Is it Un-American to work under the table?

[ptsdkid]

Damn, Hatuey, you beat me to it! :doh

***Yeah, you beat a clueless dope to the punch. LOL!



First, how about explaining the difference between the tax paying job and the tax exempt job and how it relates to your disability. I seem to recall you making a post, that was lost in the server crash, that you do under the table construction work, which is how you keep so fit. How does your disability allow you to do this?

***I would be glad to indulge you. If you were to recall--the tax exempt job was in construction. At 57...I am probably in better shape then I was at 20 during my combat daze. I still box at a gym in Boston for the over 50 crowd in the heavyweight division. Granted, they are only 3 rounds, but I do have the distinction of being the only undefeated boxer in the gym's history for the over 50 crowd. While the workouts and sparring sessions become grueling for others--I insist each one is a cakewalk. Needless to say, I never had an anti-war liberal spit on me and call me a baby killer during my return from combat.
If you were also to recall--the disability is for PTSD, which is considered an emotional disorder; which my 25 rating according to the GAF (Global Assessment Functioning) scale determines that I am unemployable. Let me repeat, by the VA standards...I am considered 'UNEMPLOYABLE'.


Your hypocracy and dishonesty has now been exposed for all to see, and in your own words. Your destuction is now complete.

***Sorry to disappoint el Capitante again, but this could get to be an enjoyable exercise in loose banter if I let it.

Sorry I had to do this to you, kid, but exposing this kind of hypocracy is my job around here. :mrgreen:

***Yeah, it does look like you've been running out of steam as of late. Good Luck!

 

[RightinNYC]

***I would be glad to indulge you. If you were to recall--the tax exempt job was in construction. At 57...I am probably in better shape then I was at 20 during my combat daze. I still box at a gym in Boston for the over 50 crowd in the heavyweight division. Granted, they are only 3 rounds, but I do have the distinction of being the only undefeated boxer in the gym's history for the over 50 crowd. While the workouts and sparring sessions become grueling for others--I insist each one is a cakewalk. Needless to say, I never had an anti-war liberal spit on me and call me a baby killer during my return from combat.
If you were also to recall--the disability is for PTSD, which is considered an emotional disorder; which my 25 rating according to the GAF (Global Assessment Functioning) scale determines that I am unemployable. Let me repeat, by the VA standards...I am considered 'UNEMPLOYABLE'.

Not just that, if anything you ever say is anything close to the truth.

The Global Assessment of Functioning (GAF) is a numeric scale (0 through 100) used by mental health clinicians and doctors to rate the social, occupational and psychological functioning of adults. The scale is presented and described in the DSM-IV-TR on page 32. Children and adolescents under the age of 18 are evaluated on the Children’s Global Assessment Scale, or C-GAS.

91-100 Superior functioning in a wide range of activities, life's problems never seem to get out of hand, is sought out by others because of his or her many qualities. No symptoms.
81-90 Absent or minimal symptoms, good functioning in all areas, interested and involved in a wide range of activities, socially effective, generally satisfied with life, no more than everyday problems or concerns.
71-80 If symptoms are present they are transient and expectable reactions to psychosocial stresses; no more than slight impairment in social, occupational, or school functioning.
61-70 Some mild symptoms OR some difficulty in social, occupational, or school functioning, but generally functioning pretty well, has some meaningful interpersonal relationships.
51-60 Moderate symptoms OR any moderate difficulty in social, occupational, or school functioning.
41-50 Serious symptoms OR any serious impairment in social, occupational, or school functioning.
31-40 Some impairment in reality testing or communication OR major impairment in several areas, such as work or school, family relations, judgment, thinking, or mood.
21-30 Behavior is considered influenced by delusions or hallucinations OR serious impairment in communications or judgment OR inability to function in all areas.
11-20 Some danger of hurting self or others OR occasionally fails to maintain minimal personal hygiene OR gross impairment in communication.
1-10 Persistent danger of severely hurting self or others OR persistent inability to maintain minimum personal hygiene OR serious suicidal act with clear expectation of death.

 

[ptsdkid]

Not just that, if anything you ever say is anything close to the truth.

