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Is It A Lie To Say You Support The Troops But Not Their Mission?

IS IT A LIE TO SAY YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS BUT NOT THEIR MISSION?

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CurrentAffairs said:
And I wonder why all of those wonderful American youth volunteer to serve in that war? Oh yeah, because they believe in the cause. Because they understand what is at stake. Because they realize that war has been necessary throughout the ages. Because they don't allow Rosie O'Donnell and Barbra Streisand to tell them what to think. Because they are proud of their country, proud of thier commander-in-chief and proud to serve YOU.

Don't worry, I'll thank them for you.
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What Cause???? I can see no cause, all I can see is a cost in wonderful American lives and taxpayer money.
 
disneydude said:
Nor should it be given up willingly in hopes of a little false security.
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You call it false security becasue you hate this president and everything he stands for.........In spite of that and all the hindrances by the left he will still protect all Americans even the ones that have this unnatural perverted hate for him........
 
Now Now Navy....don't get so worked up. Sounds like you disagree with the premise. So let me ask you straight out "Do you believe that Freedom is important and should not be given up for a sense of security OR Do you believe that Freedom is not that important and is certainly not as important as a sense of security?

A simple one or the other will suffice.
Somehow.....I don't expect a straight answer from you.
 
Navy Pride said:
Freedom is not free............You Libs need to keep that in mind..........
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I felt free before 9/11.

I felt free during the period of time after 9/11 and before the Afganistan conflict kicked off.

I felt free during the time between the start of the Afganistan conflict and the start of the Iraqi Freedom war.

I felt free after the Iraqi war had started. (except for the times I was there, but thats the sacrifice that is made).

And I would still feel free had we not done any of it. Because some ****ing group of ragheads without a huge Army are never going to destroy my freedom here in the U.S., because they lack the ability to invade and take over my country.

Now, if you are saying that Iraqi Freedom isn't free. You are right... But instead of costing Iraqi patriot lives, its costing the Lives of American Patriots, while the rest of America could give a **** less if they were ever freed.

As a nation, you have to earn your freedom. The nation of Iraq had their freedom handed to them instead. And this is why they are less likely to keep it, unless they can step up and take control of their own destiny.
 
disneydude said:
Now Now Navy....don't get so worked up. Sounds like you disagree with the premise. So let me ask you straight out "Do you believe that Freedom is important and should not be given up for a sense of security OR Do you believe that Freedom is not that important and is certainly not as important as a sense of security?

A simple one or the other will suffice.
Somehow.....I don't expect a straight answer from you.
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It can't be answered with a yes or know............Example: You lefties are against the NSA wiretapping of terrorists making calls to people in this country when in fact this wire tapping may have prevented another 9/11..........
God forbid if another attack took place becasue of your ****ing up the NSA wiretapping operation you lefties would be the first ones to cry the President did not do enough to protect you.......Its a no win situation but he will protect you Bush haters in spite of yourselves......

God forbid we don't see a nuclear cloud of LA some day becasue of the lefts hinderance...........
 
Navy Pride said:
It can't be answered with a yes or know............Example: You lefties are against the NSA wiretapping of terrorists making calls to people in this country when in fact this wire tapping may have prevented another 9/11..........
God forbid if another attack took place becasue of your ****ing up the NSA wiretapping operation you lefties would be the first ones to cry the President did not do enough to protect you.......Its a no win situation but he will protect you Bush haters in spite of yourselves......

God forbid we don't see a nuclear cloud of LA some day becasue of the lefts hinderance...........
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Thank you Navy. Truly. I will take this response as the first time I have actually seen an admission from you (or about a close of one as we will get), that all the times you railed against people for not answering a question (yes/no) was wrong....because as you say...there are questions that simply cannot be answered with a yes/no.
Sincerely....its refreshing to see that maybe....just maybe there is a glimmer in that head of yours....I promise to let you off the hook (for now) with the questions that I have been attempting to get you to admit could not be answered yes/no.
 
