repeter
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Yes.
The way I look at it, it is always bad to kill a human.
However, sometimes it is necessary.
In many cases of brutal crimes, I would support the death penalty.
But the death penalty is still a bad thing.
Meh, it's one ****ed up world.
Because in my mind, the taking of another sentient life is never a good thing.if it's necessary, then why is it bad?
In another thread(Human shields), a poster has argued that whenever you kill a person, no matter the situation, the result, or the person's deeds, it is always a bad thing.
Is it so?
Just to clarify, the question is not if killing a human can be a good thing, but if it is always a bad thing.
Can't it be not good and not bad at the same time?Because in my mind, the taking of another sentient life is never a good thing.
It depends on your definitions of "good" and "bad". :shrug:Can't it be not good and not bad at the same time?
That's not my point here.It depends on your definitions of "good" and "bad".
Neither. Lifting a hand and ending a life are completely different actions with very different consequences, so what point are you hoping to make?That's not my point here.
If you'll decide to lift up your hand now for no actual reason, would it be a good thing or a bad thing?
That something can be neither good nor bad, and hence reasoning the perception of an action as a "bad thing" with "I can't see it as a good thing" is a logical fallacy.Neither. Lifting a hand and ending a life are completely different actions with very different consequences, so what point are you hoping to make?
Logical fallacies are pretty irrelevant in a thread where you are asking if an action is always "bad." "Good" and "bad" are terms relative to the individual using them.That something can be neither good nor bad, and hence reasoning the perception of an action as a "bad thing" with "I can't see it as a good thing" is a logical fallacy.
Please re-read my comment in order to understand it better.Logical fallacies are pretty irrelevant in a thread where you are asking if an action is always "bad." "Good" and "bad" are terms relative to the individual using them.
In another thread(Human shields), a poster has argued that whenever you kill a person, no matter the situation, the result, or the person's deeds, it is always a bad thing.
Is it so?
Just to clarify, the question is not if killing a human can be a good thing, but if it is always a bad thing.
I'm trying, but your position makes very little sense to me. Maybe I'm not getting something. :shrug:Please re-read my comment in order to understand it better.
Okay. I recognize that there are neutral situations. I still think killing a human is always a bad thing, though sometimes necessary to preserve innocent life. What now?It has absolutely nothing to do with the terms being relative to the individual's view, but with the understanding that there is a situation when something is neither good nor bad, and hence one cannot reason his perception of something as bad simply because he cannot perceive it as good.
I see nothing to do with the term's relativity here. Absolutely nothing.
That's not a maybe.I'm trying, but your position makes very little sense to me. Maybe I'm not getting something.
I can see your misunderstanding now.Okay. I recognize that there are neutral situations. I still think killing a human is always a bad thing, though sometimes necessary to preserve innocent life. What now?
That's not a maybe.
I can see your misunderstanding now.
You have perceived, for whatever reason, that I'm trying to deliver a counter-argument to The Mark who was stating that he believes killing someone is always a bad thing.
I have merely pointed out that the reasoning he has used for his opinion was not valid, since he has reasoned the notion that killing is always a bad thing with the notion that "something that is not good" equals "something that is bad" - or rather - "something that is not bad" equals "something that is good".
I have given examples and supporting arguments as to why the latter notion is a logical fallacy.
Do you see my point, now?
No harm was done.Thank you for clarifying. I thought you were arguing that killing a human being falls into the neutral category, neither a good nor bad concurrence. I should have eaten my Wheaties this morning. :2razz:
I suppose.Can't it be not good and not bad at the same time?
Some may equate "necessary" with “good”.
I do not.
How can you not say it was good if it was necessary? Like for example killing an intruder, stopping an attempted murderer or rapist or killing a serial killer?By eliminating those people you ensure that they will not harm anyone again.
Not butting in for Mark, just my opinion.
It can never be a good thing because if you believe it is a good thing then you believe that to kill another human being is ok.
It would always be better to avoid killing if possible. Otherwise there becomes something of a blur as to who is 'good'.
Yes I believe that killing another human being is ok as long as it is done to protect others, punish a scumbag on death row or to protect yourself and property.
Good men sometimes have to kill evil men.
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People who believe they are 'god' believe they know the difference.
Really it is just an excuse for revenge. It may be 'good' with someone who has never developed beyond a rudimentary good/bad idea of morality but it certainly is not a particularly mentally healthy way to be.
Is revenge good - Of course not, it is not much better than the original action. Does revenge feel good - sometimes. Does the good feeling of revenge produce good - rarely. Does the good feeling of revenge remain - no. Does inflicting revenge on someone make one a better person - very definitely no.
That is utter nonsense. Are you saying that you can not tell the difference? You do not need to be God to know that deliberately taking a innocent life without just cause is evil or that molesting children is evil or that many other things are evil.
That is more nonsense. Its not about revenge or feeling good its about permanently stopping someone. A dead murderer can not kill again, a dead rapist can not rape again and a dead burglar can not burglarize a home again.
That is utter nonsense. Are you saying that you can not tell the difference? You do not need to be God to know that deliberately taking a innocent life without just cause is evil or that molesting children is evil or that many other things are evil.
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