Is there any way to cure a truther?[W:2707]

[mike2810]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

MK,
this thread is about truthers.

Your challenge defend your claim of no planes and what we saw were cgi.
Lets see it.

 

[mike2810]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Mocking does not constitute proof that an airliner caused all that damage.
people can say "OH but it was going SOOOO fast" however, speed alone does
not impart special qualities to an aircraft such that an aluminum wing can
cut through a steel wall as a hot knife through butter.
There is something VERY wrong with the picture that is presented by the MSM.

and claiming the images were cgi is not proof.
MK, get off the msm or is that your only source of information.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

MK,
this thread is about truthers.

Your challenge defend your claim of no planes and what we saw were cgi.
Lets see it.

Please see post 3150
also I did not say "CGI"
that is speculation and I do NOT want to speculate here.
I'm just trying to point out the facts, an airliner crashing
into a wall such as the WTC tower wall, would most definitely
encounter resistance, and that resistance would be expressed
by shattering the aircraft, & dropping bits to the street, and also
most definitely slowing down the entry into the building.
in the case of "FLT175" where is the affects of a crash, why no slowing down?
OOOOH but it was traveling 500 mph ..... right, and that would get you flunked
out of middle school science. give me a break!

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

They are only threadstopping points in your own mind. Either they are completely unrelated or they are based on faulty information or they just don't make any sense. You have to raelize that your perception of events is not reality.

You do not back up any of your claims and like every other truther out there continue to shift the goalposts. When one point is slammed down (as they all are) you then go oh yeah but what about the thermite explosions? when it is pointed out thermite does not explode and could not explain the collapse you claim oh yeah but what about the crash at shanksville it didn't look like a crash. when it is pointed out there are other crashes that look similar you go oh yeah but what abou the pentagon the video footage was all seized and never released. When it is pointed out the footage has been released and is actually shown to you yo go Oh yeah but what about the hle at the Pentagon it doesn't have holes for the wings. When it is pointed out that this is not extraordinary or against the law of physics you go oh yeah but what about the pulling of WTC7 when it is pointed out that pulling does not mean to bring down and was referencing to the pulling of the firemen from the building you go oh yeah but what about the flux capacitor etc etc..
You cannot stay consitantly on any one aspect because every single bit of the 911 CT has been shown to be either irrelevant or just plain false.

"Pull it" meant take the firemen out of the building? This is such a prime example of non-truther absurdity.. What firemen? There were no firemen in building 7. Two of Silversteins towers had inexplicably collapsed CD style with explosions ripping through areas of the building that had not been on fire. Having witnessed this, no fireman was going near building 7. Not to mention, "it" cannot mean firemen. If he had meant "firemen", he would have said pull "them". The english language does not allow for "it" to mean "the firemen".



Incidentally, "pull" means "demolish" in any context involving firefighting. You can find examples of the use of the word "pull" to mean demolish by merely using Google to search for "firefighter" and "pull."

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Nope you don't understand anything about crashing objects to have come to that conclusion the evidence clearly points to a plane hitting the Pentagon.
View attachment 67152970
Hmm no wing holes on this one either must have been a fake kamikaze attack.
You obviously have fallen for truther lies again. I don't know how many times we have to point out to you people that when you get your information from truther sites you are getting it from people who are lying on purpose none of them contain anything about the truth. They do not care about the truth they only care about trying to make a quick buck off the gullible.

So you have a simple and fully explainable event of a hijacked plane hitting the Pentagon causing the damage which despite all the truther nonsense complies with all the laws of physics or you have a complex scenario where a plane is hijacked then disappears and some other object is then used to hit the Pentagon. Hmm don't have to be a genius to see which of the 2 scenarios makes absolutely no sense

The hole in that ship looks to be about the same size as the hole in the pentagon, and, you're right, the hole is consistent with a kamikaze plane or even a cruise missile. A 757 jumbo jet is much larger than a kamikaze plane, that's why the hole is too small for a 757.

