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Is there such as thing as Doomsday?

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Centuries ago the Mayans marked Dec. 21, 2012, as the end of civilization as we know it.

Since then, the date has been feared, anticipated and laughed at as the end of mankind as we know it.

Has the time come?

Is there such a thing as doomsday?
 
Not because of the Mayans.

They just ran out of stone and said "Ah, **** it, 2012 is a long enough calender."

:mrgreen:
 

Barring some enormous meteorite ending civilization as we know it, or World War III with nukes (Dr. Strangelove style), I think this will probably be the event to mark the end of mankind on Earth, even if the Earth itself survives. Personally, I believe that some of us will probably be able to leave Earth by then (5 billion years is a long time), but barring some really strict birth control measures, it's possible if not probable that many won't be able to escape.
 
Centuries ago the Mayans marked Dec. 21, 2012, as the end of civilization as we know it.

Since then, the date has been feared, anticipated and laughed at as the end of mankind as we know it.

Has the time come?

Is there such a thing as doomsday?

We'll find out in about 34 days. My money is on this being a bunch of crap, just like every other doomsday prediction gone by.
 
Not because of the Mayans.

They just ran out of stone and said "Ah, **** it, 2012 is a long enough calender."

:mrgreen:

Laugh :-p. Not quite, but most scholars agree that the end of the world was not what the Mayans had in mind. From wikipedia's entry on 2012:

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Apocalypse

There is a strong tradition of "world ages" in Mayan literature, but the record has been distorted, leaving several possibilities open to interpretation.[17] According to the Popol Vuh, a compilation of the creation accounts of the K'iche' Maya of the Colonial-era highlands, we are living in the fourth world.[18] The Popol Vuh describes the gods first creating three failed worlds, followed by a successful fourth world in which humanity was placed. In the Maya Long Count, the previous world ended after 13 b'ak'tuns, or roughly 5,125 years.[19][Note a] The Long Count's "zero date"[Note b] was set at a point in the past marking the end of the third world and the beginning of the current one, which corresponds to 11 August 3114 BC in the proleptic Gregorian calendar.[20] This means that the fourth world will also have reached the end of its 13th b'ak'tun, or Mayan date 13.0.0.0.0, on 21 December 2012.[1][Note c] In 1957, Mayanist and astronomer Maud Worcester Makemson wrote that "the completion of a Great Period of 13 b'ak'tuns would have been of the utmost significance to the Maya".[21] In 1966, Michael D. Coe wrote in The Maya that "there is a suggestion that Armageddon would overtake the degenerate peoples of the world and all creation on the final day of the 13th [b'ak'tun]. Thus our present universe [would] be annihilated [in December 2012][Note d] when the Great Cycle of the Long Count reaches completion."[22]

Objections

Coe's interpretation was repeated by other scholars through the early 1990s.[23] In contrast, later researchers said that, while the end of the 13th b'ak'tun would perhaps be a cause for celebration,[3] it did not mark the end of the calendar.[24] "There is nothing in the Maya or Aztec or ancient Mesoamerican prophecy to suggest that they prophesied a sudden or major change of any sort in 2012", said Mayanist scholar Mark Van Stone. "The notion of a 'Great Cycle' coming to an end is completely a modern invention."[25] In 1990, Mayanist scholars Linda Schele and David Freidel argued that the Maya "did not conceive this to be the end of creation, as many have suggested".[26] Susan Milbrath, curator of Latin American Art and Archaeology at the Florida Museum of Natural History, stated that, "We have no record or knowledge that [the Maya] would think the world would come to an end" in 2012.[3] Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies, said, "For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle", and, "The 2012 phenomenon is a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in".[3] "There will be another cycle", said E. Wyllys Andrews V, director of the Tulane University Middle American Research Institute. "We know the Maya thought there was one before this, and that implies they were comfortable with the idea of another one after this."[27] Commenting on the new calendar found at Xultun, one archaeologist said "The ancient Maya predicted the world would continue – that 7,000 years from now, things would be exactly like this. We keep looking for endings. The Maya were looking for a guarantee that nothing would change. It's an entirely different mindset."[28]

