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Is the GOP debt limit play a good one, or will it force the Dems to end the filibuster?

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McConnell says that if the Dems want to raise the debt limit to pay for trump's tax cut, go ahead, but the GOp will not give them a single vote. If the GOP uses the filibuster to try and blame the ensuing disaster on the Dems, the Deems will have just one choice, to end or limit the filibuster or watch the US economy go down the drain. It seems that the GOP is willing to have that happen to regain power as it meets with their, do anything to win. So could the GOP debt limit play actually in the end help the Dems, as it will open the way for other what I call Biden bills, if they have to kill the filibuster?
 
Maybe McConnell wants them to eliminate the filibuster. Look how it turned out for Harry Reid.

This is why I oppose eliminating it. It will come back to bite Democrats in the ass.
 
This is the zero sum game in a nutshell. McConnell is playing Heads I win (nuke filibuster) Tails you lose(Nation goes into default)…
 
McConnell says that if the Dems want to raise the debt limit to pay for trump's tax cut, go ahead, but the GOp will not give them a single vote. If the GOP uses the filibuster to try and blame the ensuing disaster on the Dems, the Deems will have just one choice, to end or limit the filibuster or watch the US economy go down the drain. It seems that the GOP is willing to have that happen to regain power as it meets with their, do anything to win. So could the GOP debt limit play actually in the end help the Dems, as it will open the way for other what I call Biden bills, if they have to kill the filibuster?
Doesn't matter, better to have R's abuse the filibuster in the future than to default this month. McTurtle is the worst of American politics. Complains D's need to get moving and then filibusters the movement.
 

Is the GOP debt limit play a good one​

I think it will cost them the midterms which were in the bag.

You can't just turn your back on America if you are elected to represent it.

A strange but significant misstep for Mitch.
 
I think it will cost them the midterms which were in the bag.

You can't just turn your back on America if you are elected to represent it.

A strange but significant misstep for Mitch.

The typical Republican voter doesn't care about this. It won't harm them politically.
 
It will harm America, and Republicans want that.
 
I think.... "people" think America is about a "Divisive Oppositional Game"....rather than supporting America to be the UNITED STATES... as America.
 
The do-nothing Republicans. Just keep playing the videos of them doing nothing while the country suffers, all the way through 2022.
 
Failure to raise the debt ceiling in time could halt payments that millions of Americans rely on, including paychecks to federal workers, Medicare benefits, military salaries, tax refunds, Social Security checks and payments to federal contractors. It could cause job losses, a shutdown of tens of billions in Covid-19 economic recovery aid still set to be delivered, and a near-freeze in credit markets.

Republicans simply don't care.


That would be Senate Republicans who are saying nothing about the pending crisis. That would be Republicans on this forum who are saying nothing about the pending crisis as time is quickly running out.

And that would be Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

McConnell is refusing to help raise the debt ceiling-- even though the US is on the hook for huge debts run up under the Trump administration. That would be eight trillion dollars. 98% of the debt occurred before the Democrats controlled the White House and Congress.

"The majority doesn't need our votes," McConnell said Monday.

"I suggest that our colleagues get moving," he added.

Stephen Collinson writes, "Technically, McConnell might be correct. In the last resort, Democrats could use a time consuming and complicated maneuver known as reconciliation to extend the government's borrowing authority. But the Kentuckian's action has likely set yet another brutal precedent that will further polarize the business of governance and make the vital task of maintaining a stable economy even more politicized and dysfunctional in years to come.

"The latest debt-ceiling showdown is the most recent example of how the wily Kentucky senator is ready to crush governing norms and conventions if they advance his political goals, thanks to his extraordinary thick hide that is an undeniable political asset. Just because Democrats joined the GOP in raising the debt limit when Republicans were in the majority doesn't mean the favor will be repaid now that the situation is reversed.

In other words, McConnell does not care. His personal political goals are more important than than the needs of the American people. He is willing to sacrifice the American economy to make the Democrats look bad.

It is pure irony that McConnell's me-first policy is creating a situation in which the Democrats will ride to the rescue, saving the American economy, ensuring the security of investments, paying seniors, federal workers, and our military. In the meantime, the Republicans are out in the cold looking like the Grinch who stole Christmas.

Republicans have this habit of shooting themselves in the foot. For example, the leading candidate for the Republican nominee for President in 2024 is defeated former President Donald J. Trump who also lost the House and Senate during his watch.

The forum's Republicans will say nothing.
 
It will harm America, and Republicans want that.
I have strongly suspected that you are right, they would be happy to sabotage the economy if they thought they could use it as a talking point in Nov '22. The scorched Earth policy.
 
The typical Republican voter doesn't care about this. It won't harm them politically.
Maybe ... just maybe.... the question would become whether or not the Dems could pin the issue on the Repubs in public opinion, among independent voters. The % of voters who call themselves repulicans is not enough to carry the midterms by themselves. They need independents, and if the blame can be articulated and aimed at the GOP, the R voters wouldn't care, but Dems and indies would win a lot of seats. So I think you're right, but with a big 'maybe', and I know it's a really big 'maybe'
 
McConnell says that if the Dems want to raise the debt limit to pay for trump's tax cut, go ahead, but the GOp will not give them a single vote. If the GOP uses the filibuster to try and blame the ensuing disaster on the Dems, the Deems will have just one choice, to end or limit the filibuster or watch the US economy go down the drain. It seems that the GOP is willing to have that happen to regain power as it meets with their, do anything to win. So could the GOP debt limit play actually in the end help the Dems, as it will open the way for other what I call Biden bills, if they have to kill the filibuster?
The filibuster is the rule you love to hate, end the filibuster sounds good when you hold the tie breaking vote, but what happens in 2023 if the other party is then in power in the Senate?

Goodby ACA as the nation watches the right wing ram though its' agenda on everything from taxes to the EPA.
 
OK call me crazy, call me names, go ahead, tell me what an idiot pinko commie dreamer I am, BUT I don't get how a party that doesn't have a platform, doesn't seem to have any meaningful issues, and a party that doesn't make sense and lies all the time is going to win more seats in '22.
 
OK call me crazy, call me names, go ahead, tell me what an idiot pinko commie dreamer I am, BUT I don't get how a party that doesn't have a platform, doesn't seem to have any meaningful issues, and a party that doesn't make sense and lies all the time is going to win more seats in '22.
People eat up the lies politicians tell, something about the American system of government just makes it easier for the party not in power to get out the vote.
 
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