ocean515
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Illegal entry is a criminal offense. But, all of the undocumented people I work with and have worked with in the past, overstayed their VISAs. Which is a civil matter. They didn't come the traditional, stowaway way.
Romanian/Bulgarian/Serbian/Macedonian people do this at very high rates in my city too. They come over on work VISAs and just never leave because they don't want to go back to ****ty infrastructures and low wages.
Based on what? Be objective.
You said foreigners are destabilizing 'your culture'; which I assume is American. I see no destabilization of American culture by immigrants, so I can not give you examples of what I do not see.
Do you see destabilization to your culture? Maybe you would like to elaborate.
As an immigrant myself, no, I don't really care. I think in general people should be able to move and live where they please. If someone isn't hurting me and is just living their lives in peace why should I care?
It is not a criminal violation to enter the country illegally. The criminal aspect comes into play through all the other things they do to stay here.
thats an impossible situation.
government is here to secure rights, how can it do that if it cannot determine who is friend or foe.
if you allow someone to enter because government puts no time into knowing who and what their intentions are, and later they an commit an action which hurts people, then it to late to do something for those people who are hurt which the government was supposed to serve by protecting their rights.
I don't consider every non-American my foe, so I don't have the same fears as you.
Because that is what America was built on. The Chinese built our railroads. We had Italian, Irish, Polish, Bohemian immigrants. It used to be common to hear Italian in public.
We aren't destabilizing our culture. I don't wish to spend the afternoon arguing immigrant crime statistics with you either.
Our Mexican brothers and sisters are safe, normal people, who want what you want for your children's future. Educational opportunity and economic stability. End of story.
As an immigrant myself, no, I don't really care. I think in general people should be able to move and live where they please. If someone isn't hurting me and is just living their lives in peace why should I care?[/QUOTE
However when someone wants to move to the US, they should have to do so legally as is expected on any other nation on the planet.
Other. Depends on what aspect you are looking at kinda thing. They are immigrants. They differ in how they became immigrants. So whether they are different or not depends on what you are discussing. For example, if you are discussing immigrant assimilation, then no, they really are not different. If you are discussing policy on immigration, then yeah, they are different.
Basically, if you do the mass deportations that Trump is talking about, you are going to ruin lives and disrupt employer's livelihoods. They need to go to court, return home, obtain a work VISA, and obtain citizenship within a series of court dates. With the punishment being tavel expense and court costs. Failure to comply would mean deportation, and even a miserable lefty like me, could agree they deserve that then. So, one major barrier to citizenship is English. A timeline to obtain citizenship is up in the air, because you can't snap your fingers and learn English.
I am fluent en espanol, and have often considered reaching out to Spanish-speaking communities that need basic level English proficiency lessons. Right now, I'm focused on political objectives but, maybe I could leave my positive mark on the world in that way.
Most immigrants, whether they be lawful or not, assimilate well in America. How is America destabilized?
That's why half the population of California prisons are illegals from Latin American countries.
It's all that assimilation.
Those employers who knowingly hire illegals should be heavily fined or imprisoned.
That's why half the population of California prisons are illegals from Latin American countries.
It's all that assimilation.
93% of MS-13 members in New York are in the country illegally. I think they could care less about assimilating.
If they come in illegally, they are not immigrants....they are law breakers.
There wouldn't be a problem with employers hiring illegals if the E-Verify was enforced.
Those employers who knowingly hire illegals should be heavily fined or imprisoned.
No, the poll asks about difference. Whether there is a difference, and whether that difference matters, depends on context.
No it isn't. Maybe you should read the poll question.
I view it as two different things. Personally, I find hispanics to be some of the most generous, hard-working, and delightful people on the planet. I love their colorful culture, their wonderful food, and their devotion to family. I would be thrilled if legal immigration for people from Mexico and Central America was tripled, quadrupled even.
But we as a country simply must know who they are and where they are, otherwise they are forced to steal SS numbers from citizens and legal immigrants, causing chaos in their own tax/financial records, and are exploited for their undocumented status, making them vulnerable to manipulation and forced labor, which hurts everyone in society. Our borders must be secure, but our immigration laws must be loosened for families looking for a better life.
You're talking about the immigrants, not immigration. There is no context that can make legal and illegal immigration the same.
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