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It is definately child abuse. No doubt about it. Maybe if parents wouldn't teach their children violence, we wouldn't have all these Manson's running around.Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
No it's not. It depends on how it's applied and the reason for it.
Perhaps if Mssrs Harris and Klebold had been given ten lashes each, in public for their earlier crime...car theft, wasn't it?...then perhaps they'd have learned to behave....then again, maybe it should have been their parents that should have been whipped...
A lot depends on the culture, too. 500 years ago, when battles were fought face to face, would it be abuse to coddle the child and not prepare him for future conflict? That child would become meat real quick.
Billo_Really said:It is definately child abuse. No doubt about it. Maybe if parents wouldn't teach their children violence, we wouldn't have all these Manson's running around.
Yes... It stems from all those ancient banana wars..:roll:Scarecrow Akhbar said:Violence is in our genes. We're descended from killer apes. No point in pretending that violence had to be taught and that if it wasn't taught it would go away.
There as never been a violent baby born in the history of this planet. So your wrong, we program it in to them. Everyone that has been interviewed on death row have all said they were abused as children. If you strike your child in anger, you are a child abuser. Your also a lazy parent. Some things in life you can't do part time.Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
Violence is in our genes. We're descended from killer apes. No point in pretending that violence had to be taught and that if it wasn't taught it would go away.
I was beaten as a child. I resented my father so much that I practically didn't see him for 18 years until 4 hours before he passed away.Originally posted by Hoot:
Hitting a child is wrong. Period. The act of spanking a child is violence. You do not gain some sort of all knowing merciful lesson by an act of violence. I still say that those parents who spank their children are poor parents, those incapable of teaching a lesson except by violence.
Yeah, great lesson, there
Billo_Really said:There as never been a violent baby born in the history of this planet. So your wrong, we program it in to them. Everyone that has been interviewed on death row have all said they were abused as children. If you strike your child in anger, you are a child abuser. Your also a lazy parent. Some things in life you can't do part time.
Hoot, there is a huge difference between abusing the child and spanking the child. If a man can tell or know the difference, then he has no business being a parent !Hoot said:Hitting a child is wrong. Period. The act of spanking a child is violence. You do not gain some sort of all knowing merciful lesson by an act of violence. I still say that those parents who spank their children are poor parents, those incapable of teaching a lesson except by violence.
Yeah, great lesson, there.
Billo_Really said:I was beaten as a child. I resented my father so much that I practically didn't see him for 18 years until 4 hours before he passed away.
Billo_Really said:I was beaten as a child. I resented my father so much that I practically didn't see him for 18 years until 4 hours before he passed away.
Deegan said:I feel your pain my friend, I was also raised with an abusive father, he was far from perfect, but he was all I had, and all I would ever have. I never had the chance to ask him why he was so angry, and frustrated. Still, I actually took comfort in his abuse, as some attention, was better then none at all, as sad as that sounds, it's life as we know it. Unfortunately you don't have to have a liscense to have children, and the child does not come with directions, so we all have to do the best we can with the cards we are dealt. I don't offer you condolences, as that will not help you at this point in your life, but don't transfer your experiences on to others, as there are good parents out there that spank their children. I always knew there was a reason we were close, now I know what that connection is about. We love you here, and that may or may not comfort you, but if it does, hold on to that feeling, we are all screwed up here, you're not alone my friend.
Yes... That was Great from the heart... Thanks Deeg.earthworm said:All should read this a second time.Deegan said:I feel your pain my friend, I was also raised with an abusive father, he was far from perfect, but he was all I had, and all I would ever have. I never had the chance to ask him why he was so angry, and frustrated. Still, I actually took comfort in his abuse, as some attention, was better then none at all, as sad as that sounds, it's life as we know it. Unfortunately you don't have to have a liscense to have children, and the child does not come with directions, so we all have to do the best we can with the cards we are dealt. I don't offer you condolences, as that will not help you at this point in your life, but don't transfer your experiences on to others, as there are good parents out there that spank their children. I always knew there was a reason we were close, now I know what that connection is about. We love you here, and that may or may not comfort you, but if it does, hold on to that feeling, we are all screwed up here, you're not alone my friend.
I too was supposedly "abused" as was my sister. Our defensive systems are quite good at protecting ourselves psychologically - all the bad is simply forgotten, and will stay that way..
Father was simply too young for children at the time - plus the pressures of having to earn a living..
I never, as I recall, never had to spank my daughter, she was simply obedient, but I had to "speak" to her at times..
Kandahar said:You're saying that a few isolated incidents of sociopaths murdering fellow classmates will be stopped, if only schools are allowed to beat their students for talking during class? Could you possibly be any more irrational?
Navy Pride said:A few isolated incidents, give me a break....These are kids killing kids in schools.......That never happened when I went to school........
Thank you.Originally posted by Deegan:
I feel your pain my friend, I was also raised with an abusive father, he was far from perfect, but he was all I had, and all I would ever have. I never had the chance to ask him why he was so angry, and frustrated. Still, I actually took comfort in his abuse, as some attention, was better then none at all, as sad as that sounds, it's life as we know it. Unfortunately you don't have to have a liscense to have children, and the child does not come with directions, so we all have to do the best we can with the cards we are dealt. I don't offer you condolences, as that will not help you at this point in your life, but don't transfer your experiences on to others, as there are good parents out there that spank their children. I always knew there was a reason we were close, now I know what that connection is about. We love you here, and that may or may not comfort you, but if it does, hold on to that feeling, we are all screwed up here, you're not alone my friend
I wished it could have been different, but that's what went down.Originally posted by Cherokee:
I am sorry to hear that......
earthworm said:So, yes, it is fine and dandy to spank the child as necessary, providing this is done in a loving manner.
Maybe in a perfect world mine would not have hurt... But then neither would it have happened. Its just not necessary... I proved it over, twice now, with my own two boys.earthworm said:After the spanking, which really does NOT hurt; the discussion and hugs can continue.
Stace said:No freaking way. There are MANY families that do not believe in spanking, period, and there is no way that the school should be allowed to undermine that.
Hoot said:Hitting a child is wrong. Period. The act of spanking a child is violence. You do not gain some sort of all knowing merciful lesson by an act of violence. I still say that those parents who spank their children are poor parents, those incapable of teaching a lesson except by violence.
Yeah, great lesson, there.
Exactly how I feel. Taking something away from children does not work every time. Look at it this way, it`s like imposing sanctions on a government vs military action, most of the time sanctions do not work you have to take military action and spank them.SouthernDemocrat said:That is absolutely ridiculous. When you spank your child, you are simply teaching them that there are consequences for their actions. No decent human being enjoys having to spank their children. However, there are times with many kids that spanking them may be the only way to truly impress upon them something.
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