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Is trump about to lie us into another war like W did with his weapons of mass destruction claims?

Simon W. Moon said:
Wildly, many military strategists find the pursuit of nuclear weapons to be quite rational, esp if the country is facing threats from nuclear powers

What a wacky crew of people those strategists are for thinking that arming yourself in response to threats is rational.
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Ime, many of these crazed neocon retards are the same 'pro-self defense' people who profess 'that an armed society is a polite society' yet they want to keep Iran unarmed.. [It's ok for IZrael to have a few hundred uninspected nukes though..]

You'd think the goddamned fools could make the leap but.... ugh..

And many of assholes blather about their love of 'Christianity' :poop:
 
humbolt said:
That’s a general notion assuming rational leadership. Iran, by virtue of their leadership and their resulting actions, does not fit that general notion. At all. Who among nuclear armed nations subscribes to first use as policy?
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we have gone from talking about the relative rationality of a strategy
to talking about the relative rationality of some particular humans


imho

a strategy is a separate and distinct thing from human beings
&
a strategy can be rational even though humans often behave irrationally

therefore even if you proved that some group of humans behaved irrationally, there would no effect on the rationality of a strategy

ymmv


If you want to paint Iran's leadership as undeterrable, you will need to use a different argument than declaring them irrational for wanting to arm their country against nuclear threats.





Trumpco intends to mean that Iran's leadership is undeterrable​
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'cause if Iran's leadership are deterrable people, then Trump's war is yet another unnecessary war in the Middle East​


That's the Iraq invasion playbook.

Even though Condoleezza Rice stated that the threat of "national obliteration" had effectively stayed Hussein in Iraq,
a short time later she had to start hawking the "Hussein is undeterrable" bullshit to justify the invasion.

If you are gonna try selling the same bill of goods, you should lead with your strong stuff first.
 
Bullseye said:
Never mind. I'm clearly talking at a level far above your grasp.
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are you?

it seems like you're having trouble understanding the concept of getting info about national security related matters from the USIC and the US military (who are tying to inform the electorate)



were you being cute and I missed it?
 
H. E. Panqui said:
Ime, many of these crazed neocon retards are the same 'pro-self defense' people who profess 'that an armed society is a polite society' yet they want to keep Iran unarmed.. [It's ok for IZrael to have a few hundred uninspected nukes though..]
You'd think the goddamned fools could make the leap but.... ugh..
And many of assholes blather about their love of 'Christianity' :poop:
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I am unsure of who exactly you are talking about.

The neocons have never seemed to respect Trump as competent.
So, I'm surprised if some of them are in favor of Trump potentially mucking up their great canvas.
 
humbolt said:
It’s simple. No nukes equals no messing around with their internal politics. Really, this has been known for a long time. The Iranians are well aware. That was the point of Obama’s agreement, although the sunset clause was a fatal flaw.
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Really? What nukes did Iran have when the US messed with their internal politics and overthrew their democratic government, imposing a brutal dictator on them?
 
Sandy Shanks said:
The Framers placed the President in command of America's military. They never imagined that Americans would be foolish enough to elect a man like Trump to the Presidency.
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Sandy Shanks said:
According to Trump's Director of National Intelligence (DNI), Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon and the Supreme Leader has not authorized the resumption of a weapons program. This assessment is consistent with past intelligence reports.

It is quite likely that Iran does not want a nuke. Iran's bitter enemy, Israel, has between 75 to 200 nukes. (Israel does not publicize her nuclear stockpile.)
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Sandy Shanks said:
NBC reports, "Several members of Congress in both parties Saturday questioned the legality of President Donald Trump’s move to launch military strikes on Iran.."

Like the loyal lapdogs they are, Republicans in Congress fell in line with Trump.
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Under Trump's leadership, the United States committed a war of aggression based on Trump's assumption of what Iran may do!

Trump assumed that Iran would make a nuclear bomb. "Iran was very close to having one,” Trump said.

Worse, he then assumed Iran would use the nuclear bomb.

That was not likely. Iran has had the capability to make a nuke for years, and she has not. Why? It is painfully obvious to everyone not named Trump. Iran's bitter enemy has between 75 to 200 nuclear weapons.

Iran didn't want to make herself a target. This simple concept flew right over Trump's head.

Several nations possess nuclear weapons, including Russia. Only one nation has ever used a nuclear weapon -- the United States.

Trump did not want to be confused with facts. So, he attacked Iran. Republicans in the Trump administration cheered the glorious leader. Trump is surrounded by admirers and the media is doing its part.

So, our country committed military aggression against a weakened foe, and the media is glorifying the event by giving its listeners every gritty detail!
 
