Is Mass Deportation a Serious Policy Position?

[shrubnose]

the bad news is that would be too ambitious to undertake

the good news is that we do not need to

we revise how we manage things so that they leave on their own because they are no longer eligible for ANY government assistance
when their children cannot attend school, because e-verify shows they are not anchor babies, the parents will take their kids back home
when they cannot obtain a driver's license, because they do not e-verify, they will have to be reliant on mass transit, or others, or risk deportation for driving unlicensed and getting caught
when they cannot qualify for food stamps, being unable to pass e-verify, they will be hungry
when they cannot receive routine medical care at emergency rooms, because e-verify says they do not qualify, they will have to pay for their routine medical needs. *life saving medical attention should still be provided to any and all
and when they cannot find employment, being unable to pass e-verify, they cannot earn an income. presently, employers do not use e-verify because they want the low priced labor. to overcome that reluctance to use e-verify, we must implement a rewards system for those who report undocumented workers. if a co-worker - or any other person - reports a illegal alien who is working, the (former) INS will investigate the tip. if it is confirmed the undocumented alien is employed the employer will be heavily fined. and that fine will go to the person who notified the government of the illegal hire
once a paid bounty program is implemented, reporting illegals will become a cottage industry. and it will be so expensive for employers to continue to hire illegals that they discontinue that illicit - but now unenforced - behavior
being unable to qualify for public assistance, to drive, to receive routine medical care, to work, to do anything but spend whatever cash they have accrued, the undocumented aliens will no longer have an economic reason to remain in the USA illegitimately
that whooosh sound you hear will be the caravan of their cars headed south of the border

no need to deport 11 million. make living in the USA illegally an unsound economic proposition

Not going to happen.

Wait and see.

It's a lot easier to dream up plans than it is to implement them.

 

[shrubnose]

Your post is just silly

.

Everything that you post is silly.

"What goes around, comes around."

 

[natsb]

Not going to happen.

Wait and see.

It's a lot easier to dream up plans than it is to implement them.

Wow, you've got the Eeyore thing down pat.

Fortunately, there are plenty of people who take action instead of singing praises of despair. While President Trump is building the wall, you are, of course, free to wait and see.

 

[shrubnose]

it's going to happen. Believe it. The damage has been too great.

You'll never see free beer and you'll never see mass deportations.

You're living in a dream world.

 

[justabubba]

Not going to happen.

Wait and see.

It's a lot easier to dream up plans than it is to implement them.

*rant on*
i am hopeful, saint ronnie of the raygun, patron of all things thought good and conservative, who screwed our nation over by conferring citizenship upon those who flaunted our nation's immigration laws, will be found to have been a fraud
and we will use another method to rid our country of those who illegally reside here















you're right ... i'm dreaming
the billionaires who own this nation will make sure they have access to cheap labor, no matter the related costs of housing, feeding, educating, and providing health care for them. those expenses will be borne by the middle class while the rich profit from the under-market-priced undocumented employees
at least we still have the best government money can buy
*rant off*

 

[Dirt Racer]

Hell we can't even find all the Emails Hillary is hiding, how are we ever going to find and deport that many illegals? With others I believe we should dry up the job opportunities they have here and force those on welfare to work those jobs if they want welfare.

 

[shrubnose]

Whatever it takes, they have to go. Whining that "We can't do it, we're just helpless" isn't going to get it done and isn't how Americans work.

It's a simple task that could be accomplished by private industry.

Eisenhower sent a million back sixty years ago.

Eisenhower has been dead and buried for 46 years but maybe you could dig him up, zombify him, and put him to work.

:lol:

 

[shrubnose]

Wow, you've got the Eeyore thing down pat.

Fortunately, there are plenty of people who take action instead of singing praises of despair.

While President Trump is building the wall, you are, of course, free to wait and see.

As I have already said there will never be a President Trump or a wall.

But keep dreaming.

 

[Van Basten]

It's serious, but it's not a good idea.

One of the reasons I was happy Obama set perimeters for some illegal immigrants staying is because what the **** are we sending them back to?

Do we really want to destabilize what's left of the Mexican nation-state, the one that shares our border and is one of our largest trading partners?

What about Guatemala and Honduras? Those people are willing to settle in Mexico illegally to get away from their homelands, again, in Mexico.

I'm fine with some deportations, but mass deportation of millions isn't playing the long game with wisdom, it's the exact opposite.