***Don't know what you're referring to here, but thanks anyway for displaying the scale that the VA uses in determining a veteran's level of disability. Thanks again for helping to cement my case, thus making Cap Courtesy look rather foolish.

 

[Hatuey]

***Don't know what you're referring to here, but thanks anyway for displaying the scale that the VA uses in determining a veteran's level of disability. Thanks again for helping to cement my case, thus making Cap Courtesy look rather foolish.

Did you even read what it said? If you had such a level of disability it's obvious you'd be unable to work in construction you dope.

Jebus, can mods ban this pstd wierdo now?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

***Don't know what you're referring to here, but thanks anyway for displaying the scale that the VA uses in determining a veteran's level of disability. Thanks again for helping to cement my case, thus making Cap Courtesy look rather foolish.

The enjoyable part of debating you as of late, is how you continue to make my job easy by making my points with your own words. Let's consider the GAF for a moment. As a mental health professional, I am extremely familiar with the GAF, considering I've used it on a nearly daily basis for the past 16 years. The GAF describes one's current ability to function. This rating is fluid; in other words, it changes as one improves or decompensates. I believe at the time of your initial diagnosis and placement on disability, your GAF was a 25. You have posted credible information on other threads that supports this claim. However, let's look at your current functioning level. You work. You box. You travel. You have a girlfriend and other social associates. Doesn't sound like you are unable to function in all areas, which is what a 25 GAF would indicate. Your functioning has improved significantly since you were a 25. Currently, it's probably in the 55-65 range, which would be consistent with the things you are currently doing. If you were a 25, you couldn't be working at any job, tax exempt or not. If you were a 25, you would be unable to box. If you had a 25 you would have few if any social contacts and they would be intermitant at best. If you were a 25, you would be isolated, nearly or actually suicidal, be unable to leave your house, or be hospitalized, psychiatrically. You seem to be functioning reasonably well. Therefore, your whole premise around your GAF preventing you from working is irrelevant, at the current time. If you are well enough to work, you are well enough to work, legally.

Thank you for cementing my case. :smile:

 

[Hatuey]

The enjoyable part of debating you as of late, is how you continue to make my job easy by making my points with your own words. Let's consider the GAF for a moment. As a mental health professional, I am extremely familiar with the GAF, considering I've used it on a nearly daily basis for the past 16 years. The GAF describes one's current ability to function. This rating is fluid; in other words, it changes as one improves or decompensates. I believe at the time of your initial diagnosis and placement on disability, your GAF was a 25. You have posted credible information on other threads that supports this claim. However, let's look at your current functioning level. You work. You box. You travel. You have a girlfriend and other social associates. Doesn't sound like you are unable to function in all areas, which is what a 25 GAF would indicate. Your functioning has improved significantly since you were a 25. Currently, it's probably in the 55-65 range, which would be consistent with the things you are currently doing. If you were a 25, you couldn't be working at any job, tax exempt or not. If you were a 25, you would be unable to box. If you had a 25 you would have few if any social contacts and they would be intermitant at best. If you were a 25, you would be isolated, nearly or actually suicidal, be unable to leave your house, or be hospitalized, psychiatrically. You seem to be functioning reasonably well. Therefore, your whole premise around your GAF preventing you from working is irrelevant, at the current time. If you are well enough to work, you are well enough to work, legally.

Thank you for cementing my case. :smile:

OHHHHH THE HUMANITY! * Sucks up to CaptainCourtesy some more* I aint handing you no more light sabers. You a stone cold killa baby. N.W.A. style. You the main MC when it comes to slaughtering arguments. They needa rename you to Guillautine.

Even though I kinda stated exatcly what you said with less verbal jabs and more stabbing not a post before you. You still murdered.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

But I liked my lightsaber. Hmmm...I kinda like Guilautine, though. :mrgreen:

 

[Hatuey]

But I liked my lightsaber. Hmmm...I kinda like Guilautine, though. :mrgreen:

Yeah I've been reading about the French revolution alot lately I'm stuck on that whole "cut the kings head off" part.

