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Is Lee's Battle Flag a symbol of Hate or Heritage?

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Over the years, Lee's battle flag, that is the battle flag of northern Virginia, or as it is commonly known, the stars and bars, has been used by racist groups as a symbol. It is commonly flown in the south, which in all honesty is just disrespectful and racist on its face and is often seen on or around confederate monuments.

Some people call this flag, which I refer to as "the traitor flag", a symbol of heritage while others, me included, refer to it as symbol of racism and treason. I suppose there are arguments to be made for both sides; however, I should like to point out that the traitor flag has always been a symbol in the battle for white supremacy. There is evidence of this, such as the following: "Mississippi legislators finally voted to replace their state’s flag, which included what is known as the battle flag of northern Virginia. This was the flag flown by those defending white supremacy..."


The heritage of this flag and what it represents was made abundantly clear by the State of Mississippi in the statement it issued when seceding from the union at the start of the civil war.

“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the Black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization."

"Confederate heroes and the battle flag they fought under were willing, as John C. Calhoun wrote, “to drench the country in blood” to maintain white supremacy."


Simply put, the use of this flag, which is a symbol of hate, white supremacy, and slavery, as well as treason, and its use or display is completely unacceptable. Claiming it as a sign of "heritage" is only accurate if the "heritage" in question is a heritage of hate, treason, and racism.

Now, we have Trump and his racist goons using this symbol of hate and racism, and they had the gul to do it in the halls of congress.

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The racism, hate, and treason continues to this day.

The explicit use of the Confederate flag as a symbol of segregation became more widespread and more violent after the U.S. Supreme Court’s Brown v. Board of Education decision. Southern states resisting federally mandated integration incorporated the flag into their official symbolism.


It's time to stop glorifying hate, treason, and racism. It's time to stop waving the banner of racist traitors.

Be well all.
 
It's a symbol of one of the stupidest blunders in history. The Confederate States of America screwed up like no other country ever did. They declared themselves a country and the first thing they did was attack their much stronger neighbour. That's their whole history, four years getting a beat-down like nobody else ever has.
And people celebrate that stupidity?
 
As a little boy, my brother and I were taken to a local; amusement park. There were rides, food, vendors and the like. One stall had two boxes of kepis, one gray with the Stars and Bars, the blue one had the Stars and Stripes. To mollify me, our mom offered to get me my choice of hat. My brother turned to me and said, “if you grit the blue one, I’ll never speak to you again!” That made the gray option the better on at the time, I couldn’t have been more than four or five.

So began my allegiance to the “Lost Cause.” I did a term paper in junior high on “Lee and His Generals.” The south had the more flamboyant leaders, IMO. Mosby, Stewart, Jackson, Forrest and Lee. In the 1960s, Disney did a series on the “Gray Ghost,” JS Mosby. High school history was thr Cliff Notes version, we didn’t spend too much time on anything of note.

It wasn’t until I got older and read more on my own, that I began to get a better picture of the time between 1861 and 1865, only after adulthood. There should be some way to get school kids interested in the things that they will later take an interest in. The old adage, “youth is wasted on the young,” applies here.

Anyhow flags from a defeated nation have no business being waved around to make political hay! The country is still feeling the aftermath of the Civil War.
 
Private do what you want. Government property? Not a fan of that for the reasons noted. Others disagree and what matters is who has the power to enforce their will.*


*Might makes right! :alien:
 
The 1st Amendment allows people to carry or display the battle flag of northern Virginia.

The 1st Amendment also protects a person's right to have a swastika flag.
 
Over the years, Lee's battle flag, that is the battle flag of northern Virginia, or as it is commonly known, the stars and bars, has been used by racist groups as a symbol. It is commonly flown in the south, which in all honesty is just disrespectful and racist on its face and is often seen on or around confederate monuments.

Actually not.

This is the Stars and Bars.

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In addition to this 7 Star version, there were 9, 11 and 13 Star versions produced. The Stars and Bars was used until 1863.

Stars and Bars only refers to the first national flag, not to the battle flag or the later national flags based on the battle flag.
 
The 1st Amendment allows people to carry or display the battle flag of northern Virginia.

The 1st Amendment also protects a person's right to have a swastika flag.
It also allows us to laugh at the losers who choose to identify themselves in such a manner.
 
Actually not.

This is the Stars and Bars.

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In addition to this 7 Star version, there were 9, 11 and 13 Star versions produced. The Stars and Bars was used until 1863.

Stars and Bars only refers to the first national flag, not to the battle flag or the later national flags based on the battle flag.
I do not believe that is correct.

The Confederate flag was called the Stars and Bars. The original version included seven stars representing the first seven states to secede from the Union2.
The flag you're referencing is called the Stars and Stripes.

The flag you pictured above is the flag of the confederate states of America.

"During the American Civil War (1861–65), the Confederate States of America began to use its first flag, the Stars and Bars, on March 5, 1861. After the First Battle of Bull Run, when similarity between the Stars and Bars and the Union Stars and Stripes made it difficult for troops to distinguish friend from foe"


It is not now, nor was it ever, the flag of the United States of America.
 