Simon W. Moon said:
are you?

it seems like you're having trouble understanding the concept of getting info about national security related matters from the USIC and the US military (who are tying to inform the electorate)



were you being cute and I missed it?
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No, you're being silly. Some information is so highly classified that it is NEVER released to USIC or any other publicly availed sites.
 
Bullseye said:
No, you're being silly. Some information is so highly classified that it is NEVER released to USIC or any other publicly availed sites.
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What do you think that has to do with accessing publications of the USIC and the US military?

Are you simply unaware that there are numerous public facing websites from members of the USIC and the US military that publish information for civilians?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
What do you think that has to do with accessing publications of the USIC and the US military?

Are you simply unaware that there are numerous public facing websites from members of the USIC and the US military that publish information for civilians?
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I'm fully aware of that fact. BUT I am also aware that there are thousands of documents that are NOT publicly available through any source. Nor like will ever be made public.
 
Bullseye said:
I'm fully aware of that fact. BUT I am also aware that there are thousands of documents that are NOT publicly available through any source. Nor like will ever be made public.
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'k.

Did someone say otherwise?
Or are you just offering up random facts.


When was the last time you looked for information from the USIC or the US military regarding Iran and the nuclear weapon capabilities?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
'k.

Did someone say otherwise?
Or are you just offering up random facts.
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Are you following the discussion?
Simon W. Moon said:
When was the last time you looked for information from the USIC or the US military regarding Iran and the nuclear weapon capabilities?
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What's there doesn't proof there is more which is restricted. It's absolutely idiotic to claim every item of information concerning military capabilities, plans and employment would be open to all.
 
Bullseye said:
What's there doesn't proof there is more which is restricted. It's absolutely idiotic to claim every item of information concerning military capabilities, plans and employment would be open to all.
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Is the person who claimed
"every item of information concerning military capabilities, plans and employment would be open to all"​
in the thread with us now?


Is the person who claimed
"every item of information concerning military capabilities, plans and employment would be open to all"​
you?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Is the person who claimed
"every item of information concerning military capabilities, plans and employment would be open to all"​
in the thread with us now?


Is the person who claimed
"every item of information concerning military capabilities, plans and employment would be open to all"​
you?
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WTF are you talking about?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Why are you inventing off the wall straw man claims like "every item of information concerning military capabilities, plans and employment would be open to all"?
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I'm not

From #137.
It's absolutely idiotic to claim every item of information concerning military capabilities, plans and employment would be open to all.
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Jay59 said:
You should know that W was proven right, so why the pretense?


Saddam, not Bush.

Get the facts correct.


Correctly.


There is good reason to believe he's correct in this as well.


How were they wrong about the 2016 election?


Let us know when you figure out what they are saying.

Until now, you have compared apples to appliances.
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As much as I don’t blame Bush.. he wasn’t right.
 
ClaraD said:
As much as I don’t blame Bush.. he wasn’t right.
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The GWB Admin invented and hyped the narrative that Hussein was undeterrable and that an attack from Hussein could be coming any minute.

USIC assessment was that Iraq was unlikely to attack the US in the foreseeable future.

The GWB Admin purposely and repeatedly spread discredited bits of intel that supported the idea that Hussein was in cahoots with al Queda.

When presented with a range of possible explanations, the GWB Admin promoted worst case scenarios w/o regard to the likelihood that the scenario was true.
iow, if the assessment said something like "may have up to X amount" the GWB Admin would tell the public "has X amount"
 
bongsaway said:
Thankfully W took care of the weapons of mass destruction before Iraq had a chance to use them and, what, there were no weapons of mass destruction, but W and his cronies said there were?

And now we have Donald talking about war with Iran because they are so close to having a nuclear weapon, that's what he's saying.

And then we have the intelligence services, which trump knows more than anyone in any of the services about everything, saying Iran isn't even close to having a bomb. Since Donald says he operates on instinct and he says they are close, who do you believe? Trump or his intelligence operatives who were also wrong about putin and the 2016 election?

Who do you believe, trump or the intelligence services?

Trump says Iran is close to having a nuclear weapon but U.S. intelligence says otherwise​


www.yahoo.com

Trump says Iran is close to having a nuclear weapon but U.S. intelligence says otherwise

NBC News White House Correspondent Vaughn Hillyard, Senior National Security Correspondent Courtney Kube and retired Lt. Gen. Steph Twitty join Meet the Press NOW to discuss the Intelligence Community’s assessment that Iran isn’t close to creating a nuclear weapon, despite President Trump saying...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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Manufacturing consent and narrative control.

Dehumanize group and claim they are the boogeyman. Repeat over and over and over.

Then claim they must be destroyed.
 
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