 

[ptsdkid]

my[/B] case. :smile:

***Ahh, you're a bit slow, but you seem to be catching on, if only in an amateurish way. Hautey still remains clueless.

You see, the trouble with having a 25 GAF rating back in my early forties, was that the debilitating symptoms had robbed me of ever having a feasible chance for normal employment during those high productive years; at least in the minds of the VA and Social Security respectively. So while it just kills me inside to have to find alternative means to help booster my paltry government stipend--I do so nonetheless, knowing quite well that I'll never be joining my friends in the tax paying workforce again.
The VA and SS know that chances are great that my GAF rating will increase (as you've so dutifully noted), but they were both so kind to issue me a T&P (Total & Permanent) rating at the time of my most severe standing. I even tried to give back my bennies, but they refused by saying that they could not undue the permanent rating. They both knew that chances of regression for combat PTSD patients remains high, and thus the reason for the permanent rating.

Welcome to America el Capitante! I just love and honor this country called America. Hope you're having as much fun here in America as I do.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

OHHHHH THE HUMANITY! * Sucks up to CaptainCourtesy some more* I aint handing you no more light sabers. You a stone cold killa baby. N.W.A. style. You the main MC when it comes to slaughtering arguments. They needa rename you to Guillautine.

Even though I kinda stated exatcly what you said with less verbal jabs and more stabbing not a post before you. You still murdered.

In the bold. I know. Sorry about that. Didn't give you the credit. I'll give you half the kill credit to make up for it. :mrgreen:

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Ahh, you're a bit slow, but you seem to be catching on, if only in an amateurish way. Hautey still remains clueless.

Your words again will be used to destroy you. And don't insult Hatuey, young apprentice. :mrgreen:

You see, the trouble with having a 25 GAF rating back in my early forties, was that the debilitating symptoms had robbed me of ever having a feasible chance for normal employment during those high productive years; at least in the minds of the VA and Social Security respectively.

Social Security re-evaluates every 3 years. You go to a doctor of their choosing, truthfully describe the extent of your current disability are reassessed for the possilbity of benefits. With your current GAF, you would be denied. Notice the words in bold.

So while it just kills me inside to have to find alternative means to help booster my paltry government stipend--I do so nonetheless, knowing quite well that I'll never be joining my friends in the tax paying workforce again.

In bold. I'm assuming that you are currently under the 100% IU benefit plan. If that is the case you should be receiving $2393 per month, tax free (I will post links, later to confirm this). PALTRY? And as far as 'never be joining my friends in the tax paying workforce again', you could if you were not cheating the government.

The VA and SS know that chances are great that my GAF rating will increase (as you've so dutifully noted), but they were both so kind to issue me a T&P (Total & Permanent) rating at the time of my most severe standing.

Social Security does not do this. The SSA will review your medical condition, regardless of what it is, about every 3 years. There is no T&P with the SSA. As far as the VA goes, I will address that, momentarily.

I even tried to give back my bennies, but they refused by saying that they could not undue the permanent rating. They both knew that chances of regression for combat PTSD patients remains high, and thus the reason for the permanent rating.

As I stated. for the SSA, this is untrue. And, if you wanted to give back your bennies to the SSA, all you had to do was tell them you were working. :roll:


:sigh: You know, this thread is quite enjoyable, since I continue to watch you torch yourself.

For example, here is the book, from the SSA, on how/why your benefits may be stopped: How We Decide If You Are Still Disabled
Key points:

If your medical condition has improved to the extent that we decide you can work, your benefits will stop.
Your disability benefits also will stop in the following situations:

• You have benefited from vocational training or advances in medical treatment or vocational technology and because of this you can work.
• We made a mistake in an earlier decision to give you or continue your disability benefits.
• You are not following the treatment your doctor ordered (without a good reason), and you probably could work if you followed the treatment.
• You gave us false or misleading information when we made an earlier decision.
• You are not cooperating with us, and you do not have a good reason for not cooperating.
• You are working and your average monthly earnings show that you are doing substantial gainful work. The amount of earnings we consider substantial and gainful changes each year. For the current figure, refer to the annual Update (Publication No. 05-10003). However, this situation will not affect Supplemental Security Income payments.

Seems like several of these apply to you, especially the first and the last.

Now for the VA information on IU benefits. Your post reeked of arrogance: remember, your arrogance is your weakness.