Originally Posted by Navy Pride
It can't be answered with a yes or know............
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disneydude said:
Thank you Navy. Truly. I will take this response as the first time I have actually seen an admission from you (or about a close of one as we will get), that all the times you railed against people for not answering a question (yes/no) was wrong....because as you say...there are questions that simply cannot be answered with a yes/no.
Sincerely....its refreshing to see that maybe....just maybe there is a glimmer in that head of yours....I promise to let you off the hook (for now) with the questions that I have been attempting to get you to admit could not be answered yes/no.
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Tho' in NP's case, I might agree he can't answer with a yes or "know" heh heh
 
Iriemon said:
Tho' in NP's case, I might agree he can't answer with a yes or "know" heh heh
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This deserves more than a thank-you button click.
This is priceless.:2funny:
Wonder how far it flew over his head? :2wave:
 
BWG said:
This deserves more than a thank-you button click.
This is priceless.:2funny:
Wonder how far it flew over his head? :2wave:
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Will you 3 libs get a room for your menage a troi?;)
 
Navy Pride said:
Freedom is not free............You Libs need to keep that in mind..........
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What does the War in Iraq have to do with my freedom. Absolutely nothing.

I was in vietnam, I have seen war and death. At least in VietNam, we were invited in by the government of South Viet Nam.

Bush's war has nothing to do with Freedom, Civil Rights, the fight against Al Quaida, there was absolutely no reason for Americans to be dying in that war.

I support the troops, but I do not and will never support Bush's mission for going to war.

How Come Bush does not want to do anything to protect, or help our troops or other Americans?
 
dragonslayer said:
What does the War in Iraq have to do with my freedom. Absolutely nothing.

I was in vietnam, I have seen war and death. At least in VietNam, we were invited in by the government of South Viet Nam.

Bush's war has nothing to do with Freedom, Civil Rights, the fight against Al Quaida, there was absolutely no reason for Americans to be dying in that war.

I support the troops, but I do not and will never support Bush's mission for going to war.

How Come Bush does not want to do anything to protect, or help our troops or other Americans?
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Freedom is not free............You Libs need to keep that in mind..........

Come on Navy, please stop throwing out silly cliches.
 
dragonslayer said:
What does the War in Iraq have to do with my freedom. Absolutely nothing.

I was in vietnam, I have seen war and death. At least in VietNam, we were invited in by the government of South Viet Nam.

Bush's war has nothing to do with Freedom, Civil Rights, the fight against Al Quaida, there was absolutely no reason for Americans to be dying in that war.

I support the troops, but I do not and will never support Bush's mission for going to war.

How Come Bush does not want to do anything to protect, or help our troops or other Americans?
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What you liberals can't seem to get is Bush's mission is the troops mission.....They are one in the same............
You can't support one and not support the other just because you hate the president....
 
Navy Pride said:
What you liberals can't seem to get is Bush's mission is the troops mission.....They are one in the same............
You can't support one and not support the other just because you hate the president....
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Trust me Navy....we get that just fine. What you don't understand is that there is a clear distinction between "supporting the troops" and "supporting the mission of the troops - which is Cheney/Rumsfield/Bush's mission".
You don't have to support the mission that the troops have been sent on to "support the troops". In fact, I think it is pretty clear that supporting this mission is contrary to "supporting the troops".
Us "Liberals" understand that "supporting the troops" means doing what is best for the men and women of the uniform and for the country vs. staying the course with Bush's selfishness and stubborness to protect his own legacy, by trying to salvage something out of the mess that they have created.
Supporting Bush's mission will mean that more men and women of the military will sacrifice their lives on a mission that is contrary to recommendations of the generals and is devoid of any clear plan.
Supporting the troops means bringing them home as soon as we legitimately can.....it doesn't mean sending more off to fight in a civil war where they are targeted by both sides.
 
Navy Pride said:
What you liberals can't seem to get is Bush's mission is the troops mission.....They are one in the same............
You can't support one and not support the other just because you hate the president....
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But, what you DON'T get is that the Troops to not choose their mission.

Therefore, this statement means jack ****.

How about responding to post 131 please....

Or are you going to "CUT AND RUN"???
 
Caine said:
But, what you DON'T get is that the Troops to not choose their mission.

Therefore, this statement means jack ****.

How about responding to post 131 please....

Or are you going to "CUT AND RUN"???
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If you were ever in the military you would know its not a democracy....The military follow the orders of their superiors.......It is and all voluteer force....When you sign up you know you might have to fight in a war.......I think most of our brave men in Iraq know that at least the ones I talk too.........Present company excluded.........:roll:
 
Navy Pride said:
If you were ever in the military you would know its not a democracy....The military follow the orders of their superiors.......It is and all voluteer force....When you sign up you know you might have to fight in a war.......I think most of our brave men in Iraq know that at least the ones I talk too.........Present company excluded.........:roll:
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Ahem....

