Is this the Christian way to deal with a gay child?

[RabidAlpaca]

Thomas Jefferson wrote a law banning sodomy that called for castration as punishment, would you say that he hated liberty?

In that area, yes, he did, but it's not without cultural context. In the 18th century it was also legal to own human beings and the concept of sexual orientation hadn't really been established. The point is, people like Paleocon belong in the 18th century. We have since grown as a society to recognize that you can't own people, nor should the government be involved in the sex lives of citizens.

He really didn't think that one through very well.

I think it's such classic Paleocon that now he's like "What? Where did I ever say I wanted the government in our bedrooms?". He's a troll and he does this on purpose.

 

[Paleocon]

You said you wanted sodomy to be illegal did you not?

Yes.

I'm also curious how you would implement this sodomy ban. Would you have government officials monitor all sexual activities in private homes? You could even form a special unit for handling such matters, they could wear brown shirts so everyone knows they're authoritative.

You really hate freedom, don't you?

It would be implemented the same way as existing bans on private sexual conduct.

 

[Ceist]

Yes.



It would be implemented the same way as existing bans on private sexual conduct.

How???

 

[roguenuke]

Yes.

It would be implemented the same way as existing bans on private sexual conduct.

You do realize that there are only a few general bans on private sexual conduct in the US right? And they generally involve things that are uncommon (unlike consensual sodomy, which is very common, since a vast majority of the US population does it), and usually those things that are banned have a victim. Rape, illegal, more rare than sodomy by a lot, and there is a victim. Enforced due to reporting. Sex with children/minors, rare and there is a victim in most cases. Enforce through reporting by someone usually close to the victim or someone catches someone. Sex with animals, very rare (compared to the US population) and there could be said to be a victim, the animal, since it could be considered animal cruelty. Usually the person is an idiot and gets hurt, and this is how it is enforced, but also could just be turned in or caught. Prostitution people get caught, normally before the sexual act occurs (but this shouldn't be illegal, only regulated). Incest is rare, and there might be a victim, if it is a child or one of them was "groomed". This one is hard to enforce unless they do something to bring attention to themselves if it is consenting adults. Adultery, only on the books in a couple of states and hasn't been enforced (except in the military, and generally this is because someone turned them in) since at least 2003. Enforcement is generally only done on this when someone who is harmed, a spouse, turns the person in.

Now, most of these require someone else turning someone in, and generally it is because they view someone as a victim, or it is self-reported because they are a victim. A few of them are caught because they are doing the act in public, or at least the transaction, or because they seek government help or benefits which expose the secret (incest). This would not work well with laws against sodomy, which is one of the reasons they were struck down. The Court knew that everyone was doing it yet enforcement was focused only on a certain group of people. This targeted enforcement is unconstitutional and it simply would be a nightmare to try to enforce sodomy laws against everyone. Not to mention, the minute heterosexuals realized that sodomy laws would enforced on their private affairs as well, they would simply vote them down. Most people simply don't realize that sodomy includes any anal or oral sex, even when it is opposite sex couples.

 

[Gathomas88]

1) I do not support violence towards children of any age at any time. Even with with your parameters is teaches children that violence is a reasonable way to handle one's emotions or to deal with an issue. It isn't. It also teaches fear rather than respect, something that causes a decided lack of communication with most kids moving forward.

Well, that is certainly your opinion on the matter.

Frankly, however, I disagree. There is a time and a place for violence just as is there is anything else in this world.

This is a reality children should learn sooner, rather than later.

 

[TobyOne]

It would be easier to catch the catchers rather than the pitchers probably.

I'm also curious how you would implement this sodomy ban. Would you have government officials monitor all sexual activities in private homes? You could even form a special unit for handling such matters, they could wear brown shirts so everyone knows they're authoritative.

You really hate freedom, don't you?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Well, that is certainly your opinion on the matter.

Frankly, however, I disagree. There is a time and a place for violence just as is there is anything else in this world.

This is a reality children should learn sooner, rather than later.

Not from their parents.

 

[Jerry]

How???

Something has to happen after-the-fact to rais alarm and cause an investigation. Its not like a moving violation where the cops catch you in the act. If a hospital has reason to believe a baby with certing defects is the product of sibling parents, for ecample.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I don't care. Not my kid. I don't judge gays and I don't judge parents. My advice to the kid is to worry about himself and not be a douche.

Irony alert… You just judged him. Everyone judges everyone.

 

[NoC_T]

What is the "Word of God" worth if this is how people act? Obviously this is not meant to be a commentary on some or even most Christians, but this somehow does not seem like a What Would Jesus Do moment.

Full story...

WATCH: Family Has Horrifying, Violent Reaction To Son's Coming Out As Gay (GRAPHIC CONTENT)

Good thing it has nothing to do with God, eh?

Phew!

 

[TobyOne]

I didn't judge him for being gay, I judged him for being a douche. Equal rights for gays.

Irony alert… You just judged him. Everyone judges everyone.

 

[chromium]

To the contrary, he was berating them. He was struck not because of his orientation, but his attitude.

BS, the dad was yelling "you're a queer and disgrace" as it all happened.

Only thing stunning about this to me, because sadly such trailer trash bigots who disown their kid is common, is how she can at the start admit she knew he was gay as a young kid *then* it all falls apart. How can she know this from his mannerisms at the whopping age of 4 or whatever, yet argue so vehemently that he was making some hugely unforgivable choice and needs to hit the street.

I know, religion is the answer and she even says "god wouldn't make someone that way." So there you go, religion causes another broken family.

 

[Gathomas88]

BS, the dad was yelling "you're a queer and disgrace" as it all happened.

After the son spent several minutes provoking his elderly grandmother into a rage, and then started wrestling with, and probably struck her, yes.

