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Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln?"

  • Yes, Lincoln's policies were ideologically equivalent to the modern GOP's

    Votes: 5 20.0%
  • No, Lincoln's policies were not consistent to the modern GOP's

    Votes: 20 80.0%

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The GOP has often been called "The Party of Lincoln." It's true that the first Republican president was Abraham Lincoln.

But the implication is that the party is politically aligned with how Lincoln was. Do you think that that is a true description?
 
The GOP has often been called "The Party of Lincoln." It's true that the first Republican president was Abraham Lincoln.

But the implication is that the party is politically aligned with how Lincoln was. Do you think that that is a true description?

I think that you are reading far too much into "The Party of Lincoln". He was the first majorly successful republican, so there is nothing wrong with referring to the republican party as "The Party of Lincoln".
 
The GOP has often been called "The Party of Lincoln." It's true that the first Republican president was Abraham Lincoln.

But the implication is that the party is politically aligned with how Lincoln was. Do you think that that is a true description?
Lincoln was a Republican!!!
 
Lincoln was a whig, a republican, and finally a member of the National Union Party or something like that in his last election.
 
Lincoln left the "Radical Repubs" in 1864 and formed his National Union Party. Then he was murdered. The time-line was changed.

Radical Repubs took over the party and what ensued was the genocide of Native Americans and the trashing of the South.
 

This is the 1860 Republican platform. 2, 4, 6, 13, and 15 would be seen in a platform of Republican party today in almost the same language. 14 and 16 not so much. Its a mixed bag but if we say that Republicans wouldn't vote for slavery now, we could say that the Republican of Lincoln's day is very similar to the Republicans of day.
 
The GOP has often been called "The Party of Lincoln." It's true that the first Republican president was Abraham Lincoln.

But the implication is that the party is politically aligned with how Lincoln was. Do you think that that is a true description?

They can call it that if they want, but they're not fooling anyone except fools. It would be like calling the Democrats "The party of Thomas Jefferson". Time has passed. The GOP isn't the party of Lincoln. It's the party of George Bush and Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney and Michelle Bachman. It's the party of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. It was the party of Lincoln, but that was a few generations ago.
 
The Republican ideology is more closely identified with the "states' rights" platform, which was embraced by the South in fighting the civil war against Lincoln. IMO.
 
The GOP has often been called "The Party of Lincoln." It's true that the first Republican president was Abraham Lincoln.

But the implication is that the party is politically aligned with how Lincoln was. Do you think that that is a true description?

Do you think the current Democratic Party is aligned with how FDR was?
 
I'm learning a lot from this thread.

Being as honest as I can, the driving force behind the GOP in Lincoln's day was standing up to the slavery industry in the face of criticisms that its not the place of government to tell private business owners how to operate, opposing states rights and doing the right thing aka values or social conservatism. You guys are making me really ponder on this one but I'm actually starting to wonder now if the GOP of today more closely mirrors the GOP under Lincoln or the Confederacy Davis.

I just wrote up a list of similarities and differences between today's GOP and Lincoln's GOP as well as today's GOP and the Confederacy. I decided to delete it. No need make people who happen to be emotional invested in their political tribalism get defensive.
 

Damn the torpedos, it may be a worthy discussion if everyone remains civil. .... Hmmm, you're probably correct; It maybe too much to ask. eace
 
Damn the torpedos, it may be a worthy discussion if everyone remains civil. .... Hmmm, you're probably correct; It maybe too much to ask. eace

Go ahead and start a thread. I don't want people jumping all over me.
 
Do you think the current Democratic Party is aligned with how FDR was?

Interesting question. Although Democrats don't use "The Party of FDR" as a shorthand for the party, he is still the most revered figure from the party.

Still, I think the Democratic party is a lot less liberal since FDR's time. FDR was way more focused on the poor, whereas modern Democrats have accepted the political difficulty of focusing on them and instead focus on the Middle Class and class mobility. In 1944 the top tax income rate was set at 94%. Democrats want to tax the rich higher, but not by that much. FDR created a huge amount of government spending to work on the country's infrastructure, support the arts, and put people back to work. While Democrats support these goals today, they are obstructed by the huge national debt that already exists, preventing us from spending our way out of the slow recovery.

