MaggieD
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DUNCAN, Okla. (AP) — Oklahoma prosecutors have charged two teenage boys with first-degree murder in the random killing of an Australian baseball player as he jogged on a tree-lined road. A third teenager was charged with being an accessory.
Officers say Christopher Lane was shot dead in what Police Chief Dan Ford described as a thrill killing. Ford said a 17-year-old defendant told officers that the three teenagers were bored and shot Lane for "the fun of it."
Boys ages 15 and 16 were charged with first-degree murder and ordered held without bond. Bond was set at $1 million for the 17-year-old, who also was accused of using a vehicle while a weapon was discharged.
The 17-year-old said in open court, "I pulled the trigger," but the judge directed him to remain quiet.
This is such a tragic story . . .
Two teens charged with murder of Australian college baseball player
I don't know what kind of supervision these kids had . . . whether they had involved parents or not . . . whether their parents had tried to get them help if they had previous records. I don't know a whole damned lot here.
But I know this is tragic. And these kinds of shootings happen all too frequently.
Should parents be held culpable in some way when their kids break the law if it can be shown they acted negligently as parents?
This is such a tragic story . . .
Two teens charged with murder of Australian college baseball player
I don't know what kind of supervision these kids had . . . whether they had involved parents or not . . . whether their parents had tried to get them help if they had previous records. I don't know a whole damned lot here.
But I know this is tragic. And these kinds of shootings happen all too frequently.
Should parents be held culpable in some way when their kids break the law if it can be shown they acted negligently as parents?
To break the chain... Yes.
Parents should take responsibility for their children. If the child is beyond control, the parents can get help. If they do not attempt to get help, and the child commits a crime, the parent should be responsible for their unsupervised acts. If a parent can be prosecuted and have their children taken from them for neglect, then this is no less an act of neglect than any other form. If a parent has a weapon in the house and the child takes the weapon and commits a crime, the parent can be held responsible. If a kid breaks the neighbors window, the parents have to pay to replace the window. Why is being held responsible for a window any more important than being held responsible for a murderous act?
If parents knew that they could be held responsible for the actions of their unsupervised and undisciplined kids, maybe they would take appropriate actions to get the kids either under control, or the help from others to get the kids under control.
The problem comes when you define "unsupervised" and "undisciplined" for people whose personal views of both will vary widely. Then deciding who gets to adjudicate, etc., etc. That would not be a place where I would want to live.eace
To break the chain... Yes.
Parents should take responsibility for their children. If the child is beyond control, the parents can get help. If they do not attempt to get help, and the child commits a crime, the parent should be responsible for their unsupervised acts. If a parent can be prosecuted and have their children taken from them for neglect, then this is no less an act of neglect than any other form. If a parent has a weapon in the house and the child takes the weapon and commits a crime, the parent can be held responsible. If a kid breaks the neighbors window, the parents have to pay to replace the window. Why is being held responsible for a window any more important than being held responsible for a murderous act?
If parents knew that they could be held responsible for the actions of their unsupervised and undisciplined kids, maybe they would take appropriate actions to get the kids either under control, or the help from others to get the kids under control.
To break the chain... Yes.
Parents should take responsibility for their children. If the child is beyond control, the parents can get help. If they do not attempt to get help, and the child commits a crime, the parent should be responsible for their unsupervised acts. If a parent can be prosecuted and have their children taken from them for neglect, then this is no less an act of neglect than any other form. If a parent has a weapon in the house and the child takes the weapon and commits a crime, the parent can be held responsible. If a kid breaks the neighbors window, the parents have to pay to replace the window. Why is being held responsible for a window any more important than being held responsible for a murderous act?
If parents knew that they could be held responsible for the actions of their unsupervised and undisciplined kids, maybe they would take appropriate actions to get the kids either under control, or the help from others to get the kids under control.
This is such a tragic story . . .
Two teens charged with murder of Australian college baseball player
I don't know what kind of supervision these kids had . . . whether they had involved parents or not . . . whether their parents had tried to get them help if they had previous records. I don't know a whole damned lot here.
But I know this is tragic. And these kinds of shootings happen all too frequently.
Should parents be held culpable in some way when their kids break the law if it can be shown they acted negligently as parents?
Regardless of the terminology, if a child (under the age of 16) commits a crime, the parents should be held accountable for the actions of their children.
And it would be the courts, a jury of our peers, that would make the determination.
Agreed but the trigger man should be put to death and I don't mean 20 years from now.It may be a tempting proposal ... but .... no
The other problem is laws now severely limit what a parent can do. There is a problem with government giving parents a huge list of what a parent must and must not do - and then prosecute parents when the government required parenting system fails. For example, in most jurisdictions it is ALWAYS illegal for a parent to do any corporal punishment under any circumstance.
This is pretty much where I am on this issue. Parents who've had ample warning that their kids are out of control -- who haven't sought help -- who've enabled their bad behavior -- who don't supervise them properly -- there should be some accountability.
17-year-olds don't own cars. Their parents own them. 17-year-olds live at home. Where did the kid get the gun? Where's he been storing it? Did his parents know and not report it as a crime? Or know and not confiscate it? It's a sticky wicket. I understand that. But kids running wild? If holding parents somehow accountable isn't part of the answer, then what is?
This is such a tragic story . . .
Two teens charged with murder of Australian college baseball player
I don't know what kind of supervision these kids had . . . whether they had involved parents or not . . . whether their parents had tried to get them help if they had previous records. I don't know a whole damned lot here.
But I know this is tragic. And these kinds of shootings happen all too frequently.
Should parents be held culpable in some way when their kids break the law if it can be shown they acted negligently as parents?
That doesn't feel right to me, although I'm curious to read what others have to say.This is such a tragic story . . .
Two teens charged with murder of Australian college baseball player
I don't know what kind of supervision these kids had . . . whether they had involved parents or not . . . whether their parents had tried to get them help if they had previous records. I don't know a whole damned lot here.
But I know this is tragic. And these kinds of shootings happen all too frequently.
Should parents be held culpable in some way when their kids break the law if it can be shown they acted negligently as parents?
This is such a tragic story . . .
Two teens charged with murder of Australian college baseball player
I don't know what kind of supervision these kids had . . . whether they had involved parents or not . . . whether their parents had tried to get them help if they had previous records. I don't know a whole damned lot here.
But I know this is tragic. And these kinds of shootings happen all too frequently.
Should parents be held culpable in some way when their kids break the law if it can be shown they acted negligently as parents?
If you hold parents responsible - then they take on the punishment? By what, doing time? What good does that honestly do? What if the mom or dad have other kids, their careers? The murder isn't bad enough, just spread the devastation around because jo-jo was an freaking heartless idiot?
I don't think so - I just see any parent out there, good or bad, being tossed in the clink for something their kid did. . .and their kids having to be put in foster care, all because jo-jo was a jackass. Doesn't sit well with me, one tragedy is enough, I think.
This is such a tragic story . . .
Two teens charged with murder of Australian college baseball player
I don't know what kind of supervision these kids had . . . whether they had involved parents or not . . . whether their parents had tried to get them help if they had previous records. I don't know a whole damned lot here.
But I know this is tragic. And these kinds of shootings happen all too frequently.
Should parents be held culpable in some way when their kids break the law if it can be shown they acted negligently as parents?
And if the child committed the crime in defiance of the parents' teaching to the contrary? Or if the child committed the crime with the intention of getting his/her parents prosecuted?eace
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