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Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?


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I'm asking you to show me where and how race doesn't exist. When I ask you that, you respond like a novice, berating me by assuming I don't know the difference between facts and opinions. Since I asking you for proof as to why race doesn't exist, you should have the courtesy to provide proof to back up your claim. Otherwise I'd have to ignore you and search scholarly articles instead, since you seem incapable of proving your claim in this thread.

You probably assumed that I think that if race doesn't exist, that the hypothetical man-made construct we call "racism" cannot exist either. That would be one of your mistakes. Nowhere did I say anti-white racism does not exist. It does.

It is poor form in debate to make a claim and then, when questioned, turn around and say that person is committing a failure of logic, while also not providing even some facts. That tells me that you may not know exactly what you are talking about. You may not be able to provide evidence for your claim, seeing that you have avoided doing so over 4 times. It may be true that you have the capacity to do so, but then it becomes a lack of wisdom in you not providing facts for others to consider your calim. By using this sort of intellectually destructive behavior you spur people from listening to you, or thinking you have any credibilty. No one really wants to consider the claims of a rude person.

It's true that people are capable of making mistakes. Both of us are just two examples of this line of thought. The only thing I care about from you at this very moment is for you to provide some workable data for your claim that race does not exist. Otherwise, if you aren't able to do so, why would you respond to me in the first place in this thread. It's a sign of weakness to confront someone else's argument, and then refuse to provide the necessary scientific data that makes your argument valid. No, instead you appear as a spectacle:someone who makes a dire claim while refusing to provide data. I would treat you thew same as, say, any Birther who said Obama wasn't born in America, yet refused to offer tangible data. I have no need for that.

Nowhere did I say people can't be targetted by anti-white racism, or that it does not exist. That's irrelevant.
 
I'm asking you to show me where and how race doesn't exist.

That has already been asked and answered. As cmakaioz already noted

Wow, 77 vs 3 voters, @ 5/30/2012.

The issue needn't be complicated. Assuming race exists all races can be targetted by the racism of other races.

And in this post of yours, even you acknowledge that the existence of race is just an assumption, not a scientific fact.

Now you want scientific proof. :cuckoo:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=....,cf.osb&fp=2e4edfb6fecd5b31&biw=1402&bih=710
 
That has already been asked and answered. As cmakaioz already noted



And in this post of yours, even you acknowledge that the existence of race is just an assumption, not a scientific fact.

I don't believe Cmakaioz has explained it well enough. If he believes he has in this threads, he's done so in a very obscure way.

Race may exist. It may not. Assuming race does exist then obviously they can be targetted by racism. Even if race doesn't exist, they can still be targetted by this notion we've termed "racism."

Is there any empirical scientific data that race does or doesn't exist? Why do black people have darker skin to protect from UV rays? Why is it that some Asians supposedly are unable to digest milk well? If race does not exist then why does it seem that there are some large groups of people that have a higher average of certain traits than others, like skin color?
 

Well, at least you provided a general link to the scholarly articles I was reading earlier. Thanks.

I was more wanting to hear Cma's concise reasoning why he believe race doesn't exist. It's that simple.
 
I don't believe Cmakaioz has explained it well enough.

Cmakaioz didn't EXPLAIN anything. Instead, links to scientific reports written by scientists were posted and quoted. If you're demanding that Cmakaioz explain the science to you, instead of you just reading it, it raises the question of why you can't just read the reports and understand them.

Race may exist. It may not. Assuming race does exist then obviously they can be targetted by racism. Even if race doesn't exist, they can still be targetted by this notion we've termed "racism."

Like many words in the english language, words can have many different meanings. The word race has a meaning, however it has no scientific validity. That's not a maybe, or maybe not. Race, as a scientific concept, does not exist


1) Yes, it does not exist as a scientific concept
2) Some "black" people have lighter skin than some "white" people
3) Most people develop some degree of lactose intolerance as they age
4) It's called "evolution"......learn it
 
Well, at least you provided a general link to the scholarly articles I was reading earlier. Thanks.

So you already had this info? In that case, it was dishonest of you to pretend you didn't have access to the science when you did.

I was more wanting to hear Cma's concise reasoning why he believe race doesn't exist. It's that simple.

No, it's that stupid to want to hear one individuals explanation when the science has already been posted.

You asked for the science (even though you already had it), and now you've got your response. Asking for more is the cyber-equivalent of throwing a hissy fit because you can't find anything to argue about
 
Well, at least you provided a general link to the scholarly articles I was reading earlier. Thanks.