Before that point, he had been silent.

Only thing stunning about this to me, because sadly such trailer trash bigots who disown their kid is common, is how she can at the start admit she knew he was gay as a young kid *then* it all falls apart. How can she know this from his mannerisms at the whopping age of 4 or whatever, yet argue so vehemently that he was making some hugely unforgivable choice and needs to hit the street.

I know, religion is the answer and she even says "god wouldn't make someone that way." So there you go, religion causes another broken family.

I don't think anyone here is denying that her position makes little sense.

 

[chromium]

The bit where the mother got antagonised was when the kid threatened to sever contact with his parents because they were kicking him out.

lol why should he not do so? That is the ultimate rejection, to be thrown out because of something you have no control over. Everyone wants to be accepted by parents. For various reasons, doesn't always happen, but the way the dad reacted especially, i would never speak to them again for my own sanity.

"Hey yeah, i knew you were left handed as a kid, but god would never make anyone that way GTFO now! Useless leftie disgrace"

See the absurdity and cruelty of that? Never mind his age or the slap (i think some here are overreacting to that), to say that to your kid, they should be sterilized

 

[chromium]

No, but it is an effective means of compelling someone to cease their own disrespectful behavior towards you.

Yeah i should beat the **** out of my christian grandma to compel her to show me some respect.

Or i can just take the high ground, walk away and stay clear of such stupidity, not giving a damn whether simpletons respect me or not.

 

[Gathomas88]

Yeah i should beat the **** out of my christian grandma to compel her to show me some respect.

Or i can just take the high ground, walk away and stay clear of such stupidity, not giving a damn whether simpletons respect me or not.

Which is exactly what he should have done, rather than deliberately trying to provoke his family into anger so he could post it on the internet.

They didn't instigate the confrontation. He did.

 

[spud_meister]

lol why should he not do so? That is the ultimate rejection, to be thrown out because of something you have no control over. Everyone wants to be accepted by parents. For various reasons, doesn't always happen, but the way the dad reacted especially, i would never speak to them again for my own sanity.

"Hey yeah, i knew you were left handed as a kid, but god would never make anyone that way GTFO now! Useless leftie disgrace"

See the absurdity and cruelty of that? Never mind his age or the slap (i think some here are overreacting to that), to say that to your kid, they should be sterilized

The only reason the kid said that was to get a reaction from his mother. He handled the situation like a bitch. He doesn't get a pass on the confrontation in the video because he instigated it.

 

[chromium]

3) And I agree. Video taping the parents reaction was, to me, calculated and baiting. Throwing him out was within reason. Heck, I would have infracted him.

They gave him an ultimatum to leave cause he was gay, before the video ever surfaced (how is it baiting? Doesn't seem to me they knew they were being taped so it couldn't influence their response). As for why he did it, who knows, but how they were gathered seems like the typical "intervention." Probably it's not the first argument. If so, he knew this was gonna happen.

I would want proof that what happened was not my fault, as people tend to lie to save face. "Oh, he started throwing things, had a total meltdown, no, we never hit him." Now he can prove to whoever, maybe even just his bf, yeah he was thrown out for being gay, he can't ever go back and needs a place to stay. "No, you're not going over for dinner to meet them and there's a damn good reason see." Really there's many reasons to tape it.

I don't particularly like how the "20 year old kid" handled it, shoulda just walked away, but the so called adults said some truly hateful things

 

[chromium]

The only reason the kid said that was to get a reaction from his mother. He handled the situation like a bitch. He doesn't get a pass on the confrontation in the video because he instigated it.

He warned her just as she had warned him, except there is nothing he can do about his sexuality, whereas she can get a clue. He told he was through with her if she's going to treat him like that, and while i would have just walked away, it changes nothing. He still won't go near her again unless she stops this madness. Now she knows that, big deal.

 

[CLAX1911]

Which is exactly what he should have done, rather than deliberately trying to provoke his family into anger so he could post it on the internet.

They didn't instigate the confrontation. He did.

So their hands are clean even though they chose to be provoked? Are they just naturally backward? They Could have just said "that's nice" but they chose to react. They are supposed to be older and wiser and slow to anger. They acted in a terribly non Christian manner.

 

[TobyOne]

Christians aren't compelled by doctrine or scripture to say "thats nice" when they confront sin. Certainly the grandmother who bitch slapped him was acting unchristian but the Mom sounded very christian.

So their hands are clean even though they chose to be provoked? Are they just naturally backward? They Could have just said "that's nice" but they chose to react. They are supposed to be older and wiser and slow to anger. They acted in a terribly non Christian manner.

 

[CLAX1911]

Christians aren't compelled by doctrine or scripture to say "thats nice" when they confront sin.

They didn't confront any sin.

Certainly the grandmother who bitch slapped him was acting unchristian but the Mom sounded very christian.

that is the problem with Christianity.

 

[TobyOne]

The theology of Christianity is sound and the doctrine is consistent. Thats about all you can ask for in a religion. People, as always, are unsound, inconsistent and hypercritical. Not much you can do about it.

They didn't confront any sin. that is the problem with Christianity.

 

[CLAX1911]

The theology of Christianity is sound and the doctrine is consistent. Thats about all you can ask for in a religion. People, as always, are unsound, inconsistent and hypercritical. Not much you can do about it.

Except call a spade a spade. And not dress up this crapin righteousness for political reasons.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Which is exactly what he should have done, rather than deliberately trying to provoke his family into anger so he could post it on the internet.

They didn't instigate the confrontation. He did.

And guess what. It cuts both ways. THEY could have taken the high road and not escalated the confrontation and not turned things violent. They may not have instigated the confrontation, but without their responses, it wouldn't have had any teeth.