 

[Bodi]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Mocking does not constitute proof that an airliner caused all that damage.
people can say "OH but it was going SOOOO fast" however, speed alone does
not impart special qualities to an aircraft such that an aluminum wing can
cut through a steel wall as a hot knife through butter.
There is something VERY wrong with the picture that is presented by the MSM.

I showed you a video of an airliner being flown like a fighter jet, on the deck, and you ignored it and who is saying that aluminum cuts through steal like a hot knife through butter? Never heard that one before.

 

[Bodi]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

"Pull it" meant take the firemen out of the building? This is such a prime example of non-truther absurdity.. What firemen? There were no firemen in building 7. Two of Silversteins towers had inexplicably collapsed CD style with explosions ripping through areas of the building that had not been on fire. Having witnessed this, no fireman was going near building 7. Not to mention, "it" cannot mean firemen. If he had meant "firemen", he would have said pull "them". The english language does not allow for "it" to mean "the firemen".



Incidentally, "pull" means "demolish" in any context involving firefighting. You can find examples of the use of the word "pull" to mean demolish by merely using Google to search for "firefighter" and "pull."

Pull it means that exercise or task. Pull it does not mean demolish. We use the term pull it sometimes and we never blew anything up so I have no idea what you are talking about there. I was in the fire brigade for over three years. How much experience do you have in it?

 

[Bodi]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

and claiming the images were cgi is not proof.
MK, get off the msm or is that your only source of information.

I brought that up already... he thinks the MSM represents everything and everybody. I talked about alternate sources and he scoffed at them or included them in the conspiracy. He has a hard on the size of Texas for the MSM.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I showed you a video of an airliner being flown like a fighter jet, on the deck, and you ignored it and who is saying that aluminum cuts through steal like a hot knife through butter? Never heard that one before.

First of all, where is it DOCUMENTED .. that is the speed of that aircraft in the video?
it was NOT going 500 MPH and therefore does NOT constitute proof that an airliner
can travel 500 mph that close to sea level.

also, observe the cartoon like cut-outs in the WTC tower walls,
the alleged aircraft is shown in the various videos of "FLT175"
penetrating the wall without slowing down at all and suffering no deformation or breakage of the aircraft.
the destruction of the aircraft was said to have happened exclusively inside the building, no visible affect
of the crash shows at all, not in slowing down, not in breaking up the aircraft. This is completely unnatural.

 

[Bodi]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

First of all, where is it DOCUMENTED .. that is the speed of that aircraft in the video?
it was NOT going 500 MPH and therefore does NOT constitute proof that an airliner
can travel 500 mph that close to sea level.

also, observe the cartoon like cut-outs in the WTC tower walls,
the alleged aircraft is shown in the various videos of "FLT175"
penetrating the wall without slowing down at all and suffering no deformation or breakage of the aircraft.
the destruction of the aircraft was said to have happened exclusively inside the building, no visible affect
of the crash shows at all, not in slowing down, not in breaking up the aircraft. This is completely unnatural.

So we are going backwards again? Are you going to start in again about how the thousands of people who witnessed it first hand were wrong. They were not jets airliners? That the people were not really on those planes and the families are faking it, or whatever? Why debate actual evidence with you when you deny everything and everything is part of the conspiracy?

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

So we are going backwards again? Are you going to start in again about how the thousands of people who witnessed it first hand were wrong. They were not jets airliners? That the people were not really on those planes and the families are faking it, or whatever? Why debate actual evidence with you when you deny everything and everything is part of the conspiracy?

I am providing REAL EVIDENCE, the fact that you don't like the evidence doesn't make it any less EVIDENCE.
WHY is it that the images on video that the "news" people all insist depict an airliner crashing into a wall,
do not have any of the features that can be expected of an airliner crash into a steel framed skyscraper wall.

 

[Bodi]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I am providing REAL EVIDENCE, the fact that you don't like the evidence doesn't make it any less EVIDENCE.
WHY is it that the images on video that the "news" people all insist depict an airliner crashing into a wall,
do not have any of the features that can be expected of an airliner crash into a steel framed skyscraper wall.

Are you saying it was a hologram or was the the other guy?

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Are you saying it was a hologram or was the the other guy?

