Is Racism Right-Wing

[bomberfox]

In all seriousness it is getting tougher to be a white person, especially a white male.

In the last few years I have personally seen more hatred and racism among the black community than ever before. I even know a business owner who refuses to hire anyone who isn't black. He somehow gets a pass for his racism, but if a white business owner refused to hire blacks or other minorities, he'd face all kinds of legal action.

In a perfect world there would be no racism, no sexism, no hatred, no prejudice, no discrimination whatsoever. But we don't live in a perfect world, and discrimination of some kind has always existed and unfortunately always will.

Whites dont suffer systemic oppression based on the color of their skin. As a white person, i am not stopped and frisked, i am not denied opportunities because of my skin, i am not thought of as a thug, i am not met when i speak up about something with “i why dont you do something about all of those white nationalist terrorists, or why are white people shooting up so many schools? I do not suffer any systemic racism. There are things like having a high functioning form of autism and being bisexual that would make neo nazis and the klan a threat to me personally but there are no systemic injustices that i face because of white skin color.

 

[bomberfox]

I'd say constantly bleating about race, as the left do, is racist. It looks for problems between races then exaggerates them for political purposes. The left want to drive a wedge between black and white people, whilst it pretends to be righting wrongs. This blm situation will not end well, many normal people are getting sick of it and sooner or later it will cause a reaction.

Its actually causing a lot of changes so i see it ending pretty well actually.

 

[bomberfox]

It's a leftist tactic to try to close down arguments against their nonsense.

You are not being closed down, this is a forum grow some thicker skin eh?

 

[bomberfox]

But most people have worked out that accusations like that are meaningless. I have no white privilege in my life, most of my ancestors were used as cheap labour..and by cheap I mean barely having enough to eat.

People like you look at a few rich white people from the past and assume all white people shared in the wealth and "privilege". Utter delusion from the left, like I said , you've probably got to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder to buy into it....in your case a bit of a boulder lol.

Ive already given plenty of examples

 

[Decypher]

Well it's nonsense because it is clear that many black people do have a chip on their shoulder (meaning they are convinced white people are responsible for their position), they really believe white people are holding them back and that white culture encourages this. White guilt is really only held by materially well off white people ...they feel guilty about their easy, meaningless lives so look for meaning by pretending to care about black people's economic/social situation.

Being angry about the past is about as stupid as it gets... the Normans may well have created a certain privilege for other Normans that stretch out to this day...I seriously don't give a **** , life is never fair, get over it because the socialist "cure" is worse than the problem.

Another post with no facts but lots of feelings. It may be clear to you that black people have a chip on their shoulder but you haven't convinced me. Have you considered that white people that are concerned with the plight of black people are doing so out of empathy rather than because of a lack of meaning in their lives? That is certainly the case with me.

Anger at the past isn't necessarily but knowledge of the past is certainly vital to understanding the world today and to avoid repeating the same mistakes. Not sure why you dragged socialism into the discussion, its a red herring I'm afraid.

 

[Big Eye]

Its actually causing a lot of changes so i see it ending pretty well actually.

Only time will tell, but a lot of people are getting angry...not just black people that think they're oppressed either.

 

[Big Eye]

You are not being closed down, this is a forum grow some thicker skin eh?

I'm fine mate, I like a good "scrap".

 

[Samwise]

Another post with no facts but lots of feelings. It may be clear to you that black people have a chip on their shoulder but you haven't convinced me. Have you considered that white people that are concerned with the plight of black people are doing so out of empathy rather than because of a lack of meaning in their lives? That is certainly the case with me.

Anger at the past isn't necessarily but knowledge of the past is certainly vital to understanding the world today and to avoid repeating the same mistakes. Not sure why you dragged socialism into the discussion, its a red herring I'm afraid.

"Black people"?? What are those? Are they people?

 

[Decypher]

"Black people"?? What are those? Are they people?

Asking silly questions isn't using the Socratic method. It's just a child asking why the sky is blue.

 

[Samwise]

Asking silly questions isn't using the Socratic method. It's just a child asking why the sky is blue.

Not sure about this tostados method of yours. And yet you can't explain about these "black people" you refer to

 

[Big Eye]

Another post with no facts but lots of feelings. It may be clear to you that black people have a chip on their shoulder but you haven't convinced me. Have you considered that white people that are concerned with the plight of black people are doing so out of empathy rather than because of a lack of meaning in their lives? That is certainly the case with me.

