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Is the Earth flat or spheroid?

Is the earth flat or spheroid ?

  • Spheroid (includes all variations)

  • Flat (includes all variations)


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Not if an observer's observations lead to a flat earth hypothesis

Juin said:
You cannot assume there is an "other side" until you dig and arrive there. Does our universe have a limit? If it does what is on the other side?





How is your answer any different from that of the flat earth hypothesis? The question from the round earth poster was what we can find from digging a flat earth. The depth of a flat earth proposition is infinite. The question to you is also what is at the boundaries of the universe. You dont know and give same bull shit answer that it is infinite :)

Hi Juin,

You have no understanding of science. A hypothesis is merely a nice word for an idea as long as it has not been proven. Everybody can write a hypothesis. When some people write them they carry more weight because of the earned respect over the years, but it remains a hypothesis nonetheless. And not until a hypothesis has been proven it remains just that. An idea. Now if you can show me any flat earth hypothesises that have been proven, than we can talk. Until than you are wasting everybody's time including your own.

Joey
 
No scientist shuts down contrary arguments. A spherical earth hypothesist who shuts down flat earth hypothesists is not serving science, but rather is engaging in superstition masquerading as science

Hi Juin,

I am not a scientist, nor do I claim to be one.
I am also not a round earth hypothesist. We passed that station when it was proven that earth is round.
You, on the other hand are a flat earth hypothesist. Because you have an idea, and you can not provide a single shred of evidence. Nor will you ever. And you will always be just that, a flat earth hypothesist, because it will never be proven. It can't be proven.


Joey
 
It all depends on the available observations. Flat earth is a valid scientific hypothesis depending on what an observer observed. An observer in an isolated tribe in the Amazon forest is capable of of only observations that lead to a Flat Earth thesis. And that theory must remain True for him until challenged successfully
Yes. Science tends to be only as good as it needs to be. It's better thought of as models to help simplify the world for us rather than "discovering the truth" which is what kids tend to learn growing up.
 
No one is lying. The earth is neither actually flat, nor actually long, nor actually round. It is flat to flat earthers, and round to round earthers.


Have you never heard of The Six Blind Men and the Elephant?
This is trolling because you keep getting beat on Russia?
 
No scientist shuts down contrary arguments. A spherical earth hypothesist who shuts down flat earth hypothesists is not serving science, but rather is engaging in superstition masquerading as science

Hi Juin,

Scientists shut down contrary arguments all the time. That is the base process of science publications. You have an idea and you provide proof. An other scientists looks at it and tries to disprove it. When the proof is overwhelming, the scientific community accepts a hypothesis as science fact. And yes, even after that, it can still be challenged. I do not need to challenge your hypothesis. You need to proof your hypothesis. That the earth is round has been proven already. You can not provide proof that the earth is flat.


Joey
 
Based on available observations. And why do you believe the Flat Earth Hypothesis requires superstition? Observation is enough to lead to a flat earth hypothesis






The Homo sapiens man dates back as far as 300,000 years ago. Columbus barely 500 plus years ago.





And what is that pseudo science?
The Greeks knew the earth was a sphere before Columbus. Scientists actually do shut down doofus arguments all the time during peer review.
 
It is valid based on the data it is arrived at.

Hi Juin,

No it is not valid, because proof has never been provided/accepted. You first need to provide proof. Someone's perception is not proof. Besides that, you say the earth is flat. So you have to proof the earth is flat. If you want to proof that you are not the only one who thinks that the earth is flat, yes, than you can come up with tales of tribal people who still live in the stone age and also think the earth is flat. And in that case your hypothesis is correct. There are people who believe the earth is flat. But that is NOT what you are talking about. You are talking about the earth not being round. But that you are proud you have found some people still living in the stone age who also think that the earth is flat merely shows you are on the same level as people living in the stone age. It does not show the earth is flat.

Joey
 
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Juin said:
Does our universe have a limit?


"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

- attributed to Albert Einstein


I am asking you; do you know whether our universe has a limit or not?
 
Right. You don't actually need science at all.

Hi Taylor,

Given time and available resources, this is, today, considered to be among the greatest scientific achievements. They knew Pi. They knew earth rotated and also rotated around the sun. They took measurements in Greece and in Alexandria. And they calculated that the circumference was approx. 40,000km. That was top science! Lol.


