Is suffering meaningless to atheists?

[zyzygy]

You asked if atheists don't care about human suffering and if it's meaningless to them. It's incredibly insulting and pointed.

Valery is given to posting nonsense.

 

[blarg]

Swwwoooossshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

then explain why do you need a strict moral code if you dont have any problems?

hows creating all your problems in the 1st place so that you can then solve them not insane?

 

[blarg]

You asked if atheists don't care about human suffering and if it's meaningless to them. It's incredibly insulting and pointed.

i dont get that from reading the op

seems to me what was being asked is if atheist believe there's a point to suffering some purpose it serves

 

[Aletheia]

I've been told that human suffering is unnecessary, that if God is the loving God He claims to be, He would eliminate all human suffering...what they don't stop to realize is, that would be much like a parent who bails his child out of trouble every time he does something wrong...what type of lesson is that parent teaching his child and what type of child is that parent creating? One with no integrity...with no ability to make the right decisions in life...an immature, spoiled brat who literally thinks he can get away with murder...

If I had the power to do so, I would absolutely end suffering for children. So afflicting a child with cancer or cerebral palsy is a worthwhile method to keep them out of trouble? You have this spare the rod, spoil the child mentality. But, I can tell you it goes both ways. Frequently berating and lambasting a child for questionable behavior can severely hinder them in life.

 

[Daisy]

then explain why do you need a strict moral code if you dont have any problems?

hows creating all your problems in the 1st place so that you can then solve them not insane?

I have no idea what you're even asking...

 

[Daisy]

If I had the power to do so, I would absolutely end suffering for children. So afflicting a child with cancer or cerebral palsy is a worthwhile method to keep them out of trouble? You have this spare the rod, spoil the child mentality. But, I can tell you it goes both ways. Berating and lambasting a child for questionable behavior can severely hinder them in life.

My comment was addressing who/what caused pain and suffering in the 1st place...Satan, Adam and Eve rejecting God's direction by rebelling...in due time, God will end pain and suffering once and for all...right now, this is Satan's world...1 John 5:19...

 

[blarg]

I have no idea what you're even asking...

you say god not creating suffering would be like spoiling a child

a child's only spoiled if there behavior hurts others or themselves that's why we need self control some things we want can hurt us at times

so why create those conditions of harm in the 1st place? it seems like that would be inventing a problem in order to solve it

 

[Daisy]

you say god not creating suffering would be like spoiling a child

a child's only spoiled if there behavior hurts others or themselves that's why we need self control some things we want can hurt us at times

so why create those conditions of harm in the 1st place? it seems like that would be inventing a problem in order to solve it

No, I'm not, God did not create it, man's rebellion did...sin hurts us...always has, always will...

 

[zyzygy]

you say god not creating suffering would be like spoiling a child

a child's only spoiled if there behavior hurts others or themselves that's why we need self control some things we want can hurt us at times

so why create those conditions of harm in the 1st place? it seems like that would be inventing a problem in order to solve it

God would spoil children by not giving them cancer?

 

[blarg]

My comment was addressing who/what caused pain and suffering in the 1st place...Satan, Adam and Eve rejecting God's direction by rebelling...in due time, God will end pain and suffering once and for all...right now, this is Satan's world...1 John 5:19...

if your all powerful and you created the conditions for surfing to exist like in this case if someone doesn't do what you want . then you have created suffering

i cant create you design you to be poisoned by a substance that i also created hand you the poisson and tell you not to eat it ( while making it seem tasty ) then create someone else to tell you to eat the poison and then blame you for poisoning yourself

 

[Daisy]

if your all powerful and you created the conditions for surfing to exist like in this case if someone doesn't do what you want . then you have created suffering

i cant create you design you to be poisoned by a substance that i also created hand you the poisson and tell you not to eat it ( while making it seem tasty ) then create someone else to tell you to eat the poison and then blame you for poisoning yourself

The same with a parent/child relationship...the parent sets rules, the child breaks them and has to suffer the consequences...that is not difficult to comprehend, is it?

 

[blarg]

God would spoil children by not giving them cancer?

no it would be sadistic for god to create cancer.

since we have cancer its a bad idea to do things that make you more likely to develop cancer

but messing around with things that are carcinogens if you did not have to worry about cancer would not be bad

so it would be strange to make things cancer causing just so you can tell people to avoid them

 

[Daisy]

no it would be sadistic for god to create cancer.

since we have cancer its a bad idea to do things that make you more likely to develop cancer

but messing around with things that are carcinogens if you did not have to worry about cancer would not be bad

so it would be strange to make things cancer causing just so you can tell people to avoid them

Sin/imperfection of the flesh created cancer...

 

[zyzygy]

no it would be sadistic for god to create cancer.

since we have cancer its a bad idea to do things that make you more likely to develop cancer
but messing around with things that are carcinogens if you did not have to worry about cancer would not be bad

so it would be strange to make things cancer causing just so you can tell people to avoid them

Why does he do it? He is supposed to be omnipotent.

 

[zyzygy]

You should watch the movie Carrie, someday.

Which rules has a six-year-old dying of cancer broken?

 

[blarg]

The same with a parent/child relationship...the parent sets rules, the child breaks them and has to suffer the consequences...that is not difficult to comprehend, is it?

human parents set rules for behavior because they don't set rules for reality itself

you don't let a child stick metal into an outlet because that hurts them and it probably not good for your wall sockets and your limited resources either


they dont design their kids to be vulnerable to electricity and cut of infinite resources so they can make health and resource preserving rules

because there not all powerful and because if you wear that would be bat**** crazy if you cared about you kids

 

[blarg]

Why does he do it? He is supposed to be omnipotent.

as far as i can tell there's no god and we have cancer because dna doesn't always replicate perfectly less harmful mutations also being how dna based life has evolved


its not omnipotence that would prevent a god from making cancer its benevolence

 

[blarg]

Sin/imperfection of the flesh created cancer...

not if god is all powerful and all knowing

since it would have had to design the imperfection in

 

[blarg]

No, I'm not, God did not create it, man's rebellion did...sin hurts us...always has, always will...

if you design things to happen under certain circumstances that you also designed you made those things happen

if your all powerful and you design people to be hurt if they disobey you then you designed that hurt

now if god can't control what hurts people thats different

 

[Daisy]

if you design things to happen under certain circumstances that you also designed you made those things happen

if your all powerful and you design people to be hurt if they disobey you then you designed that hurt

now if god can't control what hurts people thats different

The same way a parent can keep bailing an unruly child out of trouble, right? The child learns nothing...

 

[blarg]

The same way a parent can keep bailing an unruly child out of trouble, right? The child learns nothing...

whats the point of creating trouble in the 1st place?

 

[Daisy]

whats the point of creating trouble in the 1st place?

Let me ask you something...do you comprehend the point of this Mark Twain quote?

“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”

 

[jimbo]

Indifference to suffering is not predicated on religious and non-religious lines. There are many examples of religious people being not only indifferent to suffering, but are the actual cause of it. The meaning of suffering is silly when its the causes of such that matters to a typical Atheist.

Atheists simply doubt the existence of a God, or question the possibility of a God. Other than that there's no difference between Atheists or the mainstream. Some are indifferent, some are not.

 

[blarg]

Let me ask you something...do you comprehend the point of this Mark Twain quote?

“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”

the boy sees his father as being more wise all along as he gains wisdom from experience himself

now answer my question

what's the point of creating trouble in the 1st place?

 

[zyzygy]

the boy sees his father as being more wise all along as he gains wisdom from experience himself

now answer my question

what's the point of creating trouble in the 1st place?

God is a psychopath?