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Is the GOP racist? Is it classist?

No problem discussing race. Do have a problem with manifest dishonesty.
People who have problems discussing race rarely admit that they have problems discussing race.
 

That is more of a valid response. I'm sure it cannot be simplified to one single reason. But let's assume that prejudice does play some role. Is it wrong to consider to what degree it plays a role? I think trying to be colorblind would be just as bad as to be so narrowminded as to see it only in terms of race. Race does play some factor, no matter how small, and pretending it plays absolutely none is just as disingenuous as arguing it is entirely the problem.
 

People that start posts like that don't sound very libertarian to me.
 
So you admit that bringing up Al Gore in a discussion of Bush's racist Willy Horton ad was a red herring?

There was nothing the least bit racist about the Willie Horton ad.

Willie Horton was a dangerous, violent, murderous criminal, who had been sentenced to life in prison without parole, by a judge who intended him never to go free again. Michael Dukakis strongly supported and defended a “prison furlough” program, under which Horton was allowed to go free, during which time he brutally raped a young woman, and attempted to murder her fiancee. After he was convicted and sentences for those crimes, the sentencing judge, Vincent J. Femia, refused to return Horton to Massachusetts, saying, “I'm not prepared to take the chance that Mr. Horton might again be furloughed or otherwise released. This man should never draw a breath of free air again.”

That Michael Dukakis supported and defended the program that set Horton—a convicted murder—free to commit additional crimes was certainly a very valid and damaging point to bring up against him in the campaign. Here we have a man, a credible candidate for President of the United States, who had willfully taken the side of dangerous and violent criminals, and against the honest residents of his state. Of course, that's the side that Democrats usually take, but they are rarely so blatant about it, and there usually isn't as solid and clear an example as Willie Horton to demonstrate just how depraved and irresponsible their positions are.

Of course it is expected that you would cry “racism” over the fact that Willie Horton was black. But the color of his skin had nothing to do with his crimes ,nor with the blood that Dukakis' own hands were stained with for his complicity in Horton's crimes. If Horton had been white, he would still have committed teh same crimes, the very same ad would surely have been run, showing Dukakis' hands to be just as bloodstained.


Your response here is exactly as I have been saying. This is an area where your party, and its primary representative of the time, was spectacularly wrong, taking a position that absolutely cannot be defended on its own merit, leaving you only to accuse those who condemned this indefensible position as “racists” for so doing.
 
Your site was a joke. Goofle Paula Deen Democrat. You won't like what you find(of course you will just ignore it anyways.

Still no link to prove your reckless allegation. Typical.
 

The house leadership (I.e boehner cantor etc) seem to be incapable of controling its own caucus.
 
That alone indicates that "GOP" is not so generic. They obviously have factions. That's all I was trying to say - they can't be judged en masse.


The house leadership (I.e boehner cantor etc) seem to be incapable of controling its own caucus.
 

Of course this thread is about the Republicans. If it was about Dems you'd be nowhere to be found (or be in vehement denial/defense mode).
 

Does it play a part with some Republicans, yes. Does it play a part on why some democrats voted for Obama yes.

race, religion, gender etc all play a role. I am not blind to that. Just think blanket statements do not help move forward the conversation. Doing that just sends people in their respective corners to fight it out.

Both parties have voting blocks. They both play to those blocks to "solidify their base". That is why I tire of these back and forth bombs each side throws out versus taking on more specific issues.
 
Paula Deen was an Obama supporter

Ahhhhh no. Nice try though.

It's a toss up. The fact is, Deen did invite Michelle to cook food with her, while they were on the campaign trail. It's also a fact that she did invite Cindy McCain to cook with her, and it didn't happen.



The right-wing pundits use this to claim she was an Obama supporter, and in fact, giving what is in effect free TV air time to the wife of Obama, was supporting the Obama's. However, it's hard to say that this was because she directly supported Obama, or that she is a democrat, or if this was more for her own benefit as a TV personality.

Because again, she also invited Cindy McCain.

I have yet to find anything anywhere that even tries to establish the political views of Deen, so there's not much to go on either way. She did however, have a show featuring what before Obama, was the worst president in US history, Jimmy Carter, and his wife. Deen has never gotten with the Reagan's, or the Bush's Sr or Jr, nor Dole or Romney.

But that's very slim evidence indeed.

What I will say about this, is that my experience with some groups of people, is that Black people call themselves N's all the time. Rap has it all over. Yet no one screams about it, because it's used in jest. Yet when someone uses it here, the people on the left go crazy. The whole thing seems hypocritical to me.
 
Fewer Democrats than Republicans turned out for the last primary.

I do not believe this is true. Actually, I'm pretty certain it is false.
 
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Are we not allowed to think that a majority of the poor are poor because of their bad decisions without being called racist/classist? I've never heard someone say that "black" culture is some how inferior to "white" culture. But if you are saying that thinking that people should be personally responsible and productive members of society is racism, then it sounds like to me that you are already buying the assumption that one race/culture is superior to another by default. If one buys such an assumption, then perhaps I understand how they think that the only way to fix this natural disparity is to make excuses for the irresponsible and hand checks to the unproductive.
 
Are we not allowed to think that a majority of the poor are poor because of their bad decisions without being called racist/classist?
You're allowed to think whatever you want.

I've never heard someone say that "black" culture is some how inferior to "white" culture.
Congratulations, but my comment wasn't about you. I've heard someone say that exact sentence.

That's not what I said so that's not what I'm saying.

If one buys such an assumption, then perhaps I understand how they think that the only way to fix this natural disparity is to make excuses for the irresponsible and hand checks to the unproductive.
Since I did not make that assumption as discussed above, this comment is erroneous. LOL!
 
That's not what I said so that's not what I'm saying.
Since I did not make that assumption as discussed above, this comment is erroneous. LOL!

You said
In otherwords, you consider that espousing personal responsibility is classist/racist. I'm the one who believes anyone can improve their life by making good decisions no matter what their circumstances, you're the one who believes that there is something inherently inferior about those who are poor/minority to where personal responsibility and hard work aren't enough.
 
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