Read this: VA Hit for Oversight
Key points:

The Department of Veterans Affairs mismanages its program for rating disabled veterans as "unemployable," according to a new report by congressional auditors.

Because of weak oversight of Individual Unemployability (IU) benefits, some veterans get more compensation than warranted, and the VA is ineffective in moving seriously disabled veterans toward productive working lives, the Government Accountability Office has found.

Overall, the process VA uses to determine whether veterans are unemployable lacks integrity, GAO decided after 15 months of study. Its May 30 report says VA criteria, guidance and procedures for awarding such benefits "do not ensure that IU decisions are well supported."

And this:

Appearing before the benefits commission last year, VA officials blamed a 1999 decision to stop requiring IU veterans to complete a form each year to verify that they remain unemployed or earning incomes below the poverty level. VA began asking IU veterans to complete the forms again last September.

One senior VA official also told the commission that awarding IU status was a way for rating specialists to help clear a rising backlog of claims.

The GAO report, however, points to more systemic problems with how IU benefits are administered. It suggests the VA is less conscientious than either the Social Security Administration or private sector disability plans in monitoring employability and encouraging beneficiaries to return to work.

Note the bold. Perhaps this is how you're getting over, kid. But watch out! The GAO Commission report may force you back to credibility, probably kicking and screaming.

Oh, and here's the entire GAO Report: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06309.pdf

*sniff* Poor ptsdkid, we knew him well.

 

[Hatuey]

*sniff* Poor ptsdkid, we knew him well.

We must fly the flag half mast....he would have liked that...

:violin :hm :violin

*Starts singing old negro spiritual burial songs*

:applaud Oh happy day....Ooooh Happy day...When Jesus washed(When Jesus washed)....Oh when Jesus washed(when jesus washed)...Oh when he washed(When jesus washed).....Kid's sins away(Oh happy day)....Oh happy day..:applaud

May you rest in peace my silly compadre.

pstdkid : You are the lucky recipient of an online funeral! Now go figure out a way to use this as a way of ripping the goverment off. Hypocrite.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

We must fly the flag half mast....he would have liked that...

:violin :hm :violin

*Starts singing old negro spiritual burial songs*

:applaud Oh happy day....Ooooh Happy day...When Jesus washed(When Jesus washed)....Oh when Jesus washed(when jesus washed)...Oh when he washed(When jesus washed).....Kid's sins away(Oh happy day)....Oh happy day..:applaud

May you rest in peace my silly compadre.

pstdkid : You are the lucky recipient of an online funeral! Now go figure out a way to use this as a way of ripping the goverment off. Hypocrite.

I was going to play 'Taps' but I thought that'd be over the top.

BTW, funniest post I've seen in a bit. Bravo!

 

[Hatuey]

I was going to play 'Taps' but I thought that'd be over the top.

BTW, funniest post I've seen in a bit. Bravo!

I try. I try.

 

[ptsdkid]

Your words again will be used to destroy you. And don't insult Hatuey, young apprentice. :mrgreen:


***The problem el Capitante is that you're dealing with the master debater; a guy that continually destroys your weak inexperienced and factually wrong attempts to discredit the king. And your lackey boy Hautley always puts foot in mouth way before getting the real deal from yours truly. LOL!



Social Security re-evaluates every 3 years. You go to a doctor of their choosing, truthfully describe the extent of your current disability are reassessed for the possilbity of benefits. With your current GAF, you would be denied. Notice the words in bold.


***It started out that SS evaluated every 3 years, but as of late it has been every year. Back when I had first applied for Social Security--they did indeed insist that I visit a doctor of ther choosing. But as time progressed, Social Security decided to send me a 3-page evaluation to be filled out by me and by my doctor of choice, every year. Its gotten to the point where I just fill out my portion and mail it to my Psychiatrist--where he basically rubber-stamps it, and sends it forward to SS. Its been 3 years since I've seen my personal VA psychiatrist. That kind of gives you an idea as to how both the VA and SS have slacked off of bothering people with a total and permanent disability.



In bold. I'm assuming that you are currently under the 100% IU benefit plan. If that is the case you should be receiving $2393 per month, tax free (I will post links, later to confirm this). PALTRY? And as far as 'never be joining my friends in the tax paying workforce again', you could if you were not cheating the government.