I was more wanting to hear Cma's concise reasoning why he believe race doesn't exist. It's that simple.

I don't believe "race" isn't biologically or genetically real; I observe the fact.

Go to the appropriate thread, where that has been explained briefly and at length, upwards/downwards/sideways, forward and back, and in fifteen different flavors. It's not the topic HERE.

Would you like someone to hold your hand and give you a lollipop while you're at it, or can you manage to go there on your own?
 
Would you like someone to hold your hand and give you a lollipop while you're at it, or can you manage to go there on your own?

Not "someone"; It has to be YOU

If YOU don't explain the science to him, he's going to keep throwing temper tantrums
 
One need not be in power to harbor or act upon racist ideology. One does have to have political power, however, to participate in racist oppression.

And what exactly amounts to "racial oppression?" If a gang of racist blacks beats a white man to death for no other reason than his being white, is this not racist? More to the point, is this not oppression? After all, the man is dead.

One does not require any more political power than is available on a street corner in the poorest neighborhood in town in order to participate in racial oppression of the most extreme.

Racism is indeed bad, but it's neither universal nor impulsive.

Actually, if human history (let alone human prehistory) says anything, it says that racism--indeed, genocidal racism--is most definitely universal and impulsive in the capacity that it is apparently instinctually driven, so pervasively, and so casually, that it can even be celebrated in such powerful moral directories as the Bible and the Koran without so much as the slightest notice (let alone pronounced moral condemnation) by their most avid fans and proselytizers.

It is widely taught.

This begs the question: "When exactly was it initially taught and why?"

It is certainly true that racist ideologies have been passed down through the ages, being inculcated into the mindsets of each succeeding generation, to varying degrees, by the generation that came before it. However, such etiological analysis inevitably leads to an abysmal eternal regress; and thus, in itself, hardly satisfies our quest for self-understanding nor advances our quest for self-actualization. In fact, it leads us nowhere, and with nothing but yet another pressing question: "Have we always been this way?"

Institutionalized practices, on the other hand, do not require ideological commitment for their impact.

Institutionalized racism is the inevitable (and hardly mysterious) result of successive generations of racist lore, which itself is the product of primeval racist impulses that are so ubiquitous and subconscious that they typically remain unchallenged in the absence of a society so cognitively and culturally advanced that it can conjure and promulgate ideas to the contrary.


Do not despair. Keep in mind that humanity has made enormous strides over the last few hundred years in regards to its conscious recognition of the racist ideologies it has progenerated across the ages, and their consequent institutions. Such sociological achievement, on a near global scale, is unprecedented in annals of human experience and bodes well for the future of the species.

I've seen this movie a thousand times.

Of course you have, because, like everyone else, you are one of the cast.
 

That doesn't make a lick of sense. Why would prohibiting discrimination against minorities in some situations overpower the majority? All it does, at most, is bring them a small step closer to having equal power, and even if each individual minority had totally equal power, which of course they are nowhere close to, they still would be the minority so the majority could still outvote them...
 

It's like you don't even know who the POTUS is and who his attorney general is.
 

Do you realize that what you just said is every bit an expression of the most appalling racism? You might just as well have said that black people are stupid and lazy, and you could not have been any more racist.

The overwhelming majority of white people, especially the white people with whom the overwhelming majority of minorities will have any social interaction, have little or no power of any practical consequence.

Racism against white people can be pretty damn important when you are the victim. Perhaps, this is a lesson you will learn the hard way.

Clue for you, pal: Self-effacing racism is racism just the same.

Anyone with the slightest degree of perception into the human psyche (including non-whites) will see right through your pathetic reaction formation and likely treat you accordingly. You should be careful.
 
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Of course there is anti-white racism. Does it happen on a systematic level? No. Does it happen at a social level? Absolutely.
 
Of course there is anti-white racism. Does it happen on a systematic level? No. Does it happen at a social level? Absolutely.

15 yrs ago I would have said you were 100% right....today your just half right. There is systematic anti white racism, not to the level of white on black racism but it is there now....Eric Holder is one example...
 
15 yrs ago I would have said you were 100% right....today your just half right. There is systematic anti white racism, not to the level of white on black racism but it is there now....Eric Holder is one example...

Er, wait, you understand that Fox is only pretend, right?
 
15 yrs ago I would have said you were 100% right....today your just half right. There is systematic anti white racism, not to the level of white on black racism but it is there now....Eric Holder is one example...

