Is manslaughter likely for Zimmerman? | HLNtv.com
Manslaughter, though, is a different ball game all together. To convict Zimmerman of manslaughter, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman acted with culpable negligence the night he shot Martin. Let's take Martin's actions out of the equation for a minute and consider just the decisions that Zimmerman made that night. Here's how the jury could reach that verdict by looking at the totality of Zimmerman's actions:
- He made the decision to get out of the car with a gun, knowing police were on their way
- He followed someone on a dark and rainy night
- He muttered "f---ing punk" and "these a--holes always get away" while following Martin
- He did not identify himself as the neighborhood watch captain when they confronted one another
None of these four facts is disputed. If the jurors add up all the decisions and actions that Zimmerman made that night, they could easily conclude that Zimmerman acted negligently that night and that, if it weren't for his negligence, Martin would still be alive.
If the jury goes down this path, they might not be as amenable to Zimmerman's self-defense claim, because they would have concluded that it was Zimmerman's actions that set the killing into motion; therefore, he should not be able to claim self-defense (that's not the law, but it could happen when the jurors get the case). If that's what the six women on the jury conclude, there will be a manslaughter conviction and Zimmerman will go to jail.
Is manslaughter likely for Zimmerman? | HLNtv.com
Manslaughter, though, is a different ball game all together. To convict Zimmerman of manslaughter, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman acted with culpable negligence the night he shot Martin. Let's take Martin's actions out of the equation for a minute and consider just the decisions that Zimmerman made that night. Here's how the jury could reach that verdict by looking at the totality of Zimmerman's actions:
- He made the decision to get out of the car with a gun, knowing police were on their way
- He followed someone on a dark and rainy night
- He muttered "f---ing punk" and "these a--holes always get away" while following Martin
- He did not identify himself as the neighborhood watch captain when they confronted one another
None of these four facts is disputed. If the jurors add up all the decisions and actions that Zimmerman made that night, they could easily conclude that Zimmerman acted negligently that night and that, if it weren't for his negligence, Martin would still be alive.
If the jury goes down this path, they might not be as amenable to Zimmerman's self-defense claim, because they would have concluded that it was Zimmerman's actions that set the killing into motion; therefore, he should not be able to claim self-defense (that's not the law, but it could happen when the jurors get the case). If that's what the six women on the jury conclude, there will be a manslaughter conviction and Zimmerman will go to jail.
I could see them convicting him of manslaughter because he got out of his car and followed Trayvon. I still think it's iffy though, since GZ said he stopped following Trayvon and started walking back to his car when he was jumped. You just never know.
I won't be surprised if he's convicted of manslaughter. I will be surprised if he gets more than 10 years for it.
Is manslaughter likely for Zimmerman? | HLNtv.com
Manslaughter, though, is a different ball game all together. To convict Zimmerman of manslaughter, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman acted with culpable negligence the night he shot Martin. Let's take Martin's actions out of the equation for a minute and consider just the decisions that Zimmerman made that night. Here's how the jury could reach that verdict by looking at the totality of Zimmerman's actions:
- He made the decision to get out of the car with a gun, knowing police were on their way
- He followed someone on a dark and rainy night
- He muttered "f---ing punk" and "these a--holes always get away" while following Martin
- He did not identify himself as the neighborhood watch captain when they confronted one another
None of these four facts is disputed. If the jurors add up all the decisions and actions that Zimmerman made that night, they could easily conclude that Zimmerman acted negligently that night and that, if it weren't for his negligence, Martin would still be alive.
If the jury goes down this path, they might not be as amenable to Zimmerman's self-defense claim, because they would have concluded that it was Zimmerman's actions that set the killing into motion; therefore, he should not be able to claim self-defense (that's not the law, but it could happen when the jurors get the case). If that's what the six women on the jury conclude, there will be a manslaughter conviction and Zimmerman will go to jail.
I don't see how #1 would contribute to negligence. If you're in a 911 situation just because the police are coming doesn't mean you have to disarm. In fact most people keep and carry guns because of police in-transit times.
Okay, stream of consciousness here.....
I've heard of those tragic events where a parent thinks they hear a burglar at night so they get up with their gun and shoot at who they think is an intruder. It turns out that it's his daughter or son. If he had just stayed in bed, this wouldn't have happened. Should that man be convicted of manslaughter because he got out of bed?
Is manslaughter likely for Zimmerman? | HLNtv.com
Manslaughter, though, is a different ball game all together. To convict Zimmerman of manslaughter, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman acted with culpable negligence the night he shot Martin. Let's take Martin's actions out of the equation for a minute and consider just the decisions that Zimmerman made that night. Here's how the jury could reach that verdict by looking at the totality of Zimmerman's actions:
- He made the decision to get out of the car with a gun, knowing police were on their way
- He followed someone on a dark and rainy night
- He muttered "f---ing punk" and "these a--holes always get away" while following Martin
- He did not identify himself as the neighborhood watch captain when they confronted one another
None of these four facts is disputed. If the jurors add up all the decisions and actions that Zimmerman made that night, they could easily conclude that Zimmerman acted negligently that night and that, if it weren't for his negligence, Martin would still be alive.
