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Is the Earth flat or spheroid?

Is the earth flat or spheroid ?

  • Spheroid (includes all variations)

  • Flat (includes all variations)


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Flat earth has been widely disproven in countless ways, not the least of which is people literally circumnavigating it constantly for the last few centuries.

Just so we are clear, @Juin is not only saying that the Earth is flat, he is also saying that nobody has been to space and confirmed that it isn't flat, that nobody has navigated around the world by sea, that nobody has sent a camera high enough to see the curvature of the earth ... essentially, he is dismissing the last 300 to 400 years of observational data and scientific studies because when he steps out into the world it looks flat.

The hubris of these people.

😂
 
Hi Taylor,

Sorry taylor, but NO. Hell no. Not a chance.

Can you repeat it? I bet you can't. I bet 99% of the people can not.

Sorry for taking a strong stance here. But it was not observational. He could not 'see' that Alexandria was 800km away. He could not 'see' that a circle has 360 degrees. He also understood that without accurate time, 'noon' on the longest day would
allow him to compare the solar zenith angle at the same time, regardless of Longitude. Wow! You need to be one very clever cookie to come up with that kind of stuff.

Claiming this is not science is like saying Newton was watching apples fall from the tree... lol.


Joey
How are you defining "science"???

Scientists use mathematics, yes. But math requires no science whatsoever (though science does inspire the development of mathematics). It's pure reasoning - logic - almost exclusively deductive reasoning.
 
Right. You don't actually need science at all.
Except they used the method to figure that out. You do actually need science and simple physics.
 
I must remind you that the Homo sapiens man dates back 300,000 years. Are you talking about Greeks of two, three thousand years ago? What happened to the remainder of the 300,000 years of the Homo sapiens man?
Dunno. But the earth geometry is not a matter of simple perspective.
 
Except they used the method to figure that out. You do actually need science.
No, they didn't. They didn't have the scientific method. Not as we understand it today.
 
I am afraid I do. :)






You have it wrong. It is for you to disprove the flat earth hypothesis. A hypothesis must withstand all challenges, or is proven False
Actually thats reversing the burden of proof. Flat earthers have a burden of proof and they are not the null hypothesis. You are seriously bad at this. Fortunately flat earth is disprovable beyond mere “where is the evidence”
 
I am find with spheroid, or whatever you are fine with






Let me repeat my position. The flat earth hypothesis is a valid scientific hypothesis. It is not superstition as many on the thread appear to believe. A hypothesis follows from what data is available to the observer; not what data is available to another observer he never heard of
There is no hypothesis that flat earth has been able to come up with that has any explanatory value whatsoever. Its been debunked countless times.

I doubt you would listen because you never do.
 
I'm done with this discussion. You're assertions are based on assumptions not data.

It is said that Socrates (470BC-399BC), the legendary Greek philosopher, first popularized the idea that the Earth was round instead of flat. He observed a lunar eclipse and realized that the shadow on the moon due to the earth was curved, which prompted him to deduce that the earth must be round if it were to cast a curved shadow. Additionally, the shape of the moon—a celestial body just like the earth—is also round, which helped him conclude that all the celestial bodies must be round, including our planet. He did not provide any mathematical or scientific backing, so there was no proof, except his observations.

Some scientists during the same period also noted that whenever ships arrived in port, the topmost portion of the ship would be visible first, not the whole ship. If the earth was flat, the whole ship should be visible from a distance. These types of observations helped to strengthen the theory of the round earth.

His belief was based on observable data. 2500 years ago.

Buh-bye
Juin doesnt really listen and really loves to dig in and never move.
 
Flat earth has been widely disproven in countless ways, not the least of which is people literally circumnavigating it constantly for the last few centuries.
Even flat earthers proved the 24 hour sun to themselves on the south pole.
 