***I use the word paltry in comparing that government entitlement to the $400,000 a year income I would be getting as president of these United states had I not had a history of detrimental psychiatric evaluations. Again, the only one being cheated here is me--in that only my history and an unforgiving society prevents me from attaining my goals, not my abilities.



Social Security does not do this. The SSA will review your medical condition, regardless of what it is, about every 3 years. There is no T&P with the SSA. As far as the VA goes, I will address that, momentarily.

***Call it what you want, but the monies I collect from SSD are rated at the 100% level, as are the monies being received from the VA.



As I stated. for the SSA, this is untrue. And, if you wanted to give back your bennies to the SSA, all you had to do was tell them you were working. :roll:

***You're right, if I wanted to give back to the SSD--all I had to do was to prove to them that I'm employable. Haven't you been listening....both the VA and SS have deemed me to be 'UNEMPLOYABLE'! Need I send you an official copy of that statement before it starts to set in?


:sigh: You know, this thread is quite enjoyable, since I continue to watch you torch yourself.

***I didn't want to have to do this, but I'm going to have to drop you down a level or two to poor boy Hautley's level.

For example, here is the book, from the SSA, on how/why your benefits may be stopped: How We Decide If You Are Still Disabled
Key points: [/LIST] Seems like several of these apply to you, especially the first and the last.

***Sorry if I didn't take time out to gloss over those urls; I happen to have more important items on my busy agenda.

Now for the VA information on IU benefits. Your post reeked of arrogance: remember, your arrogance is your weakness.

***What you call arrogance--I call an extreme case of self-assuredness, backed up with experience and fact.


So, not only have I proven myself time and time again to you, but it looks like I've made even a stronger case for everyone interested to do the all-American thing by working under the table to help offset the government's criminal activity of over-taxing hard working Americans. Back to the drawing board for you el Capitante; and bring your side kick Hautley along just for kicks. LOL!

 

[CoffeeSaint]

***What you call arrogance--I call an extreme case of self-assuredness, backed up with experience and fact.


So, not only have I proven myself time and time again to you, but it looks like I've made even a stronger case for everyone interested to do the all-American thing by working under the table to help offset the government's criminal activity of over-taxing hard working Americans. Back to the drawing board for you el Capitante; and bring your side kick Hautley along just for kicks. LOL!

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By the way: impressive, Captain. Most impressive.:darthgunny

 

[ptsdkid]

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By the way: impressive, Captain. Most impressive.:darthgunny

***Thanks for encouraging the Captain. There are times when I think that my display of facts backed by experience have simply overwhelmed the Captain, where he gets frustrated in each attempt to counter me by skewing/spinning the truth to his liking. I admit I do like to play with el Capitante's sophomoric attemps to best me, and for that I thank you for giving him the chance to believe in himself again.

 

[CoffeeSaint]

***Thanks for encouraging the Captain. There are times when I think that my display of facts backed by experience have simply overwhelmed the Captain, where he gets frustrated in each attempt to counter me by skewing/spinning the truth to his liking. I admit I do like to play with el Capitante's sophomoric attemps to best me, and for that I thank you for giving him the chance to believe in himself again.

I think from now on I am going to assume that you are an alien from the planet Zebulon V, shaped rather like a small green glob of snot. I believe that this post of yours proves that you are green, for how could anyone think as you do if they were not green? Only green people use the word "sophomoric." You are clearly an alien, as you have no understanding of how to create a realistic human persona online, and I think it is quite apparent that you are shaped like a glob of snot from the way you type.

Thank you, little lump of greenish goo, for sharing your ideas with us. Please continue to do so.

 

[ptsdkid]

I think from now on I am going to assume that you are an alien from the planet Zebulon V, shaped rather like a small green glob of snot. I believe that this post of yours proves that you are green, for how could anyone think as you do if they were not green? Only green people use the word "sophomoric." You are clearly an alien, as you have no understanding of how to create a realistic human persona online, and I think it is quite apparent that you are shaped like a glob of snot from the way you type.

Thank you, little lump of greenish goo, for sharing your ideas with us. Please continue to do so.

