Is it time to rethink the value meat brings to our society?

[AtlantaAdonis]

On top of the obvious environmental problems that producing meat causes, there is the issue of diseases...

The black plague was caused by Chinese eating mice.
HIV emerged because of the eating of simian meat in Africa.
Cornovavirus emerged because of Chinese eating bats.

In my experience there's a lot of men out there that love to feel all tough and manly putting blobs of flesh on a grill and torching them. Those people just lack creativity in the kitchen and would probably love a vegan diet if they tried it. If I'm the Democratic president I'm proposing a 20% tax on all meat products and creating vegetarian incentive programs for businesses and schools.

 

[Hypothetical]

On top of the obvious environmental problems that producing meat causes, there is the issue of diseases...

The black plague was caused by Chinese eating mice.
HIV emerged because of the eating of simian meat in Africa.
Cornovavirus emerged because of Chinese eating bats.

In my experience there's a lot of men out there that love to feel all tough and manly putting blobs of flesh on a grill and torching them. Those people just lack creativity in the kitchen and would probably love a vegan diet if they tried it. If I'm the Democratic president I'm proposing a 20% tax on all meat products and creating vegetarian incentive programs for businesses and schools.

don;t eat meat raw or undercooked and we would not have a problem.

 

[Moonglow]

On top of the obvious environmental problems that producing meat causes, there is the issue of diseases...

The black plague was caused by Chinese eating mice.
HIV emerged because of the eating of simian meat in Africa.
Cornovavirus emerged because of Chinese eating bats.

In my experience there's a lot of men out there that love to feel all tough and manly putting blobs of flesh on a grill and torching them. Those people just lack creativity in the kitchen and would probably love a vegan diet if they tried it. If I'm the Democratic president I'm proposing a 20% tax on all meat products and creating vegetarian incentive programs for businesses and schools.

You no like the monkey brain bashing to eat brains to feel closer to god brunches?

 

[Jay59]

Don't eat rats, bats, cats or dogs. Sorry if you are SE Asian, but that's the way I feel.

 

[ecofarm]

don;t eat meat raw or undercooked and we would not have a problem.

Sanitation is also required during preparation.

 

[ecofarm]

Don't eat rats, bats, cats or dogs. Sorry if you are SE Asian, but that's the way I feel.

Swine flu came from antibiotic soaked pigs. Mad cow from cows. Bird flu from antibiotic soaked chickens.

 

[Helix]

On top of the obvious environmental problems that producing meat causes, there is the issue of diseases...

The black plague was caused by Chinese eating mice.
HIV emerged because of the eating of simian meat in Africa.
Cornovavirus emerged because of Chinese eating bats.

In my experience there's a lot of men out there that love to feel all tough and manly putting blobs of flesh on a grill and torching them. Those people just lack creativity in the kitchen and would probably love a vegan diet if they tried it. If I'm the Democratic president I'm proposing a 20% tax on all meat products and creating vegetarian incentive programs for businesses and schools.

Mr. Bloomberg, please drop out so that a more appealing candidate has a better chance. oh, and have a Coke and a smile!

as for encouraging veganism or vegetarianism, that's not the way to do it.

 

[beancounter]

Meat consumption is deeply embedded in many cultures. It began as a sign of wealthy and power and is closly associated with manliness.

And of course lobbying by the meat industry helps maintain the practices and promotes misinformation. (OT- The dairy industry is much worse in this regard than the meat industry)

Im my experience, forcing people to go against traditional practices is the least effective method of getting people to reduce their meat consumption.

I would rather use " carrot" methods.

 

[ttwtt78640]

On top of the obvious environmental problems that producing meat causes, there is the issue of diseases...

The black plague was caused by Chinese eating mice.
HIV emerged because of the eating of simian meat in Africa.
Cornovavirus emerged because of Chinese eating bats.

In my experience there's a lot of men out there that love to feel all tough and manly putting blobs of flesh on a grill and torching them. Those people just lack creativity in the kitchen and would probably love a vegan diet if they tried it. If I'm the Democratic president I'm proposing a 20% tax on all meat products and creating vegetarian incentive programs for businesses and schools.

Not many in the US eat mice, monkeys or bats - other than that, your post made at least a tad of sense. More of the US corn crop is used for ethanol production than for animal feed, but combined they make up the bulk (75%?) of US corn comsumption.

 

[Moonglow]

Not many in the US eat mice, monkeys or bats - other than that, your post made at least a tad of sense. More of the US corn crop is used for ethanol production than for animal feed, but combined they make up the bulk (75%?) of US corn comsumption.

From what I understand is the ethanol process leaves the plant matter fodderable.

 

[Jay59]

Swine flu came from antibiotic soaked pigs. Mad cow from cows. Bird flu from antibiotic soaked chickens.

You say antibiotic soaked like it was true and a bad thing. Explain and justify.

Swine flu I don't know off the top of my head. Mad cows don't get eaten. Bird flu did not come from domestic birds. If you are saying the vector into humans, that also requires verification from a reliable source.

 

[ecofarm]

You say antibiotic soaked like it was true and a bad thing. Explain and justify.

Disease develops, adapts, in an environment. When that environment is challenging, the disease is more likely to develop. The use of antibiotics forces the development of diseases. In industrial animals, antibiotics are used all the time, sub-therapeutically, due to the not generally survivable conditions in which they are kept. In these sweatshops of animals, fed through tubes and never seeing the light of day, disease is born.

You understand we try to limit the use of antibiotics in order to slow the development of disease, of course. 80% of antibiotics administered in the US are administered to livestock.

 

[Chomsky]

On top of the obvious environmental problems that producing meat causes, there is the issue of diseases...

The black plague was caused by Chinese eating mice.
HIV emerged because of the eating of simian meat in Africa.
Cornovavirus emerged because of Chinese eating bats.