Actually, there are countless examples of systemic anti-white racism in the media, as well as in employment and education. The anti-white racism in the media is most readily observable in the news media's reporting of certain crimes, the death of Trayvon Martin being the most recent. The Christian-Newsom murders are another example, as was the Duke Lacrosse Fiasco. Of course, the enforcement of Affirmative Action policies results in thousands of instances where more qualified whites are deliberately passed over for admissions, employment, and promotions in the name of ensuring racial diversity of opportunity. Thus, while it can certainly be argued that minorities are often the victims of institutionalized racism, it cannot be argued that whites are not also such victims.
 

Somebody does not know the difference between systemic and systematic. Actually, they don't even know what Affirmative Action is.
 
Somebody does not know the difference between systemic and systematic. Actually, they don't even know what Affirmative Action is.

Perhaps, you would like to explain?
 
Perhaps, you would like to explain?

Systemic and systematic are not the same thing, a dictionary could explain why. Systematic antiwhite racism doesnt exist. Not on any visible scale at least. The media (at least in the US context) is primarily owned by whites so how can there possibly be a systematic antiwhite prejudice in it? As far as your little swipe at Obama and holder. You just see it(the racism) now that a black president and AG are around. Not that they´ve done anything significantly different than the president or AG before them. Actually, most policies of the Bush administration are still firmly in place.
 
Racism is racism. There is no white racism, black racism, it's all racism, all fueled by ignorance and prejudice.

Of course, once the racist gets into power, then racism does take on a whole new uglier face.
 
Systemic and systematic are not the same thing, a dictionary could explain why.


sys·tem·ic   [si-stem-ik]
adjective
1.
of or pertaining to a system.
2.
Physiology, Pathology .
a.
pertaining to or affecting the body as a whole.
b.
pertaining to or affecting a particular body system.

Systemic | Define Systemic at Dictionary.com



SYSTEMIC as in when a particular news event is reported with the same peculiar bias by nearly every source of news, as if the entire news media were infected with the same bug.

Get it now?

Systematic antiwhite racism doesnt exist.

I never said it did. However, come to think of it, Affirmative Action policies can be described as an example of systematic anti-white racism in large numbers of cases.

Not on any visible scale at least.

It's visible if you look hard enough, especially at the effects of A.A. policy upon poor whites, where both systemic and systematic racial bias is clearly observable if you care enough to pay attention to it.

The media (at least in the US context) is primarily owned by whites so how can there possibly be a systematic antiwhite prejudice in it?

I do not believe there is systematic anti-white prejudice in the media, and have never asserted that there was. There is, however, systemic anti-white bias in the news media from time to time. It is readily observable in the examples I have already listed. The fact that the media is primarily owned by whites does in no way negate the fact that such bias exists, although it does make one wonder what the hell is going on.


I do not recall even mentioning Obama or Holder. Have you been drinking?
 
There is such a thing as Race (as both Wake and You state and we all know on some level), but is Un-PC to say so. Its also less technically correct than using "indigenous peoples".

If you send your blood in to the NatGeo Genographic project, they will give you what percent you are of each (11) "indigenous people". (Be it subsaharan africa, Ausralian Aboriginal, etc). Races.

What the always strident and Wrong Cmaikoz is citing is 'Social science'/PC Opinion, Not science.
And since he's been refuted, he's not just wrong, he's Lying.

ie, in the first string on this in the science section on this:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/scien...age-iq-largely-genetic-66.html#post1060508598

Yet maikoz repeats the lies he likes. His personal racialist politics.
Be it economics or genetics, this guy is always wrong, and ironically, dismissive of those who Crush him.
In fact once you do Crush him badly enough, he will [have to] put you on 'ignore'.
(unless he thinks he's got you on something, then he'll respond. How straight is that?)

But even withing the context of the 'old' 3 races, there is Plenty of meat on the bone. In fact IN The bones.
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NOVA | Does Race Exist?
Those two being C Loring Brace, "an Antagonists persepective"
[..........] and
George W. Gill, a Proponents Perspective".
The latter:
 
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Well, in fairness... We're #1!!

American ingenuity and all that.







Go America!!

See that, whites were forced to drink from a different water fountain.
 
See that, whites were forced to drink from a different water fountain.

Yeah, its almost as bad as being called a kraut during the 70s even though Germans were responsible for the mass murder of millions. The horror. I weep for the children and grandchildren of Germans who have to live with the anguish of being called names. You hear that guys? White people were the ones forced to drink out of a different water fountain.
 
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