***I realize that it is more likely for a pagan to beleive in science fiction, so your mention of the planet Zebulon V comes as no surprise, and in fact comes to be accepted as normal thinking from people like yourself. So in considering your inability to present a well-thought-out argument (or valid point) to my original posting, and your penchant to sway toward a science fiction ideology--I would say that your debating techniques here are 'SOPHOMORIC' at best, with plenty of outer space left for improvement.

 

[CoffeeSaint]

***I realize that it is more likely for a pagan to beleive in science fiction, so your mention of the planet Zebulon V comes as no surprise, and in fact comes to be accepted as normal thinking from people like yourself. So in considering your inability to present a well-thought-out argument (or valid point) to my original posting, and your penchant to sway toward a science fiction ideology--I would say that your debating techniques here are 'SOPHOMORIC' at best, with plenty of outer space left for improvement.

No, little green glob: when a human being posts an actual argument, with actual facts to back it up, and when that human being shows any ability to reply intelligently to actual responses, then they can call what they are doing "debating." And when the human being observes our objective reality and draws conclusions based on our knowledge of that objective reality, then what the human being does can be called "thinking." You aren't doing either one -- but then, you are only a tiny green ball of snot from another planet. I'm sure you have many qualities that your kind would find endearing -- you're probably a lovely shade of green, for instance.

Do you look like this guy?:mrgreen: I bet you do!

 

[ptsdkid]

No, little green glob: when a human being posts an actual argument, with actual facts to back it up, and when that human being shows any ability to reply intelligently to actual responses, then they can call what they are doing "debating." And when the human being observes our objective reality and draws conclusions based on our knowledge of that objective reality, then what the human being does can be called "thinking." You aren't doing either one -- but then, you are only a tiny green ball of snot from another planet. I'm sure you have many qualities that your kind would find endearing -- you're probably a lovely shade of green, for instance.

Do you look like this guy?:mrgreen: I bet you do!

***Once again you've proved how ineffective or unable you are to bring something worthy to the table. Perhaps if I change the place settings to display star wars characters--that you'll be more apt to join the debating team here at the dinner table. Meanwhile, your current behavior here remains pathetic at best, bordering on sewer material at the very least.

 

[CoffeeSaint]

***Once again you've proved how ineffective or unable you are to bring something worthy to the table. Perhaps if I change the place settings to display star wars characters--that you'll be more apt to join the debating team here at the dinner table. Meanwhile, your current behavior here remains pathetic at best, bordering on sewer material at the very least.

Awww, poor little green glob; are all of us humans starting to look alike now? Well, here's a tip: if you could read English (remember I suggested that as a way for you to learn about humans and report back to your alien masters) you could see that I have posted several times on this thread, some of them directed at you. Two of those are still unanswered: this one,
http://www.debatepolitics.com/449098-post30.html

and this one.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/449367-post59.html

And then there was my conversation with Synch, which you would also be welcome to read. That starts with Post #39, and goes to Post #58.

I know it's hard to differentiate between people when you are only a green snot ball, but here's a hint: I'm the one named CoffeeSaint.

Don't fret, little alien. You'll understand us some day, if you truly believe that you can.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

You know kid, I was so looking forward to my nightly skinning and gutting of your of your post, using my judo debating technique...using your words to dismantle your position. Sadly, that will be difficult tonight, as in this particular post, you say absolutely nothing. My skills would be wasted, here, but I will try to make something out of very little.

The problem el Capitante is that you're dealing with the master debater; a guy that continually destroys your weak inexperienced and factually wrong attempts to discredit the king. And your lackey boy Hautley always puts foot in mouth way before getting the real deal from yours truly. LOL!

No facts, no quotes, no evidence. You have been routed at every turn in this debate, and been exposed for all to see. You have one out to, perhaps, regain some of your destroyed credibilty and integrity; take responsiblity for what you have done. If you do, I ask that no one admonish the kid; one who admits they are wrong and takes responsibility for those behaviors should be admired. The offer is open.

It started out that SS evaluated every 3 years, but as of late it has been every year. Back when I had first applied for Social Security--they did indeed insist that I visit a doctor of ther choosing. But as time progressed, Social Security decided to send me a 3-page evaluation to be filled out by me and by my doctor of choice, every year. Its gotten to the point where I just fill out my portion and mail it to my Psychiatrist--where he basically rubber-stamps it, and sends it forward to SS. Its been 3 years since I've seen my personal VA psychiatrist. That kind of gives you an idea as to how both the VA and SS have slacked off of bothering people with a total and permanent disability.

