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is Joe Biden to old to run for President again

Is Joe to old to run for office again

  • yes

    Votes: 27 39.1%

  • No

    Votes: 19 27.5%

  • Mentally he is sound

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Here is physically sound

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • he is mentally and physically sound

    Votes: 5 7.2%

  • his health is failing and his mind

    Votes: 12 17.4%

  • depends on who he runs against him

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • He needs to go lay down someplace and go back to sleep

    Votes: 3 4.3%

  • we should wait and see

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Total voters
    69
A Linoge said:
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Joe Biden knows the game is up: he’s too old to run for a second term

Every actor dreams of playing Hamlet. Few have left it so late in the day as Joe Biden. Eighty years old and showing it, the procrastinator on the Potomac cannot bring himself to announce a second stab at the White House in 2024. You have to wonder if, like Hamlet, Biden has what it takes.
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He clearly has some memory issues and seems to relive events that have never happened as if he had dementia and his health is very shacky
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No. But his probs are different from age. Bernie is even older, but much sharper.
 
NolanVoyd said:
Count me among the 24%

Biden is doing a great job.

Four more years!
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First off, one must be able to win the election. We both know Republicans will vote for republicans and Democrats for Democrats. It’s independents that will decide who wins or loses. Right now only 14% of independents want Biden to run again, 65% don’t. That should be a red flag for the democrats as should Trump’s numbers among independents should be for the Republicans. If the Republicans run a fresh young face against Biden, that fresh young face will probably win. Same for the Democrats, a fresh young face vs. Trump, easy win for the Democrats.

Right now, a Trump vs. Biden matchup is a coin flip.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-bidens-chances-look-latest-2024-polling-1787152

Considering all the negativity surrounding Trump, indictments and all, it shouldn’t be this close. What’s worse is independents are split evenly between the two 41-41. That’s a far cry from Biden beating Trump among independents 54-41 in 2020. Then too only 40% of independents approve of the job Biden is doing vs 55% who disapprove.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

It’s still early, the election is a long way off. Things change as do the numbers I cited above. If I was a Democrat, I’d go with a fresh young face to help ensure an election victory. I’m not, so who the democrats nominate is totally up to them. Not all Americans, just Democrats. But all Americans will decide who wins and loses the presidential general election, not just democrats.
 
Perotista said:
First off, one must be able to win the election. We both know Republicans will vote for republicans and Democrats for Democrats. It’s independents that will decide who wins or loses. Right now only 14% of independents want Biden to run again, 65% don’t. That should be a red flag for the democrats as should Trump’s numbers among independents should be for the Republicans. If the Republicans run a fresh young face against Biden, that fresh young face will probably win. Same for the Democrats, a fresh young face vs. Trump, easy win for the Democrats.

Right now, a Trump vs. Biden matchup is a coin flip.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-bidens-chances-look-latest-2024-polling-1787152

Considering all the negativity surrounding Trump, indictments and all, it shouldn’t be this close. What’s worse is independents are split evenly between the two 41-41. That’s a far cry from Biden beating Trump among independents 54-41 in 2020. Then too only 40% of independents approve of the job Biden is doing vs 55% who disapprove.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

It’s still early, the election is a long way off. Things change as do the numbers I cited above. If I was a Democrat, I’d go with a fresh young face to help ensure an election victory. I’m not, so who the democrats nominate is totally up to them. Not all Americans, just Democrats. But all Americans will decide who wins and loses the presidential general election, not just democrats.
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In my opinion that is agism.

No matter who it is, it comes down to a binary choice, if Biden is the candidate I am confident independents will pick him over the Republican.
 
Huh.....well, he showed up for ice cream.

I think we need to rethink both parties.
 
He’s losing his faculties. That is a problem.
 
NolanVoyd said:
In my opinion that is agism.

No matter who it is, it comes down to a binary choice, if Biden is the candidate I am confident independents will pick him over the Republican.
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If it’s Biden vs. Trump again, I agree that independents would go with Biden. But not by the 13-point margin Biden racked up among independents in 2020. Perhaps closer to 5. Independents have a real dislike of Trump. Around 60% of independents have viewed Trump unfavorably since 2016 on average.



The choice may be binary, but that doesn’t stop a lot of folks voting third party when they dislike both major party candidates. When Trump won in 2016, 6% of all Americans, some 8 million people voted third party against both Trump and Clinton. That included 12% of independents which voted for Trump 46-42. The independent vote was the main reason Trump won, especially in the 3 deciding states. Sometimes the choices aren’t that binary. Trump won Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania by less than 0.5% or less than one half of one percent of the vote. Yet 6% of the people voted third party in Michigan,5% in Pennsylvania, 7% in Wisconsin.

Fact is 25% of all voters in 2016 disliked both major party candidates, Trump and Clinton which included 54% of independents.

news.gallup.com

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

In the U.S., one in four view Trump and Clinton unfavorably, much higher than the percentage who disliked both candidates in 2012 or 2008. But this doesn't mean turnout will be low or a third-party candidate will be successful.
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The thing is when a lot of voters dislike their binary choice, they have been known to vote against that binary choice voting third party. If 2024 is another Trump vs. Biden matchup which most Americans don’t want, I’d look back to 2016 as a prime example of what might happen when the choices suck, especially to independents.
 
