Is Racism Right-Wing

[dcaraz]

I agree. The most harmful racists are those people who think they have no racism.

I don't know about that. I am must concerned about the racists who are intent on burning me at the stake, testing their Beretta on me or pressing their knee on my neck. Just saying.

 

[dcaraz]

No side or group has a monopoly on hate and bigotry.

Perfectly said! You get the door prize.

 

[dcaraz]

Racist seem to be attracted to the right. Is it because they cater to them? Trump certainly has.

Again, racists come in all political stripes. Nazi right-wing racism flourished in the 1900s. But so did American racist hate of the Chinese in the 1800s and the Japanese in the 1900s.
I am not sure of the political leanings of the slave traders that plundered Africa in the 1500s and 1600s and 1700s,
or the Conquistadors who murdered indigenous peoples, or the Egyptians who enslaved the Jews.

 

[haymarket]

The word "Race" is more inflammatory than culture. So it's fair enough to prefer one culture to another, but once the left ties culture to race it makes it very hard to argue, for instance, that black culture is mainly responsible for black underachievement.

And since we are talking about Americans, why do you think black culture developed differently than white culture - assuming this is true?

Why would some African Americans develop a predisposition to under achievement - assuming this is true?

 

[Bullseye]

Probably because they are all so tepid. It is interesting to note that when he received his award and Bennett College, the students were put on lockdown. Apparently many seemed to disagree with it. His speech, upon receiving the award, focused on the Mueller investigation.

LOL, and . . .?

 

[Cassandra]

I can't agree with your premise. While you make two points that may attribute to racist beliefs, Racism in itself is not a political concept or belief.
Racist beliefs can be held by persons of any political persuasion.
Racism is the dislike, contempt, or hatred of persons BECAUSE they are of a different race, ethnicity or culture.

I have know liberals who held racist opinions. I have worked with liberal New Yorkers who held racist beliefs toward Puerto Ricans.

Racism is not a political construct per se, but there are character traits that sociologist/psychologists have determined to be more closely associated with conservatism and other qualities are more closely associated with liberalism. Of course, there is no hard and fast rule but GENERALLY, liberals/dems place qualities such as justice above qualities like loyalty. Liberals, more frequently than conservatives, are likely to marry and make friendships outside their "tribe". Conservatives as the name implies are more resistant to change. Liberals are more embracing of change (including changing demographics).

 

[Cassandra]

I can't agree with your premise. While you make two points that may attribute to racist beliefs, Racism in itself is not a political concept or belief.
Racist beliefs can be held by persons of any political persuasion.
Racism is the dislike, contempt, or hatred of persons BECAUSE they are of a different race, ethnicity or culture.

I have know liberals who held racist opinions. I have worked with liberal New Yorkers who held racist beliefs toward Puerto Ricans.

Racism is not a political construct per se, but there are character traits that sociologist/psychologists have determined to be more closely associated with conservatism and other qualities are more closely associated with liberalism. Of course, there is no hard and fast rule but GENERALLY, liberals/dems place qualities such as justice above qualities like loyalty. Liberals, more frequently than conservatives, are likely to marry and make friendships outside their "tribe". Conservatives as the name implies are more resistant to change. Liberals are more embracing of change (including changing demographics).

 

[Big Eye]

When folks equate cops pushing demonstrators to the pavement causing brain bleeds, smacking them with nightsticks, and blinding some with rubber bullets as "force" we understand that
that person has likely never met with a "brutal" cop.

It's almost as if you are saying the all the "protesters" are peaceful, that the police should just step aside and let them trash cities.

 

[Aberration]

Racism is not a political construct per se, but there are character traits that sociologist/psychologists have determined to be more closely associated with conservatism and other qualities are more closely associated with liberalism. Of course, there is no hard and fast rule but GENERALLY, liberals/dems place qualities such as justice above qualities like loyalty. Liberals, more frequently than conservatives, are likely to marry and make friendships outside their "tribe". Conservatives as the name implies are more resistant to change. Liberals are more embracing of change (including changing demographics).

And conveniently all those supposed sociologists/psychologists happen to be rabidly left wing... [emoji849]

 

[Big Eye]

And conveniently all those supposed sociologists/psychologists happen to be rabidly left wing... [emoji849]

This is a recurring problem , the "facts" on any given subject are being generated by left-wing "intellectuals", they've literally hijacked the sciences (especially social sciences) to their cause.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Perhaps not all right-wingers are racist, but all racists are right-wing... at least when it comes to race.

I take it that you have never been to Boston?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Racism is not a political construct per se, but there are character traits that sociologist/psychologists have determined to be more closely associated with conservatism and other qualities are more closely associated with liberalism. Of course, there is no hard and fast rule but GENERALLY, liberals/dems place qualities such as justice above qualities like loyalty. Liberals, more frequently than conservatives, are likely to marry and make friendships outside their "tribe". Conservatives as the name implies are more resistant to change. Liberals are more embracing of change (including changing demographics).

Social justice warriors have been practicing shifting of definitions for the past 50 years.

 

[Marrybore]

So Blacks, Browns and all others can be racists also. Basing any of this on Left or Right ideology is just an attempt at labeling.