The 1st Amendment allows people to carry or display the battle flag of northern Virginia.

The 1st Amendment also protects a person's right to have a swastika flag.

I never said that it didn't.

I just said displaying it was inappropriate.

Displaying that flag is an endorsement of treason, white supremacy, and slavery.
 
I did not say that.

I was wrong about Lee's battle flag (traitor flag) being called the stars and bars. It was actually called the southern cross.

My mistake.

Keep in mind that the stars and bars is also a traitor flag.

It was the first national flag of the confederacy from 1861 to 1863.
Yes, the flag of racist traitors.
 
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Hate. These flags only reappeared during the civil rights era, explicitly as signals to black people to stay in their place.
Not quite, but they definitely became more popular during that period.
 
Not quite, but they definitely became more popular during that period.
Yes.

As I’ve gotten older, I think I’ve come to appreciate nuance much more than before. I get that racists have hijacked the flag, but it doesn’t mean it’s a racist symbol for everyone.
 
Yes.

As I’ve gotten older, I think I’ve come to appreciate nuance much more than before. I get that racists have hijacked the flag, but it doesn’t mean it’s a racist symbol for everyone.
I disagree.

It was a racist symbol when it was created.

It was sign of a group of white supremacists and traitors.

It was a racist symbol when it was created and remains so today.
 
Over the years, Lee's battle flag, that is the battle flag of northern Virginia, or as it is commonly known, the stars and bars, has been used by racist groups as a symbol. It is commonly flown in the south, which in all honesty is just disrespectful and racist on its face and is often seen on or around confederate monuments.

Some people call this flag, which I refer to as "the traitor flag", a symbol of heritage while others, me included, refer to it as symbol of racism and treason. I suppose there are arguments to be made for both sides; however, I should like to point out that the traitor flag has always been a symbol in the battle for white supremacy. There is evidence of this, such as the following: "Mississippi legislators finally voted to replace their state’s flag, which included what is known as the battle flag of northern Virginia. This was the flag flown by those defending white supremacy..."


The heritage of this flag and what it represents was made abundantly clear by the State of Mississippi in the statement it issued when seceding from the union at the start of the civil war.

“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the Black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization."

"Confederate heroes and the battle flag they fought under were willing, as John C. Calhoun wrote, “to drench the country in blood” to maintain white supremacy."


Simply put, the use of this flag, which is a symbol of hate, white supremacy, and slavery, as well as treason, and its use or display is completely unacceptable. Claiming it as a sign of "heritage" is only accurate if the "heritage" in question is a heritage of hate, treason, and racism.

Now, we have Trump and his racist goons using this symbol of hate and racism, and they had the gul to do it in the halls of congress.

View attachment 67547433

The racism, hate, and treason continues to this day.

The explicit use of the Confederate flag as a symbol of segregation became more widespread and more violent after the U.S. Supreme Court’s Brown v. Board of Education decision. Southern states resisting federally mandated integration incorporated the flag into their official symbolism.


It's time to stop glorifying hate, treason, and racism. It's time to stop waving the banner of racist traitors.

Be well all.
It is a symbol of Trumpers. Sort of equivalent to having a Trump flag by your home. It advertises that a moron lives there. It is a nice thing in that it saves the guess work.......
 
Over the years, Lee's battle flag, that is the battle flag of northern Virginia, or as it is commonly known, the stars and bars, has been used by racist groups as a symbol. It is commonly flown in the south, which in all honesty is just disrespectful and racist on its face and is often seen on or around confederate monuments.

Some people call this flag, which I refer to as "the traitor flag", a symbol of heritage while others, me included, refer to it as symbol of racism and treason. I suppose there are arguments to be made for both sides; however, I should like to point out that the traitor flag has always been a symbol in the battle for white supremacy. There is evidence of this, such as the following: "Mississippi legislators finally voted to replace their state’s flag, which included what is known as the battle flag of northern Virginia. This was the flag flown by those defending white supremacy..."


The heritage of this flag and what it represents was made abundantly clear by the State of Mississippi in the statement it issued when seceding from the union at the start of the civil war.

“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the Black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization."

"Confederate heroes and the battle flag they fought under were willing, as John C. Calhoun wrote, “to drench the country in blood” to maintain white supremacy."


Simply put, the use of this flag, which is a symbol of hate, white supremacy, and slavery, as well as treason, and its use or display is completely unacceptable. Claiming it as a sign of "heritage" is only accurate if the "heritage" in question is a heritage of hate, treason, and racism.

Now, we have Trump and his racist goons using this symbol of hate and racism, and they had the gul to do it in the halls of congress.

View attachment 67547433

The racism, hate, and treason continues to this day.

The explicit use of the Confederate flag as a symbol of segregation became more widespread and more violent after the U.S. Supreme Court’s Brown v. Board of Education decision. Southern states resisting federally mandated integration incorporated the flag into their official symbolism.


It's time to stop glorifying hate, treason, and racism. It's time to stop waving the banner of racist traitors.

Be well all.
I see you're still watching reruns
 
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