Joey
 
And yes, you can find them. And that is on the same level as what I had suggested earlier. They are excused. But they are also the exception. So that has zero bearing on the discussion.


They are not excused. They inhabit their own world and have a right to their own scientific observations and conclusions. Which conclusions, like any scientific theory is True until proven False. That also holds same for the 21st Century. Our studies and conclusions are valid; the existence of some superior civilisation somewhere else that have falsified our findings dont invalidate ours. Ours remain True for us until we find them False; or the unknown civilisation visits us and proves us wrong with their own findings
 
Hi Juin,

1 - Not relevant.
2 - Not relevant.
3 - Not the science that we base facts on. It is a collection of statements that appear to be scientific to mislead people into believing something that can be easily disproven with science.


Who is "we"? And what do you mean by statements that sound scientific? An isolated community making observations on its geography is engaged in valid scientific observation.
 
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Juin said:
Why must a flat earth have edges? Can it not be infinitely flat?


NO. That would be too weird.


I submit that the proposition of an infinitely flat earth is no more weird than the proposition on an infinite universe
 
.I am asking you; do you know whether our universe has a limit or not?

I agree with the quote attributed to Einstein on both counts.
 
Hi Taylor,

Given time and available resources, this is, today, considered to be among the greatest scientific achievements. They knew Pi. They knew earth rotated and also rotated around the sun. They took measurements in Greece and in Alexandria. And they calculated that the circumference was approx. 40,000km. That was top science! Lol.


Joey
I guess that would depend on what you call "science." Much of what they accomplished was via simple logic - philosophy. Not what we think of today as "science."

Of course, one could also argue that even little babies are "scientists" as they the interact with their environments, drop different things from the high chair to see what happens, make assumptions, act surprised when something doesn't go the way they expect, etc.
 
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Juin said:
It is valid based on the data it is arrived at.


Hi Juin,

No it is not valid, because proof has never been provided/accepted. You first need to provide proof. Someone's perception is not proof. Besides that, you say the earth is flat. So you have to proof the earth is flat. If you want to proof that you are not the only one who thinks that the earth is flat, yes, than you can come up with tales of tribal people who still live in the stone age and also think the earth is flat. And in that case your hypothesis is correct. There are people who believe the earth is flat. But that is NOT what you are talking about. You are talking about the earth not being round. But that you are proud you have found some people still living in the stone age who also think that the earth is flat merely shows you are on the same level as people living in the stone age. It does not show the earth is flat.

Joey


If a member of an isolated community looks out of his tent and sees nothing but flat stretches before him, that is a valid scientific observation. Science does NOT demand that an observer base conclusions on data they do not have. And what proof do you want if every member of the community observes the same thing?.

And it is as equally possible that we on 21st Century planet earth are millenia in knowledge behind some other civilisation out there we know nothing about. Just as the remote, isolated tribe knows nothing about the rest of planet earth. Our findings and conclusions here on planet earth are still valid scientific observations and conclusions irrespective of whether a higher civilisation has disproved them
 
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bomberfox said:
The Greeks knew the earth was a sphere before Columbus.


Right. You don't actually need science at all.


How they came about the conclusion the earth is a sphere can be a valid scientific activity.
 
How they came about the conclusion the earth is a sphere can be a valid scientific activity.
Yes. Sufficient. But not necessary.

I could also use science to predict where coconuts come from. If I didn't have eyes or the ability to leave the ground, it might even be useful.
 
Hi Taylor,

Given time and available resources, this is, today, considered to be among the greatest scientific achievements. They knew Pi. They knew earth rotated and also rotated around the sun. They took measurements in Greece and in Alexandria. And they calculated that the circumference was approx. 40,000km. That was top science! Lol.


I must remind you that the Homo sapiens man dates back 300,000 years. Are you talking about Greeks of two, three thousand years ago? What happened to the remainder of the 300,000 years of the Homo sapiens man?
 
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Juin said:
.I am asking you; do you know whether our universe has a limit or not?


I agree with the quote attributed to Einstein on both counts.


The question is whether you know whether the universe has a limit or not, Plus you can only prove that something has a limit. You cannot prove that something has no limit; you can only state that you cant find the limit
 
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