True, I suppose. But racism is such a big problem at the moment because it's so easily directed at minorities. And these minorities receive so much racism that they know what it's like, and so there aren't nearly as many black racists as white racists.

 

[roguenuke]

Racism actually started with the left. . . The early KKK (post Civil War) members were democrats.

"Democrats relied on the Klan to secure election victories, as Klansmen oftentimes threatened or killed competing Republican candidates. Many southern Republicans actually abandoned their campaigns due to the inability to hold meetings and attract voters while living in constant fear."

The First KKK (article) | Reconstruction | Khan Academy

But over a hundred years racism balanced out, and today racism has both the left and the right.

Except this assumes all Democrats have always leaned left. That isnt true. The Party itself has not always had the same lean. To make it even more complicated though, prior to mass media, Democrats from different regions leaned different ways. That is the problem with identity politics, it doesn't represent what reality, especially not when trying to use it to describe people now vs then.

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[Marrybore]

Racism is collectivist rather than individualistic, hence generally placed on the left side of the political spectrum.
This may come as a surprise to both those people who proudly consider themselves racist, and those who proudly couldn't imagine themselves to be.

Smart people OTOH always knew that generalizations are a tool for abstract thouth rather than absolute truth. Even if some of them occasionally forget.

On the other hand, many individuals are racists not because they feel some kind of "unity" with others of their race, but rather they are racist merely for selfish, individualistic reasons, which leftists deplore.

 

[American]

I agree. The most harmful racists are those people who think they have no racism.

No, the most harmful are those that act on it.

 

[roguenuke]

I agree, but an individualist is much less likely to be a racist than a collectivist.

Left wing is far more likely to be individualist than rightwing.

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Conservatives are much more likely to push for conformity (pushing religion or religious morality enforcement on all), whereas liberals are much more likely to be for individual freedoms.

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[Marrybore]

Marrybone:

The question is badly worded. Racism is to be found in both right-wing and left-wing movements so the answer to your question is, "Not either but rather both.".

However, the degree and the ferocity of racism is what varies from one end of the spectrum to the other. In present-day America the overt racism is more prevalent on the right side of the political spectrum while the low-level implicit racism is about the same across the political divide.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

I agree, Evelynruddy, and I think this is why here is a belief that racism is right-wing, more than that it is left-wing, as shown by this poll at the moment. But I think you've got it right.

 

[Marrybore]

I think racism is clearly found more openly in the Republican party. The reasons for it are:
1) lingering racism of the South and the "Southern strategy" employed by Repubs ever since Nixon became POTUS.
2) Rural voters lean Repub/conservative. Rural voters simply experience less cultural & racial diversity in their lives and as adults are more likely to fear change. There is no substitute for developing friendships and acquaintances of different backgrounds and races. It is relatively easy for people to dehumanize the stranger. This is not to say that liberals are immune- just more likely to be ashamed of racist impulses.

Interesting point. Everyone may be racist, but who is more ashamed of being so?

 

[it's just me]

What's your definition of racism?

If he doesn't like it, it must be racist....

 

[HK.227]

On the other hand, many individuals are racists not because they feel some kind of "unity" with others of their race, but rather they are racist merely for selfish, individualistic reasons, which leftists deplore.

Truth.
However, I would define that as selfishness rather than any real ideological belief, much like how a selfish individual may promote collectivist causes purely for their own personal gain.

 

[roguenuke]

Interesting point. Everyone may be racist, but who is more ashamed of being so?

I dont agree that everyone is racist (I also think racism is used wrong as a word by people on both sides of the political spectrum). I do think everyone holds racial prejudices, both negative and positive (which can still have some negative effects).

But all sides of the political spectrum have racists among them. And honestly, I dont think either right or left is ashamed because the problem is that most individual racists are not ashamed of those views and many on their side dismiss those views as either not racist or "they don't really belong to our group". They may be ashamed of the racism they perceive from others who belong to a different, other-than-political group they belong to though.

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[Marrybore]

If he doesn't like it, it must be racist....

The other way around.

 

[Marrybore]

Truth.
However, I would define that as selfishness rather than any real ideological belief, much like how a selfish individual may promote collectivist causes purely for their own personal gain.

One of the reasons that I'm a Liberal is (no offence), I view many Conservatives as having the political lean that they do merely because they're selfish, even if they don't know it. And most Liberal policies are quite frankly, compassionate. Of course now people are going to tell me I'm fooling myself, but the policies themselves seem to me to be like that. Many Conservatives are Conservatives because they feel entitlement, whereas many Liberals go the opposite direction and try to get society to accept minorities and prevent discrimination. Liberals 100 years ago were generally more inclined to support acceptance of homosexuality than conservatives (which is still the case today, but many conservatives nowadays now have accepted homosexuality).
I'm not going to get into "which is better, Left or Right", but I will say that to me motives for racism is an interesting parallel to the motives people have to be individualistically Conservative.

 

[Gondwanaland]

Is Racism Right or Left-Wing?

It's something very much on both sides of the fence. You've got your stereotypical white dudes on the right who hate other races (blacks, latinos, asians, jews, etc.) and tend toward white nationalist and neonazi groups. On the left you have plenty of blacks who hate whites, Asians, latinos, and Jews, etc.. And even more bizarrely on the left you have quite a few whites who hate their own race. And we could go on and on of examples on both sides.