I NEVER said "hologram"

PLEASE do think about this, do YOU believe that an aluminum aircraft can strike a wall of a steel framed
skyscraper, penetrate said wall without slowing down and also without breaking up in a manner that would
be visible from outside the building while the aircraft is in the process of penetrating said wall. AND
it leaves a gash in the wall clearly indicating that the wings cut like a knife into the wall of the building.

Do YOU ... or do YOU not believe?

 

[Bodi]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I NEVER said "hologram"

PLEASE do think about this, do YOU believe that an aluminum aircraft can strike a wall of a steel framed
skyscraper, penetrate said wall without slowing down and also without breaking up in a manner that would
be visible from outside the building while the aircraft is in the process of penetrating said wall. AND
it leaves a gash in the wall clearly indicating that the wings cut like a knife into the wall of the building.

Do YOU ... or do YOU not believe?

That's not what I saw...

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Didn't Harriet state the only way to get those iron spheres was through thermite use?
If so , he misspoke. seems it can be done with fire, paint, and steel.

. In the following Harrit-Jones video, they light one of the red chips and it gives off an incendiary reaction. The guy in your video did not do this test because the "paint chip" in your video would not give off that reaction.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

That's not what I saw...

Please enlighten me as to what you saw(?)

 

[mike2810]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

. In the following Harrit-Jones video, they light one of the red chips and it gives off an incendiary reaction. The guy in your video did not do this test because the "paint chip" in your video would not give off that reaction.

That is not the point. Harriet claimed iron spheres can only be created by thermite. It is not true.
explain why Harrit's analysis of the incendiary reaction is well below what thermite gives off?

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

interesting you quoted Hitler.
So are you saying the US govt leaders are acting like Hitler?

and what freedoms have you lost since 911. How has the Patriot Act really impacted you?

I guess you haven't noticed that advocates of freedom and rights to bear arms, and even "preppers" are being labeled "terrorists"....?

I quoted Hitler because you asked for some clarification of my concerns, and that particular quote is so applicable.

"erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.”

"the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed" - you are proof of this...

"until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.” At the height of the Iraq war US military used about 6 million rounds of ammo per month. DHS has made ammo purchases totaling 2 billion rounds of hollow points for "training". You don't use hollow points for training. Are we nearing the point where those changes cannot be reversed? Changes you are obviously not aware of - and we have all this phony "terrorism" that you have bought hook line and sinker to thank for it. The patriot act just got the ball rolling on dismantling the constitution. By itself, if they had not continued in that direction, it would be relatively harmless - so they now allow illegal wiretaps. Big deal - doesn't affect me.

HOWEVER, the patriot act paved the way for other things like the NDAA. Does mike2810 know he can be arrested and indefinitely detained without trial, no right to an attorney, and no 3 phone calls under a clause in the NDAA that has a deliberate vagueness to it when it comes to persons covered? California acknowledges and is trying to pass a bill protecting its citizens:

NDAA Nullification Bill Headed to Floor of California State Senate

The president and leon panetta have decided they no longer need the permission of congress to go to war. THEY DECIDED THAT and informed congress.

They've used 911 to accomplish all of these erosions. No comment? Must've made too much sense.

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

That is not the point. Harriet claimed iron spheres can only be created by thermite. It is not true.
explain why Harrit's analysis of the incendiary reaction is well below what thermite gives off?

Below is his explanation.

As measured using DSC, the material ignites and reacts
vigorously at a temperature of approximately
430 °C, with a rather narrow exotherm, matching
fairly closely an independent observation on a known
super-thermite sample. The low temperature of ignition
and the presence of iron oxide grains less than
120 nm show that the material is not conventional
thermite (which ignites at temperatures above 900 °C)
but very likely a form of super-thermite.

The red material does burn quickly as shown in the DSC,
and we have observed a bright flash on ignition, but determination
of the burn rate of the red material may help to classify
this as a slow or fast explosive. It may be that this material is
used not as a cutter-charge itself, but rather as a means to ignite
high explosives, as in super-thermite matches. Having
observed unignited thermitic material in the WTC residue,
we suggest that other energetic materials suitable for cutter
charges or explosives should also be looked for in the WTC
dust. NIST has admitted that they have not yet looked for such
residues.
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.pdf

 

[Bodi]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Please enlighten me as to what you saw(?)