Several prominent individuals representing Maya of Guatemala decried the suggestion that the world ends on b'ak'tun 13. Ricardo Cajas, president of the Colectivo de Organizaciones Indígenas de Guatemala, said the date did not represent an end of humanity but that the new cycle, "supposes changes in human consciousness". Martín Sacalxot of Procurador de los Derechos Humanos (Guatemala's Human Rights Ombudsman, PDH) said that the end of the calendar has nothing to do with the end of the world or the year 2012.[29]
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Laugh :-p. Not quite, but most scholars agree that the end of the world was not what the Mayans had in mind. From wikipedia's entry on 2012:

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Apocalypse

There is a strong tradition of "world ages" in Mayan literature, but the record has been distorted, leaving several possibilities open to interpretation.[17] According to the Popol Vuh, a compilation of the creation accounts of the K'iche' Maya of the Colonial-era highlands, we are living in the fourth world.[18] The Popol Vuh describes the gods first creating three failed worlds, followed by a successful fourth world in which humanity was placed. In the Maya Long Count, the previous world ended after 13 b'ak'tuns, or roughly 5,125 years.[19][Note a] The Long Count's "zero date"[Note b] was set at a point in the past marking the end of the third world and the beginning of the current one, which corresponds to 11 August 3114 BC in the proleptic Gregorian calendar.[20] This means that the fourth world will also have reached the end of its 13th b'ak'tun, or Mayan date 13.0.0.0.0, on 21 December 2012.[1][Note c] In 1957, Mayanist and astronomer Maud Worcester Makemson wrote that "the completion of a Great Period of 13 b'ak'tuns would have been of the utmost significance to the Maya".[21] In 1966, Michael D. Coe wrote in The Maya that "there is a suggestion that Armageddon would overtake the degenerate peoples of the world and all creation on the final day of the 13th [b'ak'tun]. Thus our present universe [would] be annihilated [in December 2012][Note d] when the Great Cycle of the Long Count reaches completion."[22]

Objections

Coe's interpretation was repeated by other scholars through the early 1990s.[23] In contrast, later researchers said that, while the end of the 13th b'ak'tun would perhaps be a cause for celebration,[3] it did not mark the end of the calendar.[24] "There is nothing in the Maya or Aztec or ancient Mesoamerican prophecy to suggest that they prophesied a sudden or major change of any sort in 2012", said Mayanist scholar Mark Van Stone. "The notion of a 'Great Cycle' coming to an end is completely a modern invention."[25] In 1990, Mayanist scholars Linda Schele and David Freidel argued that the Maya "did not conceive this to be the end of creation, as many have suggested".[26] Susan Milbrath, curator of Latin American Art and Archaeology at the Florida Museum of Natural History, stated that, "We have no record or knowledge that [the Maya] would think the world would come to an end" in 2012.[3] Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies, said, "For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle", and, "The 2012 phenomenon is a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in".[3] "There will be another cycle", said E. Wyllys Andrews V, director of the Tulane University Middle American Research Institute. "We know the Maya thought there was one before this, and that implies they were comfortable with the idea of another one after this."[27] Commenting on the new calendar found at Xultun, one archaeologist said "The ancient Maya predicted the world would continue – that 7,000 years from now, things would be exactly like this. We keep looking for endings. The Maya were looking for a guarantee that nothing would change. It's an entirely different mindset."[28]

Several prominent individuals representing Maya of Guatemala decried the suggestion that the world ends on b'ak'tun 13. Ricardo Cajas, president of the Colectivo de Organizaciones Indígenas de Guatemala, said the date did not represent an end of humanity but that the new cycle, "supposes changes in human consciousness". Martín Sacalxot of Procurador de los Derechos Humanos (Guatemala's Human Rights Ombudsman, PDH) said that the end of the calendar has nothing to do with the end of the world or the year 2012.[29]
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Yup, that too. I looked this stuff up when people first started talking about it.

Mainly though... WHY does anyone believe the Mayans had some kind of special insight no one else does?

