.

The stockpiles were destroyed or moved out of the country, and our intelligence did not pick up the change.

I am unable to see the two things as being the same. ymmv

That's the nature of intelligence failures.

 

[Jagged]

The quotation you posted contradicts this.



This is a different conversation, and there is no supporting evidence thus far.

No evidence? I quoted Bush saying it turned out Iraq didn't have the weapons.

 

[Jay59]

No evidence? I quoted Bush saying it turned out Iraq didn't have the weapons.

Read what you quoted again.

Bush did not say there were no chemical weapons. He stated that there were none at the time of the invasion

 

[Jagged]

The initial reports were materially outdated.

The stockpiles were destroyed or moved out of the country, and our intelligence did not pick up the change.


That's the nature of intelligence failures.

They were not moved out. That nonsense was debunked [edit: years decades ago.

Not to mention, why would Hussein get rid of weapons when we were about to invade?

 

[Jagged]

Reread what you quoted.

"the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction." ~ George Bush, August 21, 2006

 

[The Brad Dad]

Netanyahu is not a psychopath. Khamenei is.

They’re both psychopaths.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

The initial reports were materially outdated.

The initial story from the GWB Admin sensationalized what the USIC said.

In addition, the GWB Admin purposely released documents which were known to contain falsehoods.

The stockpiles were destroyed or moved out of the country, and our intelligence did not pick up the change.
That's the nature of intelligence failures.

What was there was so markedly different than what GWB claimed that there no reasonable way to claim that GWB was "proven right" as you asserted.

 

[humbolt]

They’re both psychopaths.

Nope. Netanyahu is a realist. Iran and its proxies are an existential threat to Israel. If given the chance, they will also be an existential threat to us here. All you need to understand it is to watch what they do.

 

[Jay59]

"the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction." ~ George Bush, August 21, 2006

Do I need to elaborate why this says that Saddam did not have WMD at that time?

The initial story from the GWB Admin sensationalized what the USIC said.

How so?

In addition, the GWB Admin purposely released documents which were known to contain falsehoods.

Document.

What was there was so markedly different than what GWB claimed that there no reasonable way to claim that GWB was "proven right" as you asserted.

Bush was right in that he believed Saddam had WMD.

That the weapons were gone does not invalidate the assessment.

 

[bongsaway]

I don’t share your faith in the world, and I don’t want to see what event might precipitate what you think the “world’s” response might be. So murder on a vast scale is okay with you as long as you’re left among the living. If that’s what constitutes “good” for you, I don’t think your definition of “good” cuts the mustard in any respect.

You have your opinion, I have mine.

 

[Fletch]

So that stuff was shut down in 91 but they didn't know it was shut down until 2023 and it took us invading Iraq to find out? The administration sure talked a good game to the american people convincing them the weapons did exist.

Bill Clinton thought they had WMD and launched hundreds of cruise missiles into suspected WMD sites throughout the 90's. Plus the wise and wonderful Hillary voted for the Iraq war on the basis of WMDs. But blame Bush. Its easier than following the facts.

 

[bongsaway]

Bill Clinton thought they had WMD and launched hundreds of cruise missiles into suspected WMD sites throughout the 90's. Plus the wise and wonderful Hillary voted for the Iraq war on the basis of WMDs. But blame Bush. Its easier than following the facts.

What facts? There were no wmd's regardless of what Clinton did or didn't do or Hillary did or didn't do. You can't change the basic fact that none were found and no connection between Saddam and bin laden existed either like bush and crew claimed. So what are your facts?

 

[H. E. Panqui]

You state that as if the Republicans controlled the propaganda machine.

All the Right have is Fox, talk radio, and some blogs.

I believe you'll find that the $ame plutocrat$ who control 'the propaganda machine' control the/?your stinking REPUBLICRATS.. [Republicans and Democrats] ..get knowledge..

 

[H. E. Panqui]

I can’t say I expected better.

I can't say your low-info warmongering comments deserve any better. ugh..

 

[markdc]

Thankfully W took care of the weapons of mass destruction before Iraq had a chance to use them and, what, there were no weapons of mass destruction, but W and his cronies said there were?

Saddam DID possess stockpiles of WMDs. He just hid them in the one place he knew Dubya would never look: the Baghdad Public Library.

Mark