Actually thats reversing the burden of proof. Flat earthers have a burden of proof and they are not the null hypothesis. You are seriously bad at this. Fortunately flat earth is disprovable beyond mere “where is the evidence”

Hi BomberFox,

Nor do they submit evidence the the earth is not round.

Joey
 
You have it wrong. It is for you to disprove the flat earth hypothesis. A hypothesis must withstand all challenges, or is proven False

Hi Juin,

So let me get this straight. You claim the Earth is flat, something that contradicts literally everything from centuries of physics to basic navigation — and somehow it’s my job to disprove it?

That’s not how reality works. That’s how toddlers argue when they’re losing.

If I said you were a hologram controlled by trench-dwelling deep-sea hobbits, would that be “true” until you prove otherwise? Think again... And think hard, because my objective observation so far is that it is highly unlikely for you not to be a trench dwelling deep sea hobbit.

And the perspective nonsense you keep coming up with all the time also hits a brick wall. And this is how I actually know that you yourself know it is a lot of bullocks, because this perspective crap allows for the earth to be round and flat at he same time. And even you understand that the earth can not be round and flat at the same time. Or do I hold you in too high a regard now? It would allow earth to be round and flat at the same time. That works only with Quantum Computers. Hint is in the name, small. Earth is just what it is. An almost perfect sphere. And almost perfect it is because even with the highest mountains, the earth is never further away from a perfect circle than 0.5%.

Joey
 
Excellent analysis.
Serious flat-earthers have no chance against your logic.

Hi Jay,

So true, but likewise we can say; nobody stands a chance against a serious flat earther. It's like they got this massive steel plate in front of their head.


Joey
 
Hi Jay,

So true, but likewise we can say; nobody stands a chance against a serious flat earther. It's like they got this massive steel plate in front of their head.


Joey
Sometimes steel plates are so thick only diamond-tipped drills can get through.
It's better to walk away from serious flat-earthers.
 
Hi Juin,

So let me get this straight. You claim the Earth is flat, something that contradicts literally everything from centuries of physics to basic navigation — and somehow it’s my job to disprove it?


Yes. And I have my personal observations to back up my Flat Earth thesis. My theory remains True until proven False. And I have not lived for centuries.



That’s not how reality works. That’s how toddlers argue when they’re losing.

If I said you were a hologram controlled by trench-dwelling deep-sea hobbits, would that be “true” until you prove otherwise? Think again... And think hard, because my objective observation so far is that it is highly unlikely for you not to be a trench dwelling deep sea hobbit.


1st. How did you come about with the conclusion I am a hologram?




And the perspective nonsense you keep coming up with all the time also hits a brick wall. And this is how I actually know that you yourself know it is a lot of bullocks, because this perspective crap allows for the earth to be round and flat at he same time.



Easy easy. I disagree with you that the earth can be round and flat at the same
 
Actually thats reversing the burden of proof.



Not really.


Flat earthers have a burden of proof and they are not the null hypothesis. You are seriously bad at this. Fortunately flat earth is disprovable beyond mere “where is the evidence”



As far as I can see the earth is flat. Is it different with you?
 
I don't know what I think. I'd prefer to wait for Trump to speak on it before deciding.

Regards
MAGA
 
Just the fact that this is up for debate is a very damning statement on our education system.
 
Yes. And I have my personal observations to back up my Flat Earth thesis. My theory remains True until proven False. And I have not lived for centuries.






1st. How did you come about with the conclusion I am a hologram?








Easy easy. I disagree with you that the earth can be round and flat at the same

Hi Juin,

Good luck in your life. I am wasting my time. I know people with down syndrome that look like professors compared to you.

Joey
 
Hi Juin,

Good luck in your life. I am wasting my time. I know people with down syndrome that look like professors compared to you.

Joey

Ouch. lol
Yes. And I have my personal observations to back up my Flat Earth thesis. My theory remains True until proven False. And I have not lived for centuries.
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As Joey said, this is a waste of time. Personally I think you're just gaslighting us.
 
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