I agree with the fact that the VA and SSA have slacked off; the GAO Report evidences that about the VA; in fact shows evidence of more than slacking, it shows evidence of negligence and ineffectiveness.

On the other hand, what your doctor is doing is unethical, and borders on the criminal.

I use the word paltry in comparing that government entitlement to the $400,000 a year income I would be getting as president of these United states had I not had a history of detrimental psychiatric evaluations. Again, the only one being cheated here is me--in that only my history and an unforgiving society prevents me from attaining my goals, not my abilities.

If having psychological disorders disallowed one from being President, certain prior Heads of these United States would never have been permitted to serve. I'd appreciate you providing some evidence that becoming President was ever a possibility, since you claim that this would have been possible. President, kid? When was your GAF last checked?

Call it what you want, but the monies I collect from SSD are rated at the 100% level, as are the monies being received from the VA.

Ah, no real response, here. The final crack has emerged, as the pieces float into oblivion.

You're right, if I wanted to give back to the SSD--all I had to do was to prove to them that I'm employable. Haven't you been listening....both the VA and SS have deemed me to be 'UNEMPLOYABLE'! Need I send you an official copy of that statement before it starts to set in?

I have been listening to you...have you been listening to you?

If you were to recall--the tax exempt job was in construction.

Hmmm... sounds employable.

The VA and SS know that chances are great that my GAF rating will increase

Hmmm...could be employable

not being able to work a tax paying job--I'm still able to work a tax exempt job

Hmmm...sounds employable...and employed.

I didn't want to have to do this, but I'm going to have to drop you down a level or two to poor boy Hautley's level.

I told you, quite insulting my young apprentice. I'm could turn this thread over to him. You may discover that he has learned his lessons well.

Sorry if I didn't take time out to gloss over those urls; I happen to have more important items on my busy agenda.

Two possibilities: 1) your busy agenda entails more ways to cheat the government 2) you had no viable response and tried to save face with this comment.

What you call arrogance--I call an extreme case of self-assuredness, backed up with experience and fact.

Perhaps you do, but remember; if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and smells like a duck, even if you call it a cow, it's still a duck.

So, not only have I proven myself time and time again to you, but it looks like I've made even a stronger case for everyone interested to do the all-American thing by working under the table to help offset the government's criminal activity of over-taxing hard working Americans. Back to the drawing board for you el Capitante; and bring your side kick Hautley along just for kicks. LOL!

The offer is still open, kid. Take responsibility for your behavior and you can leave here with some self-respect. I will insist that NO ONE admonish you for that.

Or we can continue this, I can continue to slice and dice your arguments intp compost.

 

[ptsdkid]

You know kid, I was so looking forward to my nightly skinning and gutting of your of your post, using my judo debating technique...using your words to dismantle your position. Sadly, that will be difficult tonight, as in this particular post, you say absolutely nothing. My skills would be wasted, here, but I will try to make something out of very little.


***Very little (if anything) is exactly what you've brought here. I was so hoping that your apprentice would have risen to this occasion first, but expecting anything but a lackey follow-up to you is the best we can expect from junior.



No facts, no quotes, no evidence. You have been routed at every turn in this debate, and been exposed for all to see. You have one out to, perhaps, regain some of your destroyed credibilty and integrity; take responsiblity for what you have done. If you do, I ask that no one admonish the kid; one who admits they are wrong and takes responsibility for those behaviors should be admired. The offer is open.

***What facts and quotes do I need to prove my case? I'm a 100% total and permanently disabled combat veteran, end of story.




I agree with the fact that the VA and SSA have slacked off; the GAO Report evidences that about the VA; in fact shows evidence of more than slacking, it shows evidence of negligence and ineffectiveness.

***Take up your concern with the VA and or with SS.


On the other hand, what your doctor is doing is unethical, and borders on the criminal.