In my experience there's a lot of men out there that love to feel all tough and manly putting blobs of flesh on a grill and torching them. Those people just lack creativity in the kitchen and would probably love a vegan diet if they tried it. If I'm the Democratic president I'm proposing a 20% tax on all meat products and creating vegetarian incentive programs for businesses and schools.

I think the bolded is what happens when you either try to characterize a group of which you have no experience, or try to paint a group with a wide brush. Doing both of course leaves you in error.

I'm a cook-with-fire guy, and in fact I am cooking steaks for my family later on today!

:thumbs:

I won't use gas, but rather use natural charcoals or woods. Why? I/We love the flavor. As to creativity, we've had a restaurant in the family and I married into a family that had a restaurant. We love cooking, love eating, and proverbially "live to eat".

Rethink whatever you want, but keep it to yourself and yours, just as I do not push my personal preferences & ideologies upon yourself and those you love.

BTW - Feel free to drop by around 3, and if you don't like the food - I'm sure you'll love the wine! I think you'll find the company fine, too! (just don't tell us what to eat)

 

[Jay59]

Disease develops, adapts, in an environment. When that environment is challenging, the disease is more likely to develop. The use of antibiotics forces the development of diseases. In industrial animals, antibiotics are used all the time, sub-therapeutically, due to the not generally survivable conditions in which they are kept. In these sweatshops of animals, fed through tubes and never seeing the light of day, disease is born.

You understand we try to limit the use of antibiotics in order to slow the development of disease, of course. 80% of antibiotics administered in the US are administered to livestock.

Which is a non answer. Chomsky has the gist of it. Bloody bovine muscle tissue, dripping tallow onto carbon monoxide rich partial flame, producing carcinogenic burn products is a good thing. I have no illusions that it is the healthiest thing.

 

[ecofarm]

Which is a non answer. Chomsky has the gist of it. Bloody bovine muscle tissue, dripping tallow onto carbon monoxide rich partial flame, producing carcinogenic burn products is a good thing. I have no illusions that it is the healthiest thing.

Tastes are acquired. We like what we have a positive association with. It's not the roasting of flesh but the gathering of family and good times that draw someone to barbecue. What is a delicacy in one place is inedible in another. The part of modifying one's diet that is most often ignored is 'tastes are acquired'. People try to modify their diet by eating something they don't like, alone and disgruntled. One will never find a taste for food taken in such conditions. One must create positive associations for new food if it is ever to be adopted into one's diet.

There is physiological response to a glut of fat and salt, as is there to sugar. Diet is more than physiological response.

 

[Mr Person]

Swine flu came from antibiotic soaked pigs. Mad cow from cows. Bird flu from antibiotic soaked chickens.

Eh?

The first and third are caused by viruses, not bacteria (unless they're horribly misnamed). The second results from consuming certain prions.

Antibiotics had no direct effect on producing those three things, though perhaps you could reply that the first and third were indirectly made more probable in that antibiotics use lets them keep more animals in a given space. But they could still spread even without antibiotics-for-all policies.

 

[snakestretcher]

I think the bolded is what happens when you either try to characterize a group of which you have no experience, or try to paint a group with a wide brush. Doing both of course leaves you in error.

I'm a cook-with-fire guy, and in fact I am cooking steaks for my family later on today!

:thumbs:

I won't use gas, but rather use natural charcoals or woods. Why? I/We love the flavor. As to creativity, we've had a restaurant in the family and I married into a family that had a restaurant. We love cooking, love eating, and proverbially "live to eat".

Rethink whatever you want, but keep it to yourself and yours, just as I do not push my personal preferences & ideologies upon yourself and those you love.

BTW - Feel free to drop by around 3, and if you don't like the food - I'm sure you'll love the wine! I think you'll find the company fine, too! (just don't tell us what to eat)

Sadly I'm many thousands of miles away, but your offer was hugely tempting!

 

[ecofarm]

Eh?

The first and third are caused by viruses, not bacteria (unless they're horribly misnamed). The second results from consuming certain prions.

Antibiotics had no direct effect on producing those three things, though perhaps you could reply that the first and third were indirectly made more probable in that antibiotics use lets them keep more animals in a given space. But they could still spread even without antibiotics-for-all policies.

Antibiotic resistance and other traits are developed under selection. That's why we limit antibiotic use.

 

[Grandpappy]

Nothing like a nice ribeye steak. :thumbs:

 

[Mr Person]

Antibiotic resistance and other traits are developed under selection. That's why we limit antibiotic use.

Yes, I know that.

 

[ecofarm]

Yes, I know that.

Except regarding industrial, and private, food animals.

 

[OscarLevant]

Swine flu came from antibiotic soaked pigs. Mad cow from cows. Bird flu from antibiotic soaked chickens.

I buy non-antiobiotic fed meats. Antibiotics are poisoning society, they kill good bugs, not just the bad, and they create superbugs.

 

[ecofarm]

I buy non-antiobiotic fed meats. Antibiotics are poisoning society, they kill good bugs, not just the bad, and they create superbugs.

That means a farm that only employed antibiotics therapeutically and separated the ill animal. Farms that require sub-therapeutic antibiotics do so due to conditions.

 

[Chomsky]

Sadly I'm many thousands of miles away, but your offer was hugely tempting!

/sends rain-check

Afterwards, you'll know if we like you - if we send you off with a bottle of Sicilian Nero from our stash!

 

[GDViking]

Which is a non answer. Chomsky has the gist of it. Bloody bovine muscle tissue, dripping tallow onto carbon monoxide rich partial flame, producing carcinogenic burn products is a good thing. I have no illusions that it is the healthiest thing.

I've always said I would rather live happy than long...
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