If the jury goes down this path, they might not be as amenable to Zimmerman's self-defense claim, because they would have concluded that it was Zimmerman's actions that set the killing into motion; therefore, he should not be able to claim self-defense (that's not the law, but it could happen when the jurors get the case). If that's what the six women on the jury conclude, there will be a manslaughter conviction and Zimmerman will go to jail.
Is manslaughter likely for Zimmerman? | HLNtv.com
Manslaughter, though, is a different ball game all together. To convict Zimmerman of manslaughter, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman acted with culpable negligence the night he shot Martin. Let's take Martin's actions out of the equation for a minute and consider just the decisions that Zimmerman made that night. Here's how the jury could reach that verdict by looking at the totality of Zimmerman's actions:
- He made the decision to get out of the car with a gun, knowing police were on their way
- He followed someone on a dark and rainy night
- He muttered "f---ing punk" and "these a--holes always get away" while following Martin
- He did not identify himself as the neighborhood watch captain when they confronted one another
None of these four facts is disputed. If the jurors add up all the decisions and actions that Zimmerman made that night, they could easily conclude that Zimmerman acted negligently that night and that, if it weren't for his negligence, Martin would still be alive.
If the jury goes down this path, they might not be as amenable to Zimmerman's self-defense claim, because they would have concluded that it was Zimmerman's actions that set the killing into motion; therefore, he should not be able to claim self-defense (that's not the law, but it could happen when the jurors get the case). If that's what the six women on the jury conclude, there will be a manslaughter conviction and Zimmerman will go to jail.
I've been arguing pretty much since the beginning that George Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter.
(Yes, I know that a great many GZ fanboys disagree with that, your objections are noted, and I honestly don't care what you think and won't be debating it, AGAIN, here.)
So if the jury convicted him of the same I'd be gratified, though perhaps a little surprised.
Why surprised?
47% of Americans are collecting government handouts, tens of millions of Americans owe far more than they can ever hope to repay, the divorce rate is about 50%, people don't read the fine print and then act all surprised when their ARM resets and they lose their home, only something like ~30% of Americans have college degrees (and far fewer have useful college degrees) in what has clearly become a technology and information economy.
In short? Americans are idiots.
I expect them to acquit this idiot because they (at least the majority of the jury) are likely idiots.
Someone correct me if I"m wrong, please.
If one is to believe, George Zimmerman "followed" Trayvon Martin the night of the incident, one must ALSO believe, it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, he lied to the NEN operator. On top of that one must believe he lied about the encounter, ie: Martin did not surprise him/ambush/jump out/startling. One must also believe due to a non known encounter, he caught up to TM, got in a fight, where in the words of an EYEWITNESS he suffered an "MMA style ground and pound" and then somehow got his gun and shot TM. By inference one must also believe that it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, even IF all of the above is accepted, that during the fight, GZ did NOT as a "reasonable" person fear great bodily harm or death??
In other words, not only has the state proven beyond a reasonable doubt, GZ acted with negligence during all of the events preceding the physical encounter, but ALSO once the physical encounter commenced, it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, GZ had no reason to "fear great bodily harm or death".
As I'm sure you are aware, the principle crimes that Zimemrman is guilty of are:
1. Not being black
2. Being suspicious of individuals who resembled other individuals who had been committing crimes in his neighborhood
3. Carrying a firearm
4. Getting beat up by a tree
If we look at all of this objectively then there can be no question that Zimmerman deserves, at minimum, life in prison.
Okay, stream of consciousness here.....
I've heard of those tragic events where a parent thinks they hear a burglar at night so they get up with their gun and shoot at who they think is an intruder. It turns out that it's his daughter or son. If he had just stayed in bed, this wouldn't have happened. Should that man be convicted of manslaughter because he got out of bed?
George didn't call 911.. he called NEN because Trayvon was not committing any crime.
As I'm sure you are aware, the principle crimes that Zimemrman is guilty of are:
1. Not being black
2. Being suspicious of individuals who resembled other individuals who had been committing crimes in his neighborhood
3. Carrying a firearm
4. Getting beat up by a tree
If we look at all of this objectively then there can be no question that Zimmerman deserves, at minimum, life in prison.
Not really. Which of those actions, or even the sum total of all of those actions, would a juror consider as grounds to justify them deserving a severe beating from another person over? Remember that even being a total jerk is not grounds for a "justified" assault/battery. The shooting was in response to the assault/battery, what was the assault/battery justification? Surely not simple negligence justifies a "good ass whooping"?
Always gotta admire the "everyone is an idiot" logic.
The Retreat is about 50 % white.. The rest are Hispanic or Black..
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