I'd say that modern Democrats are ideologically aligned with FDR, but only up to a point, and they give way to pragmatism most of the time.
 
Hard to answer that question, as many things have evolved or changed. Then you have to be aware that the Radical Republicans were a breed all their own in comparison with those old Whigs.
 
A ruthless warmonger that suspended habeas corpus? Yeah, he could be a Republican today.
 
In time, or perhaps, in the near future, the GOP will certainly be the party of Lincoln in one way I can think of.

Dead.
 
The Republican party today is soooooooo radically different from the things that Lincoln stood for that it is a disgrace for them to claim that. I did notice at the last convention, as opposed to the dozens before it...they hardly made the reference.
 
Go ahead and start a thread. I don't want people jumping all over me.


I believe you to be correct... while some subjects seem to invite 'snark' others deserve a reasonable, eventho contentious, discussion/debate. I wouldn't get in the kindergarten sandbox concerning the historic status of the Democratic Party... I will not do it concerning the Republican Party. It's already begun; while mild so far it no doubt will increase. I just don't do 'sandbox' well. So, as you, Ill probably sit this thread out and observe.
You offered a great question. I had hope.... Ah, well; crap in one hand; wish in the other... which one gets full first?

Have a terrific day Sir,

Thom Paine
 

I'm a Republican myself. I just think Obama made us get a little crazy if you want my opinion. Why that is, I don't know but the biggest impactor on the culture of the Republican party in recent history has been Barack Obama. I've never seen anything like it and certainly nothing I ever expected. He single handedly caused a good portion to lose their ever-loving-minds without even trying and it started before he was even elected.
 

How much is racism a factor? Not saying every Republican is a racist, or that some Democrats aren't. Just a lot of Dixiecrats became Southern Republicans.
 
The GOP has often been called "The Party of Lincoln." It's true that the first Republican president was Abraham Lincoln.

But the implication is that the party is politically aligned with how Lincoln was. Do you think that that is a true description?

Lincoln is dead, along with what his party was. Same with the Democrats, and any other party that claims historical backing.
 
How much is racism a factor? Not saying every Republican is a racist, or that some Democrats aren't. Just a lot of Dixiecrats became Southern Republicans.

I think some of it is racially motivated animosity. I've seen youtube clips where people admit they don't like him because of his ethnicity. I try to defend people's right to disagree with a black leader on the issues and not be labeled a racist for it but I have difficulty reconciling the level of emotion in the animosity over supposed issues they had little to no problems with when other leaders did the same things either first or to a greater degree. Nevertheless I still think racially motivated negative attitudes toward him are in the minority. Most who hold him to a double standard I think are just going along with the team and have surrendered their passions and reasoning to the sense of security they get from agreeing with their favorite political pundit(s).

I cannot end this be not agreeing further with you that racial divisiveness goes both ways. I do think there are some black leaders on the left who specialize not in making America more united but more divided along racial lines. Everything bad that happens isn't because of racism. One of the things that infuriated me in the Bush years was when some people labeled him a racist. Bush likes and has done more for black people than most black people for crying out loud. I'm black and my pastor is white. Bush's pastor (unless he's changed churches) is black. Millions is not tens of millions of Africans with HIV will live long lives because of his foreign policy initiatives that got anti-viral medications to people in Africa would could not afford them. Most Americans on either side of the political divide don't even care about race other than to admire the cultural contributions different ethnic groups have made on the larger American culture. For example, today my white boss treated me to lunch at a higher end (relatively speaking) soul food restaurant we'd both been meaning to visit. Initially thinking he'd be the only white person there, he was pleasantly surprised at the number of white patrons there and couldn't stop talking about how good the food was. American rock and pop music wouldn't be what it is today without the influences of American R&B and so on and we all can appreciate each other's different contributions.
 
I cannot end this be not agreeing further with you that racial divisiveness goes both ways.

I'm glad you agree it's a problem. I sympathize with the average Republican who are embarrassed by the representatives of their party that make the most offensive statements. Still, I think rational representatives have to shame their peers when they make outrageous statements. I've seen more examples of these call-outs recently, but for a while there the silence was thunderous.
 
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