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Is this where it's all headed?

coldjoint said:
Conservatives think Islam is responsible for those out of the 1,500,000,000 that commit these attacks and undermine freedom.
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Nope, sorry, it's still just lazy bigotry. Muslims are the only group of people you think are fungible and accountable for each other's acts.

Doesn't matter whether we talk about religion, ethnicity, sex, etc. They're the only group you attack over the actions of a few. (You probably even tell yourselves that doing this is taking a brave stand against PC culture; it's actually just lazy bigotry, which is another word apparently taken as a badge of honor amongst some on the right.... )
 
Mr Person said:
Nope, sorry, it's still just lazy bigotry. Muslims are the only group of people you think are fungible and accountable for each other's acts.

Doesn't matter whether we talk about religion, ethnicity, sex, etc. They're the only group you attack over the actions of a few. (You probably even tell yourselves that doing this is taking a brave stand against PC culture; it's actually just lazy bigotry, which is another word apparently taken as a badge of honor amongst some on the right.... )
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You are not listening, I am saying Islam is responsible for terrorists, which are Muslim. Actually, there is no bigotry involved. Because bigotry is based on baseless fantasies, like superiority(a biggie in Islam), here there are many reasons for caution.

 
coldjoint said:
~ That is not what conservatives think. Conservatives think Islam is responsible ~
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It's as bad broadbrushing all muslims as it is broadbrushing all conservatives with what you think we think. Being a Conservative never meant (to me) condemning a whole population group of hundreds of millions on the actions of tens of thousands.
 
coldjoint said:
The point is ......., isn't nice to know? Better?
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Is what nice to know, that someone can look at another person and make unqualified judgments? Nope, we already that some feel qualified to make such nonsensical assumptions.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
It's as bad broadbrushing all muslims as it is broadbrushing all conservatives with what you think we think. Being a Conservative never meant (to me) condemning a whole population group of hundreds of millions on the actions of tens of thousands.
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When did I condemn anyone? I said Islam is the cause and Muslims are the tools. And, again, it is many more than tens of thousands, it is tens of millions.
 
Casper said:
Is what nice to know, that someone can look at another person and make unqualified judgments? Nope, we already that some feel qualified to make such nonsensical assumptions.
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Exactly what is unqualified, given the situation? I have every reason to be suspect of Islam and its followers.

I think you meant "we already know that"

 
coldjoint said:
Exactly what is unqualified, given the situation? I have every reason to be suspect of Islam and its followers.

I think you meant "we already know that"
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There are 1.6 billion Practitioners of the Islamic faith, how many do you believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, to be supportive of what Daesh inflicts upon the world?
 
coldjoint said:
~ When did I condemn anyone? I said Islam is the cause and Muslims are the tools.
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No, you said "Conservatives think Islam is responsible" so you're either not a conservative or you're backtracking.

coldjoint said:
~ And, again, it is many more than tens of thousands, it is tens of millions.
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This is going to be like the rape epidemic you were posting about on the Europe forum?
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Highly inappropriate and not at all the product of our times.
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Mr Person said:
It's just as much a product of our times as all the threads started by conservatives on DP that presume that all 1,500,000,000 muslims around the world are personally responsible for muslim terrorism (equally, the lack of threads holding white people accountable for each other's acts, etc)
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coldjoint said:
That is not what conservatives think. Conservatives think Islam is responsible for those out of the 1,500,000,000 that commit these attacks and undermine freedom. That is what Muslims have in common. Random white people are neither from the same religion or ideology. Again, a poor apology.
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Mr Person said:
Nope, sorry, it's still just lazy bigotry. Muslims are the only group of people you think are fungible and accountable for each other's acts.

Doesn't matter whether we talk about religion, ethnicity, sex, etc. They're the only group you attack over the actions of a few. (You probably even tell yourselves that doing this is taking a brave stand against PC culture; it's actually just lazy bigotry, which is another word apparently taken as a badge of honor amongst some on the right.... )
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coldjoint said:
You are not listening, I am saying Islam is responsible for terrorists, which are Muslim. Actually, there is no bigotry involved. Because bigotry is based on baseless fantasies, like superiority(a biggie in Islam), here there are many reasons for caution.
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If you follow the conversation in chronological order, you will see that I was talking to someone else; in doing so, I referred to what I see conservatives saying here on DP. You jumped in to tell me that conservatives aren't actually saying what I've seen them say here on DP.

If anyone isn't paying attention, it's you.