Better to decimate the flow of new illegal immigrants into the country and only deport the most troublesome and newest cases.

 

[jamesrage]

Is Mass Deportation a Serious Policy Position? Meaning is it politically, economically and physically a realistic position that could actually be implemented?

Most people saying it is not a serious position are nothing more than amnesty supporters who want everyone here illegally to get amnesty or some form of legalization. Mass deportation has been done in the past twice with Mexican Repatriation and Operation Wetback.Both of those were successful programs. So yes it is a serious policy. It needs to be done with securing the border so they can not come back in and the following things bellow need to be implemented in order to encourage those already here illegally to leave and further deter future illegal immigration-




1.Crack down on the scum who hire illegals.Treat them no different than we do drug dealers and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegal activities.

2. In order to get any ID or driver's license you present a birth certificate( in rare cases a non-availability birth certificate where it has been investigated that the individual was born in the US), green card, or certificate of naturalization and social security card.After that require a state issued ID or driver's license in order to the following-

-enroll yourself into school
-enroll your minor kids into school
-apply for welfare,food stamps,section 8 housing and any other tax payer assistance for yourself and or your children
-get a business license,fishing/hunting permit,building permit, license to practice law, food handlers permit, gun license(in states that require a permit to buy a gun),concealed carry permit(in states that require a license to conceal carry) or any other tax payer funded service
-open a bank account, cash a check, use a credit/debit/pre-paid card, apply for a loan,or wire money.
-rent,borrow,lease or buy property
-rent,borrow,lease or buy a motor vehicle.
-get legal documents for yourself or your children.
-get utilities
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3.Mandate E-verify for every employer.

4.Repeal part of the immigration and nationality act of 1965 that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children.This would virtually eliminate anchor babies.

5.Anyone who is caught here illegally will be sent to jail for 6 six months,deported to the furthest place in their country away from ours and permanently denied entry of any form.





Seeing how many of these people here illegally came her on a visa and let it expire we should also cut off visas to citizens of countries we have the most illegal immigration problems with until those numbers go down.

 

[natsb]

As I have already said there will never be a President Trump or a wall.

But keep dreaming.

Here is my dream... It is January 20, 2917, and President Trump is being sworn in. Then we turn to the scene where shrubnose is rubbing his temples repeating: but... but... but... but...

Like you said, lets wait and see.

 

[Helix]

I don't disagree with your first point. I was just pointing out that businesses rely on them because they are cheap, not because they are undocumented. If they could get a documented worker to do the same job, for the same money, the illegal workers would be gone in a heartbeat. The draw is the cost of labor, not the documentation status.

Yes, a work permit would give some much needed protections. It would also set some much needed limits. For instance, when I worked abroad under a work permit, I was not allowed to apply for public assistance in the host country.

i think the fact that undocumented workers have no recourse and that employers are usually shielded by several layers of subcontractors has a lot to do with it, too. it's more than just the cheap price. if we want to address it, we'd have to run every job from dishwasher to CEO through everify, and tell employers that even if the worker is a subcontractor, the on site employer will still be fined for non-compliance. doing that and issuing more work permits would probably help.

 

[Fiddytree]

It's what you call a starter position, just a few hairs shy of being your very own Thomas More.

A more realistic position would be to argue any couple or a few of the following: increase of deportations, verification of workers, harsher penalties of certain key industries known to hire illegal workers, increase ease for those targeted groups we desire to become citizens (i.e. those already going through the process legally), and perhaps at most argue for sanctioning those who are most productive and desirable (long-term residents involved in positive aspects of civil society) despite having been an illegal presence.

That being said, selecting any one of these comes at a heavy financial and bureaucratic cost. Americans (whether they are conservative or liberal) are not fond of being confronted with either of those realities.

 

[shrubnose]

We're not talking about a Hungarian type fence.

We are talking about an Israeli type wall. It is very effective.

If that's what you want, go put it up and you can claim all the credit.

:lol:

 

[Moot]

We're not talking about a Hungarian type fence. We are talking about an Israeli type wall. It is very effective.

It might be effective for a small country....but no so much a big country with 2,000 miles of border. Even more stupid, Trump wants Mexican labor to build it.

 

[molten_dragon]

No, it's every bit as ludicrous as the people who think it's possible to round out 300 million guns and get rid of them.

 

[shrubnose]

Here is my dream... It is January 20, 2917, and President Trump is being sworn in. Then we turn to the scene where shrubnose is rubbing his temples repeating: but... but... but... but...