Does that change the fact that they President, not the troops, is the one who chooses the mission?

So, therefore, what does that have to do with this debate??????

You make it sound as if, because someone signed up, the agreed that no matter how stupid their mission is, they will agree with why they are doing it.

Sorry, that wasn't the prerequisite. The prerequisite is, no matter how ignorant their mission is, if called upon to fight, they will fight and work diligently to accomplish that mission, and will not quit until it is accomplished (or politicians say they it is accomplished is more like it).

I don't remember anywhere there being a statement that says becomming a soldier made me give up my ability to think for myself, and make my own opinions of what I am being made to do.

An opinion is one thing, an action is something different.

Why is that so hard to understand?

And you are still cutting and running from post 131.
 
Navy Pride said:
What you liberals can't seem to get is Bush's mission is the troops mission.....They are one in the same............
You can't support one and not support the other just because you hate the president....
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If what you say is true, then I quess I have to not like the troops. If anyone asks me, I will have to honestly say that I dislike the troops because NavyArms told me I had to dislike them. I know the troops only follow orders as I did, now I have it before me that I have to dislike American troops because NavyArms say it can be no other way.
 
Navy Pride said:
If you were ever in the military you would know its not a democracy....The military follow the orders of their superiors.......It is and all voluteer force....When you sign up you know you might have to fight in a war.......I think most of our brave men in Iraq know that at least the ones I talk too.........Present company excluded.........:roll:
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many soldiers sign up because they want to defend their country no matter what the mission and i salute them for that. but that doesn't mean that they argree w/ the mission. they just want to defend their homeland and the great people of this country.
 
dragonslayer said:
If what you say is true, then I quess I have to not like the troops. If anyone asks me, I will have to honestly say that I dislike the troops because NavyArms told me I had to dislike them. I know the troops only follow orders as I did, now I have it before me that I have to dislike American troops because NavyArms say it can be no other way.
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Well there is a little truth there.I don't know if its dislike the truth or not...you just don't support them........
 
nort_12345 said:
many soldiers sign up because they want to defend their country no matter what the mission and i salute them for that. but that doesn't mean that they argree w/ the mission. they just want to defend their homeland and the great people of this country.
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That is true and most of them democrat or republican, liberal or conservative do and outstanding job without bitching about it...........There are some exceptions..........Caine comes to mind..........;)
 
Caine said:
Ahem....

Does that change the fact that they President, not the troops, is the one who chooses the mission?
So, therefore, what does that have to do with this debate??????

You make it sound as if, because someone signed up, the agreed that no matter how stupid their mission is, they will agree with why they are doing it.

Sorry, that wasn't the prerequisite. The prerequisite is, no matter how ignorant their mission is, if called upon to fight, they will fight and work diligently to accomplish that mission, and will not quit until it is accomplished (or politicians say they it is accomplished is more like it).

I don't remember anywhere there being a statement that says becomming a soldier made me give up my ability to think for myself, and make my own opinions of what I am being made to do.

An opinion is one thing, an action is something different.

Why is that so hard to understand?

And you are still cutting and running from post 131.
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You were kind of young but did you have a problem when "Slick Willie" chose the missions in Somalia, Bosnia/Kosovo and Haiti....I think I understand...Its Bush hatred and Republicans.......:roll:

You do know the the Congress approved the mission in Iraq don't you.......You do understand the president can't do it by himself? Never mind I think I know the answer........:roll:
 
Navy Pride said:
You were kind of young but did you have a problem when "Slick Willie" chose the missions in Somalia, Bosnia/Kosovo and Haiti....I think I understand...Its Bush hatred and Republicans.......:roll:
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A. Yes, I was what.. 10 when Somalia happened? I had other things to worry about.
B. How does whether or not I agreed with "Slick Willie's" missions have to do with the basic premise of the fact that the soldiers do not choose the mission or war, that it is done by the politicians?

You do know the the Congress approved the mission in Iraq don't you.......You do understand the president can't do it by himself? Never mind I think I know the answer........:roll:
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Yes. But does the soldier choose it?
Why are you getting off topic here? What does this have to do with the fact that a soldier does not choose the mission. He only has to follow orders.

Therefore.... because someone doesn't support the mission, that does not mean that they do not support the troops.

And there isn't a damned way you can convince us with more than a 1/2 brain otherwise.
 
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