(I'm also not sure why you think there is some kind of substantive difference between holding all muslims accountable for the acts of a tiny fraction of the worldwide population of muslims, and saying that you "blame Islam" instead. Muslims are...wait for it....Islamic. If you blame their religion, you blame all of them. So you really don't disagree with me about what conservatives have been saying....it's just that you agree with it but couldn't actually articulate a defense of what they're saying).
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
There are 1.6 billion Practitioners of the Islamic faith, how many do you believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, to be supportive of what Daesh inflicts upon the world?
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What does it matter to you? You won't belive until it is in your front yard.
 
Mr Person said:
If you follow the conversation in chronological order, you will see that I was talking to someone else; in doing so, I referred to what I see conservatives saying here on DP. You jumped in to tell me that conservatives aren't actually saying what I've seen them say here on DP.

If anyone isn't paying attention, it's you.

(I'm also not sure why you think there is some kind of substantive difference between holding all muslims accountable for the acts of a tiny fraction of the worldwide population of muslims, and saying that you "blame Islam" instead. Muslims are...wait for it....Islamic. If you blame their religion, you blame all of them. So you really don't disagree with me about what conservatives have been saying....it's just that you agree with it but couldn't actually articulate a defense of what they're saying).
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Let's just handle the lie that makes everyone feel better. Al Hirsi says the majority of Muslims favor world domination. She lived there.

And they are not to particular how it is accomplished. You do not seem to be aware to the superiority the majority of Muslims feel.
 
Even students who say stuff like that get in trouble at my kids school. That a teacher would say it...wow, what a loon. Although if it turned out he took apart a radio to make it look like a bomb, I reverse that!

75% of this is about common courtesy. So you have racial/religious stereotypes...OK, I get that. But do you bully anyone you see because of that? What sense would that make? Although didn't Trump make fun of that handicapped person?
 
Mach said:
Even students who say stuff like that get in trouble at my kids school. That a teacher would say it...wow, what a loon. Although if it turned out he took apart a radio to make it look like a bomb, I reverse that!

75% of this is about common courtesy. So you have racial/religious stereotypes...OK, I get that. But do you bully anyone you see because of that? What sense would that make? Although didn't Trump make fun of that handicapped person?
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You seem to forget none of the courtesies are afforded anyone who feels the way I do. I should say for very good reasons which have more to do with accepting that this problem is not going away than they do with race or stereotypes.(I know many of you love those comfort words). And I am not alone. Trump has 0 to do with this.
 
Grand Mal said:
If this is all there is to the story, the teacher needs to be hustled out the door and barred from teaching.
My opinion.
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The Happiest Days of Our Lives........

When we grew up and went to school
There were certain teachers who would
Hurt the children in any way they could
By pouring their derision
Upon anything we did
And exposing every weakness
However carefully hidden by the kids.

But in the town, it was well known
When they got home at night, their fat and
Psychopathic wives would thrash them
Within inches of their lives. <snip>
 
coldjoint said:
You seem to forget none of the courtesies are afforded anyone who feels the way I do. I should say for very good reasons which have more to do with accepting that this problem is not going away than they do with race or stereotypes.(I know many of you love those comfort words). And I am not alone. Trump has 0 to do with this.
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That's false. It's only if you BEHAVE that way, do you get called a bully. If you feel that way, its fine.
If you call a kid a terrorist because of his name/religion, your behavior is bad...
 
Mach said:
That's false. It's only if you BEHAVE that way, do you get called a bully. If you feel that way, its fine.
If you call a kid a terrorist because of his name/religion, your behavior is bad...
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Time out?
 
Mr Person said:
It's just as much a product of our times as all the threads started by conservatives on DP that presume that all 1,500,000,000 muslims around the world are personally responsible for muslim terrorism (equally, the lack of threads holding white people accountable for each other's acts, etc)
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While I'll agree with you all kinds of nasty prejudices continue to exist and the current punching bag are Muslims, anti-bullying laws and zero tolerance rules in many schools produce a very different environment in the classroom. This goes for both staff and students. Not only can a teacher be stripped of their license, they can be charged with a hate crime.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
while i'll agree with you all kinds of nasty prejudices continue to exist and the current punching bag are muslims, anti-bullying laws and zero tolerance rules in many schools produce a very different environment in the classroom. This goes for both staff and students. Not only can a teacher be stripped of their license, they can be charged with a hate crime.
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oh no!!!!:damn
 
Islam is to terrorism as Judaism is to the Great Depression.
I guess the IRA never existed in most closet Islamophobes' realities.
 
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