Sure, they were relatively advanced for a Stone Age culture... but they WERE a Stone Age culture. When our ancestors were sailing across the oceans in great ships, navigating by the stars, and using guns and cannon and sextants and inventing advanced mathmatics, the Mayans were using stone clubs and obsidian spears and primitive subsistence strategies. There's no reason to assume they knew something the rest of the world didn't.
 
Yup, that too. I looked this stuff up when people first started talking about it.

Mainly though... WHY does anyone believe the Mayans had some kind of special insight no one else does?

Sure, they were relatively advanced for a Stone Age culture... but they WERE a Stone Age culture. When our ancestors were sailing across the oceans in great ships, navigating by the stars, and using guns and cannon and sextants and inventing advanced mathmatics, the Mayans were using stone clubs and obsidian spears and primitive subsistence strategies. There's no reason to assume they knew something the rest of the world didn't.

I certainly don't like making assumptions. On the other hand, I like having as many possibilities covered as I can. That being said, the possibility that the world would end just because a certain scholar named Michael Coe felt that there was "a suggestion that Armageddon would overtake the degenerate peoples of the world and all creation on the final day of the 13th [b'ak'tun]" strikes me a bit like believing in Bigfoot simply because the local tabloid swears he exists (complete with poorly photoshopped pictures -.-).
 
Well since they found a longer Mayan calendar that doomsday is not a problem. Obama and the constant printing of money (or digital creation thereof) however could end the world as we know it - sooner than some will admit.
 
& on the 7th day, at the appointed hour, a stone shall fall to earth, & it shall be jet, black as the night sky, & though its size may be small its weight, its power, its everything shall envelop the earth, & there will be darkness, & a tide of demons shall emerge from the stone, bringing forth great plagues, & pestilance, & the eyes of the people shall burn, & the blinded souls of the dead shall walk again.
 
Lets see so far we have had the religious nut who KNEW for CERTAIN that the end of the world was on day x then changed his mind to day Y.

Now the Mayan calendar. And how many before that?

Yes the world will end and probably by our own hands but when that will happen I have no clue.
 
Centuries ago the Mayans marked Dec. 21, 2012, as the end of civilization as we know it.

Since then, the date has been feared, anticipated and laughed at as the end of mankind as we know it.

Has the time come?

Is there such a thing as doomsday?

What I want to know is why the **** are the Mayans so reliable? :lol:
 
Not because of the Mayans.

They just ran out of stone and said "Ah, **** it, 2012 is a long enough calender."

:mrgreen:

Or they may have been overtaken by the Aztecs, and the calendar-maker got sacrificed. ;)

Is there any such thing as dooms day? Hard to say. Nukes, shifting of the earth's polarity, asteroids, there are all kinds of possibilities. :lol: I don't worry about it. I figure if it kills me, then I can take a nice long vacation from planet earth. If I survive, I'll just keep surviving until I die. :)
 
There is a doomsday that will for sure happen, and that is when our Sun explodes, but no one need worry about that.
 
There is a doomsday that will for sure happen, and that is when our Sun explodes, but no one need worry about that.

Unless everyone has gotten off this earth by then, I'm not so sure that the people still here would feel the same way ;)
 
"Doomsday" could be the day another large meteor hits Earth. It is said only a one kilometer asteroid is required to destroy all life here. I have read several times this is going to happen but we don't know when and of course how large the rock will be. It is also said a falsehood that present day technology could destroy it before it struck. This being the case mankind looks to Mars as a survival tactic. We are in fact going to colonize Mars in part for this reason. Now if it takes a thousand or so years for a meteor strike we may by then be able to diveert it by some means but for now we remain helpless against a big one. One idea is to land a rocket on a meteor and fire retro rockets to divert it to a safe course.
On a different slant the population of the world unchecked has to be a concern with food and water and disease issues in the near future. To contemplate what governments of the world might be forced to do is not a pleasant thought.
 
Centuries ago the Mayans marked Dec. 21, 2012, as the end of civilization as we know it.

Since then, the date has been feared, anticipated and laughed at as the end of mankind as we know it.

Has the time come?

Is there such a thing as doomsday?

Well, neither Ron Paul or Mitt Romney won the election, so I'd say we narrowly avoided the doomsday.
 
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