***Take up your concern with my doctor. Want his phone number?




If having psychological disorders disallowed one from being President, certain prior Heads of these United States would never have been permitted to serve. I'd appreciate you providing some evidence that becoming President was ever a possibility, since you claim that this would have been possible. President, kid? When was your GAF last checked?

***Well, of course I would have had to undergone a vicious personal scrutiny from the drive-by media during the campaign process. Do you remember the reason why Gary Hart had to pull out from his run for president? It was his personal history that doomed poor Gary. The married Gary Hart was caught in a hotel room with some high paid prostitute. How far do you think someone with a chronic history of psychiatric in and outpatient therapies would go in a presidential election campaign? I'm willing to bet that they would have used 3-ex marriages against me as well in citing more unstable behavior. So you can see el capitante--its not for reason of limited political acumen that kept me from becoming president, rather it was my trauma background coupled with an unforgiving society that decided my fate.



Hmmm... sounds employable.

Hmmm...could be employable

Hmmm...sounds employable...and employed.

***Could be, would be, should be? Let me tell you what it is......Officially ruled 'UNEMPLOYABLE'! Unofficially I am physically employable, but perhaps not emotionally stable enough to seek lasting employment. There is a difference between physically and emotionally capable...doncha know?




I told you, quite insulting my young apprentice. I'm could turn this thread over to him. You may discover that he has learned his lessons well.

***I'm glad to see that someone has faith in the young buck.


The offer is still open, kid. Take responsibility for your behavior and you can leave here with some self-respect. I will insist that NO ONE admonish you for that.

***Oh, but I am taking responsibility for my behavior by teaching Hautley and yourself the finer points of the American dream. Share and share alike.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

So, we finally meet at the same time, kid. This'll be brief...I wouldn't want to miss being able to post another response at 4:00 AM tomorrow. :mrgreen:

Very little (if anything) is exactly what you've brought here. I was so hoping that your apprentice would have risen to this occasion first, but expecting anything but a lackey follow-up to you is the best we can expect from junior.

I have brought far more than you can handle. Your dodges are intriguing, but irrelevant, and do nothing to save you.

What facts and quotes do I need to prove my case? I'm a 100% total and permanently disabled combat veteran, end of story.

You missed the point, kid. My comment was that, in no way did you refute any of my claims. All you did, was stick to the position that you are unempoyable, even when you have shown yourself to be employable. I recognize PTSD as being a serious disorder. Your own, current behaviors show you to be a productive member of society, one that can produce and not only can be employed, but are employed. And, as I've said to you in other threads, your combat service is most admirable and I commend you for serving this country.

Take up your concern with the VA and or with SS.

So, you agree?

Take up your concern with my doctor. Want his phone number?

Confidentiality laws prohibit that. But, are you saying, you agree?

Well, of course I would have had to undergone a vicious personal scrutiny from the drive-by media during the campaign process. Do you remember the reason why Gary Hart had to pull out from his run for president? It was his personal history that doomed poor Gary. The married Gary Hart was caught in a hotel room with some high paid prostitute. How far do you think someone with a chronic history of psychiatric in and outpatient therapies would go in a presidential election campaign? I'm willing to bet that they would have used 3-ex marriages against me as well in citing more unstable behavior. So you can see el capitante--its not for reason of limited political acumen that kept me from becoming president, rather it was my trauma background coupled with an unforgiving society that decided my fate.

This is acutally an accurate portrayal of the potential problems of someone running for President. Wouldn't you agree that societal intrigue into the private lives of politicians can, potentially, eliminate some very good candidates because of issues that have nothing to do with that person's ability to serve? Pet peeve of mine.

Could be, would be, should be? Let me tell you what it is......Officially ruled 'UNEMPLOYABLE'! Unofficially I am physically employable, but perhaps not emotionally stable enough to seek lasting employment. There is a difference between physically and emotionally capable...doncha know?

Sure I know the difference. Do you know the difference between doing substantial gainful work and not working?

I'm glad to see that someone has faith in the young buck.

He has potential.

Oh, but I am taking responsibility for my behavior by teaching Hautley and yourself the finer points of the American dream. Share and share alike.

Still refusing to own up to your loses. It is sad to see, but I shall keep trying to assist you in seeing the reality of your behaviors. No need to thank me...your kind attention is all the thanls I need.