It is up to Biden. If he thinks can do it, why not?
 
Minerva said:
I would prefer that the Democrats choose someone else as their candidate, but if they choose Biden I would vote for him before DeSatanist or tRump.
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Who do you have in mind? I hear Buttegieg mentioned often.
Also, which GOP candidate would be palatable for you?
 
Lovebug said:
Who do you have in mind? I hear Buttegieg mentioned often.
Also, which GOP candidate would be palatable for you?
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Whitmer of Michigan interests me.

My choice of GOP candidates would have to come from the "Never Trump" crowd. Larry Hogan, Charlie Baker, Phil Scott....
 
I would like to clarify my position. I really don't think Joe will be to old to run for reelection, but I absolutely believe he will be way too old to be president again, come January 2025, if he survives his current term.
 
Biden and Trump are both too old.

The past two US elections have involved Clinton, Trump and Biden. That's pretty poor from both sides.
 
I am fine with Joe Biden running for President again. If he feels he can mentally handle being President for another 4 years, why not? The Democrats can always pick somebody else, if they feel Uncle Joe is too old and feel he's not capable of being President.
 
LouC said:
I would like to clarify my position. I really don't think Joe will be to old to run for reelection, but I absolutely believe he will be way too old to be president again, come January 2025, if he survives his current term.
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Age is not the issue here. It's his low polling numbers. According 538, he has a 43% approval rating and a 52% disapproval rating. The right doesn't like him because they feel he "stole the election" in 2020. The hard left doesn't like him because his policies are all watered down and compromised.

Biden greatly benefits from Republicans deep love of Trump and their deep obsession with abortion and attacking LGBTQI Americans. As we saw in the 2022 mid-terms, the Democrats performed well in the Senate and Governor races. Republicans excelled in the local races. You can fully expect the Democratic playbook to be running on social issues and Republican extremism. He can always run on the Harry Truman playbook of "Republicans are obstructionist".
 
BrotherFease said:
Age is not the issue here. It's his low polling numbers. According 538, he has a 43% approval rating and a 52% disapproval rating. The right doesn't like him because they feel he "stole the election" in 2020. The hard left doesn't like him because his policies are all watered down and compromised.

Biden greatly benefits from Republicans deep love of Trump and their deep obsession with abortion and attacking LGBTQI Americans. As we saw in the 2022 mid-terms, the Democrats performed well in the Senate and Governor races. Republicans excelled in the local races. You can fully expect the Democratic playbook to be running on social issues and Republican extremism. He can always run on the Harry Truman playbook of "Republicans are obstructionist".
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But, in the end, the only Polling number that will be important will not come until November 5th, 2024.
 
LouC said:
But, in the end, the only Polling number that will be important will not come until November 5th, 2024.
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Agree with that. Polls are just estimates, and they do not look at the "lesser of the two evils" principle. In other words, there are people who think Trump/Biden are terrible people, but still vote for them, based on where they lean politically.
 
BrotherFease said:
Agree with that. Polls are just estimates, and they do not look at the "lesser of the two evils" principle. In other words, there are people who think Trump/Biden are terrible people, but still vote for them, based on where they lean politically.
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Wonder what Joe Biden's polling numbers were in April of 2019?
 
The maximum age to serve in that office should be 60.
 
A Linoge said:
news.yahoo.com

Joe Biden knows the game is up: he’s too old to run for a second term

Every actor dreams of playing Hamlet. Few have left it so late in the day as Joe Biden. Eighty years old and showing it, the procrastinator on the Potomac cannot bring himself to announce a second stab at the White House in 2024. You have to wonder if, like Hamlet, Biden has what it takes.
news.yahoo.com news.yahoo.com
He clearly has some memory issues and seems to relive events that have never happened as if he had dementia and his health is very shacky
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If he loses the primary, then maybe.
If he wins the primary, then he's definitely old enough, at least according to the people who vote for him in said primary.

Until there's a max age rule, literally nothing else matters.
 
A Linoge said:
news.yahoo.com

Joe Biden knows the game is up: he’s too old to run for a second term

Every actor dreams of playing Hamlet. Few have left it so late in the day as Joe Biden. Eighty years old and showing it, the procrastinator on the Potomac cannot bring himself to announce a second stab at the White House in 2024. You have to wonder if, like Hamlet, Biden has what it takes.
news.yahoo.com news.yahoo.com
He clearly has some memory issues and seems to relive events that have never happened as if he had dementia and his health is very shacky
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I don't care how old a person is for president for any elected of appointed office. So no he is not too old to run for president. I am not an ageist. The issue should be if he has permanent health problems or seriously long term health problems that prevents him from doing his job. I am not his doctor so I am not going to claim what health issues he may or may not have. Die hard anti-Trumpers made bogus claims about Trump's health when he was president. Die hard Anti-Clinton made claims about her health. So logic would dictate these claims about a president or candidate's mental or physical health are partisan hack in nature.
 
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