An airliner traveling really fast that flew into the WTC, exploding in a mass fireball causing a massive fire that, after a couple of hours, lead to the destruction of a dozen floors or so and ended up collapsing down pulverizing the floors below.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

An airliner traveling really fast that flew into the WTC, exploding in a mass fireball causing a massive fire that, after a couple of hours, lead to the destruction of a dozen floors or so and ended up collapsing down pulverizing the floors below.

do you have any of the DVD documentaries? have you taken the time to examine the crash of "FLT175" at all?
there is significant evidence in the pictures, for one thing, in three alleged airliner crashes, the airliner
strikes a wall, penetrates the wall and the entire aircraft ( at least 99% of it... ) enters the building and
only after the entire aircraft is inside the building, then the jet-fuel explosion goes of in a huge fire ball.
( just like B movie special effects .... )

Did you notice the gash in the side of the WTC towers, the cut steel that would have to have been
cut by the aluminum aircraft wings. examine the evidence.

 

[Bodi]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

do you have any of the DVD documentaries? have you taken the time to examine the crash of "FLT175" at all?
there is significant evidence in the pictures, for one thing, in three alleged airliner crashes, the airliner
strikes a wall, penetrates the wall and the entire aircraft ( at least 99% of it... ) enters the building and
only after the entire aircraft is inside the building, then the jet-fuel explosion goes of in a huge fire ball.
( just like B movie special effects .... )

Did you notice the gash in the side of the WTC towers, the cut steel that would have to have been
cut by the aluminum aircraft wings. examine the evidence.

Did Steven Spielberg direct it?

Seriously, it is not like it took it a second to blow up at 500mph or anything... :lol: Because Hollywood, or the CIA in this case, is just THAT good. The entire world watching and armed with videos in a production DONE LIVE and they pulled it off almost perfectly. Something even James Cameron in Avatar couldn't do with years of editing time? Yeah, I think that you might be onto something there. :roll:

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Did Steven Spielberg direct it?

Seriously, it is not like it took it a second to blow up at 500mph or anything... :lol: Because Hollywood, or the CIA in this case, is just THAT good. The entire world watching and armed with videos in a production DONE LIVE and they pulled it off almost perfectly. Something even James Cameron in Avatar couldn't do with years of editing time? Yeah, I think that you might be onto something there. :roll:

In other words, you refuse to comment on the EVIDENCE
you just want to deflect by making wise cracks about movie making.
Please enlighten me, how many different video cameras got live pix of "FLT175" crashing into the south tower?

what do you think about those gashes in the buildings, aluminum wings cutting through steel? howzat done?

We have all the evidence we need, will people actually look at it?

 

[Bodi]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

In other words, you refuse to comment on the EVIDENCE
you just want to deflect by making wise cracks about movie making.
Please enlighten me, how many different video cameras got live pix of "FLT175" crashing into the south tower?

what do you think about those gashes in the buildings, aluminum wings cutting through steel? howzat done?

We have all the evidence we need, will people actually look at it?

Buh-Bye...

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Pull it means that exercise or task. Pull it does not mean demolish. We use the term pull it sometimes and we never blew anything up so I have no idea what you are talking about there. I was in the fire brigade for over three years. How much experience do you have in it?

I think it was 4th grade english we used to do this. Remember those multiple choice tests? It may have been 5th or 6th grade...It was fundamental reading comprehension. Figuring things out by the context of the sentence (I got straight A's in English) Let's see how well you do:

Mr. Silverstein was being interviewed about what happened to one of his buildings at the WTC:
"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is "pull it".' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

By "pull it", Mr. Silverstein most likely meant

A. to pull the insurance file so they could make sure it was up to date while they watched the building collapse

B. to pull up a chair so he could watch the building collapse

C. to pull firemen that were not in the building out of the building

D. to initiate the collapse and then they watched the building collapse