Anger at the past isn't necessarily but knowledge of the past is certainly vital to understanding the world today and to avoid repeating the same mistakes. Not sure why you dragged socialism into the discussion, its a red herring I'm afraid.

The left is always talking about "facts" but this is all feeling, the "facts" are skewed to fit the agenda..the agenda is emotionally driven. You don't go out and trash a city because some "fact" says that there is systemic white racism (such a thing does not exist ...no one I know wants to hold black people back), you trash a city because you're angry or looking for some easy loot.It completely emotional .

All this "learning from the past" is a leftist trope, the past is often twisted to fit the agenda. The past was hard, far harder than modern people can contemplate, things that were acceptable then are still acceptable then.

 

[Decypher]

The left is always talking about "facts" but this is all feeling, the "facts" are skewed to fit the agenda..the agenda is emotionally driven. You don't go out and trash a city because some "fact" says that there is systemic white racism (such a thing does not exist ...no one I know wants to hold black people back), you trash a city because you're angry or looking for some easy loot.It completely emotional .

All this "learning from the past" is a leftist trope, the past is often twisted to fit the agenda. The past was hard, far harder than modern people can contemplate, things that were acceptable then are still acceptable then.

You keep taking about the left but that is another of your favoured red herrings. Left or right has nothing to do with this conversation unless you think that only those on the left have empathy for the marginalized in society. You've also managed to mix the protests and the riots together. The protests are a reaction to yet another instance of police brutality against an unarmed black man resulting in his death. You claim there is no systematic racism because you say you don't know anyone who might do such a thing. I'm glad Portsmouth is such a utopia of racial harmony but that is not the case in many places in America and I would suggest in the larger cites in the UK.

You've also now claimed that wishing to learn from history is also a "leftist trope". So to sum up, leftism in your view is concerned with fairness, empathy and education and that's a bad thing in your view. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of conservatism if you ask me.

 

[Big Eye]

The left are the driving force behind the protests/riots, those being driven are the useful idiots. As I have said the left plays a game of pretending to care about a supposed injustice in order to sow division , their aim is not unity, far from it. Things like "fairness" and "empathy" are in the eye of the beholder, I don't see such things at these "protests". They had "education" in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia too, education need not be the same thing as truth.

There is nothing in the Western world that a black person could not aspire to and reach (given the ability), a man with black ancestors even became the most powerful human being on the planet. There is obviously no systemic racism or that could have never happened.

 

[Moot]

I am guessing that makes cops smarter than the BLM protesters.

That's debatable. Police using brutality at a protest against police brutality doesn't strike me as very intelligent.

 

[Big Eye]

That's debatable. Police using brutality at a protest against police brutality doesn't strike me as very intelligent.

I don't know what "brutality" you're alluding to but conflating "force" with "brutality" would be a standard leftist word swap.

 

[dcaraz]

Is Racism Right or Left-Wing?

I am so sorry you've lost your mind somewhere along the way.

 

[Chagos]

I don't know what "brutality" you're alluding to but conflating "force" with "brutality" would be a standard leftist word swap.

So you're not really here to debate, but rather to throw inane sound-bites all around you, in a feeble attempt to sell them as argument.

Incidentally: You may have meant "confusing", rather than "conflating".

Simply because"conflating" force with brutality would make both pretty much the same.

 

[dcaraz]

I don't know what "brutality" you're alluding to but conflating "force" with "brutality" would be a standard leftist word swap.

When folks equate cops pushing demonstrators to the pavement causing brain bleeds, smacking them with nightsticks, and blinding some with rubber bullets as "force" we understand that
that person has likely never met with a "brutal" cop.

 

[dcaraz]

That's debatable. Police using brutality at a protest against police brutality doesn't strike me as very intelligent.

Exactly! If our police professionals aren't forced to revamp their understanding about their function to maintain a more peaceful society,
we are likely to see even more civil unrest, property destruction, and out-of-control violence.

Trump is such a total tool that he can only react to this explosive new reality by calling in the Panzer Division.
Solve centuries of oppressive police discrimination against the black population by flooding the streets of every city with law enforcement in riot gear, with chemical weapon launchers.

That will teach them...

That Black Lives only really matter on Spotify, in the NFL, NBA, NCAA, and in Hollywood.