Like you said, lets wait and see.

Anyone who dreams that hate and fear will win out over hope and change in the USA will be disappointed.

:roll:

The haters are a small minority of the U.S. population and their numbers are shrinking.

Most Americans are decent, caring people who have compassion for others

 

[natsb]

It might be effective for a small country....but no so much a big country with 2,000 miles of border. Even more stupid, Trump wants Mexican labor to build it.

Actually, he wants Mexican money to pay for it. We would use our own labor.

 

[natsb]

Anyone who dreams that hate and fear will win out over hope and change in the USA will be disappointed.

:roll:

The haters are a small minority of the U.S. population and their numbers are shrinking.

Most Americans are decent, caring people who have compassion for others

Moral high ground fallacy – in which one assumes a "holier-than-thou" attitude in an attempt to make oneself look good to win an argument.

Seriously, that card is so tired and old, I am shocked there are people still trying to play it.

Do us a favor, and look up Bizarro World. That would be the world where the people who would destroy our nation by opening the borders, and destroying what is left of our economy, while raising their middle finger to the millions of poor and unemployed here, would be the decent, caring, and compassionate folks you want us all to be.

 

[shrubnose]

Moral high ground fallacy – in which one assumes a "holier-than-thou" attitude in an attempt to make oneself look good to win an argument.

Seriously, that card is so tired and old, I am shocked there are people still trying to play it.

Do us a favor, and look up Bizarro World.

That would be the world where the people who would destroy our nation by opening the borders, and destroying what is left of our economy, while raising their middle finger to the millions of poor and unemployed here, would be the decent, caring, and compassionate folks you want us all to be.

I looked and I saw a lot of far-right xenophobes there who dream that they're going to deport 12 million illegals from the USA all at once.

Not going to happen. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

Wait and see.

:lol:

Bull**** ideas like this are just one of the reasons why the GOP won't be taking over the White House anytime soon.

 

[natsb]

I looked and I saw a lot of far-right xenophobes there who dream that they're going to deport 12 million illegals from the USA all at once.

Not going to happen. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

:lol:

Bull**** ideas like this are just one of the reasons why the GOP won't be taking over the White House anytime soon.

Oops! You appear to be stuck in a loop. Nobody is going to round up anyone. They will leave on their own.

Wait and see.

Nope, you can wait and see. I will be on the team making things happen.

 

[shrubnose]

Oops! You appear to be stuck in a loop.

Nobody is going to round up anyone. They will leave on their own.

Nope, you can wait and see. I will be on the team making things happen.

Keep dreaming. They're happy where they are and they're not leaving anytime soon.

Wait and see.

The only way that Donald Trump will ever see the inside of the White House is as a guest and I seriously doubt that he'll be invited anytime soon.

:lamo

 

[justabubba]

Actually, he wants Mexican money to pay for it. We would use our own labor.

trump wall would be just as effective as was trump university

Donald Trump still battling lawsuits from defunct Trump University - Jul. 24, 2015

 

[JumpinJack]

Is Mass Deportation a Serious Policy Position? Meaning is it politically, economically and physically a realistic position that could actually be implemented?

It's political rhetoric. No politician, Trump or any of the others, intends on doing that. They're playing to the masses, and appealing particularly to those who are at the "hate" level. As a practical matter, it can't be done. Example: A young couple is here illegally. They have a baby, who is an American citizen. You'd have to deport the two parents...but then do you deport an American citizen? That's illegal under those circumstances. Do you take the baby away and give them to child support services? That's illegal, too!

Are you going to have thousands of trucks peruse the streets of America, asking for papers, and loading up anyone who doesn't have them? Or do you put them on trains? Or how about ships at ports? Then there's all the photographs and videos of people crying in anguish, etc.

No, no one really plans on doing that. But it makes a great soundbite, esp. for the people who aren't bright enough to know that that will never be done. (Trump supporters.)

But what can be done is deport anyone who is picked up for a crime, or gets in an automobile accident where it's his/her fault. Things like that.

 

[Ray410]

It's important for the illegals to actually see the start of serious deportations, regardless of the initial pace of the operation. They just need to know that one day, they will be deported, maybe not today, maybe not this year, but without a doubt their deportation will one day be a certainty.

This knowledge will result in changing their style of living, future plans and will result in a huge urge toward self deportation and this certainty will also help to discourage employers from considering them for any sort of substantial employment.

America owes these people nothing, they have taken so much from our country.