 

[Cassandra]

Although I think both left-wingers and right-wingers can hold racist views (and frequently do), the question I am asking is, would you define racism itself as left or right? Right-wingers can hold left-wing beliefs, and vice versa. But would racism fit more as a left-wing or right-wing belief?
I honestly don't know, and there probably isn't an answer - the political spectrum is quite blurred when it comes to issues like this.

I think racism is clearly found more openly in the Republican party. The reasons for it are:
1) lingering racism of the South and the "Southern strategy" employed by Repubs ever since Nixon became POTUS.
2) Rural voters lean Repub/conservative. Rural voters simply experience less cultural & racial diversity in their lives and as adults are more likely to fear change. There is no substitute for developing friendships and acquaintances of different backgrounds and races. It is relatively easy for people to dehumanize the stranger. This is not to say that liberals are immune- just more likely to be ashamed of racist impulses.

 

[dcaraz]

The left are the driving force behind the protests/riots, those being driven are the useful idiots. As I have said the left plays a game of pretending to care about a supposed injustice in order to sow division , their aim is not unity, far from it. Things like "fairness" and "empathy" are in the eye of the beholder, I don't see such things at these "protests". They had "education" in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia too, education need not be the same thing as truth.

There is nothing in the Western world that a black person could not aspire to and reach (given the ability), a man with black ancestors even became the most powerful human being on the planet. There is obviously no systemic racism or that could have never happened.

Thank you for exporting your racist rants to our home-grown American race problem. But you can keep your inane BS there with you in the UK. We already have enough BS here.

 

[dcaraz]

I think racism is clearly found more openly in the Republican party. The reasons for it are:
1) lingering racism of the South and the "Southern strategy" employed by Repubs ever since Nixon became POTUS.
2) Rural voters lean Repub/conservative. Rural voters simply experience less cultural & racial diversity in their lives and as adults are more likely to fear change. There is no substitute for developing friendships and acquaintances of different backgrounds and races. It is relatively easy for people to dehumanize the stranger. This is not to say that liberals are immune- just more likely to be ashamed of racist impulses.

I can't agree with your premise. While you make two points that may attribute to racist beliefs, Racism in itself is not a political concept or belief.
Racist beliefs can be held by persons of any political persuasion.
Racism is the dislike, contempt, or hatred of persons BECAUSE they are of a different race, ethnicity or culture.

I have know liberals who held racist opinions. I have worked with liberal New Yorkers who held racist beliefs toward Puerto Ricans.

 

[dcaraz]

You keep taking about the left but that is another of your favoured red herrings. Left or right has nothing to do with this conversation unless you think that only those on the left have empathy for the marginalized in society. You've also managed to mix the protests and the riots together. The protests are a reaction to yet another instance of police brutality against an unarmed black man resulting in his death. You claim there is no systematic racism because you say you don't know anyone who might do such a thing. I'm glad Portsmouth is such a utopia of racial harmony but that is not the case in many places in America and I would suggest in the larger cites in the UK.

You've also now claimed that wishing to learn from history is also a "leftist trope". So to sum up, leftism in your view is concerned with fairness, empathy and education and that's a bad thing in your view. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of conservatism if you ask me.

Big Eye is an idiot who wants to export his racist rants and his distaste for left-leaning folks. Like we don't already have enough of THAT here.

 

[dcaraz]

Whites dont suffer systemic oppression based on the color of their skin. As a white person, i am not stopped and frisked, i am not denied opportunities because of my skin, i am not thought of as a thug, i am not met when i speak up about something with “i why dont you do something about all of those white nationalist terrorists, or why are white people shooting up so many schools? I do not suffer any systemic racism. There are things like having a high functioning form of autism and being bisexual that would make neo nazis and the klan a threat to me personally but there are no systemic injustices that i face because of white skin color.

Thanks for making that point clear. I know Indie Guy is speaking about the reverse racist actions that many blacks take because they are fed up with the assumptions they must deal with.
No one likes being treated unfairly. I am a Christian an remind myself often that Jesus teaches us to treat everyone as we would want to be treated. It is very difficult for me when someone is ass hole.

 

[Decypher]

Big Eye is an idiot who wants to export his racist rants and his distaste for left-leaning folks. Like we don't already have enough of THAT here.

The closet racists amongst us have shown their true colours over the last week or so. They’ve joined forces with the overt racists to create a pretty toxic environment. The lack of empathy and understanding is really depressing