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Is It A Lie To Say You Support The Troops But Not Their Mission?

IS IT A LIE TO SAY YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS BUT NOT THEIR MISSION?

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Navy Pride said:
Well there is a little truth there.I don't know if its dislike the truth or not...you just don't support them........
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I sent my grand nephew a note today. I told him if he goes back to Iraq for the 3rd time in the next two months, that I had been given instructions by NavyArms not to support him anymore. If my nephew dies, can I go to his funeral?
Or would that be showing to much support?

Truth is, it easy to show support our troops in the middle east. I respect their effort and willingness to obey orders. America has a well trained bunch of military men who deserve respect.

The bad part is that they are being sacrificed on the altar of George W. They are accomplishing nothing but giving their lives. Support Bush's Mission??? What Mission???

Bush is a F__k--g madman. Can a madman have a mission and an honorable purpose??? Impossible. Bush is fast earning a scaffold next to Sadam.
 
Navy Pride said:
It is impossible to support the troops and not support what they are trying to accomplish..............It makes no sense at all.......

Its like saying I supported "Lurch" Kerry but I voted for Bush........

Only a Liberal or a lefty would say that you can support one but not the other............
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My uncle is a Lieutenant-Colonel in the Airforce, he has already served one tour in Iraq and he will go back in March.

I support him and hope that he comes home safe. However, I do not support the mission that he is on.

Saying it is impossible to support the troops and not the war is like saying it is impossible to love one's child but not support what they are doing with their life.
 
Navy Pride said:
You do know the the Congress approved the mission in Iraq don't you
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did the soldiers approve of the war or the plan going into it? it doessn't matter what they think because they have to fight in it if they like it or not.
 
Mainiack11 said:
My uncle is a Lieutenant-Colonel in the Airforce, he has already served one tour in Iraq and he will go back in March.

I support him and hope that he comes home safe. However, I do not support the mission that he is on.

Saying it is impossible to support the troops and not the war is like saying it is impossible to love one's child but not support what they are doing with their life.
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So do you want him to fail in his mission?
 
nort_12345 said:
did the soldiers approve of the war or the plan going into it? it doessn't matter what they think because they have to fight in it if they like it or not.
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Soldiers don't approve or disapprove the war or the plan......The military is not a democracy........You don't get a vote on who or where to fight..........

It is pretty obvious you know nothing about how the military works......
 
Navy Pride said:
So do you want him to fail in his mission?
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This is where you make your largest error.

You equate not supporting the mission with wanting the soldiers to fail in acting out said mission. The two are not one in the same.
 
Caine said:
This is where you make your largest error.

You equate not supporting the mission with wanting the soldiers to fail in acting out said mission. The two are not one in the same.
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You can't separate them..They are one in the same.........If you don't support the mission the you have to be against it........You can't have it both ways no matter how you try and spin it.......
 
Navy Pride said:
You can't separate them..They are one in the same.........If you don't support the mission the you have to be against it........You can't have it both ways no matter how you try and spin it.......
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There you go again, viewing things in black and white just like with Obama (was muslim therefore = Bin Laden).

I can not agree with the mission, but still hope those who are still working towards the goals are successful in their endeavors.

Its that simple. That is how I am, so how can you sit there and say it is not possible?

I'll give you a hint: You can say its not possible because it fits your argumentative finger pointing agenda.
 
Caine said:
There you go again, viewing things in black and white just like with Obama (was muslim therefore = Bin Laden).

I can not agree with the mission, but still hope those who are still working towards the goals are successful in their endeavors.

Its that simple. That is how I am, so how can you sit there and say it is not possible?

I'll give you a hint: You can say its not possible because it fits your argumentative finger pointing agenda.
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The guys I talk to coming back from Iraq don't agree with you......They don't understand how you can say you support them and not support what they are trying to do and they are right.....
 
Navy Pride said:
The guys I talk to coming back from Iraq don't agree with you.....
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Thats because you have selective hearing. Or presented the question to them in an obviously biased way. (Judging from your polls on this forum this is probably more the case) Moving on...
They don't understand how you can say you support them and not support what they are trying to do and they are right.....
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Because, DUH, this goes back to the earlier topic of following orders.

Lets piece it all together now shall we?

Soldiers do not choose their mission. They have to follow the orders given to them.
There are many of people in the U.S. that support the troops, hope they do well, wish them the best of luck in what they are being ordered to do. But at the same time, do not agree that the politicians who have sent them to the foreign lands on this mission were or are justified in their actions of keeping our soldiers on a mission that they deem unnecessary or completely not beneficial to the principles of freedom for A-M-E-R-I-C-A. (most of us could give a **** less about killing our proud men and women for the gaining of iraqi freedom).

Now..Why is this so hard to understand?
:doh:doh:doh:doh
 
Caine said:
Thats because you have selective hearing. Or presented the question to them in an obviously biased way. (Judging from your polls on this forum this is probably more the case) Moving on...


Because, DUH, this goes back to the earlier topic of following orders.

Lets piece it all together now shall we?

Soldiers do not choose their mission. They have to follow the orders given to them.
There are many of people in the U.S. that support the troops, hope they do well, wish them the best of luck in what they are being ordered to do. But at the same time, do not agree that the politicians who have sent them to the foreign lands on this mission were or are justified in their actions of keeping our soldiers on a mission that they deem unnecessary or completely not beneficial to the principles of freedom for A-M-E-R-I-C-A. (most of us could give a **** less about killing our proud men and women for the gaining of iraqi freedom).

Now..Why is this so hard to understand?
:doh:doh:doh:doh
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Wrong, unlike you if they have hatred for this president they put it aside because they believe in their mission..............
 
Navy Pride said:
Soldiers don't approve or disapprove the war or the plan......The military is not a democracy........You don't get a vote on who or where to fight..........

It is pretty obvious you know nothing about how the military works......
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of course the soldiers approve or disapprove of the war or plan. i didn't say that the soldiers get to vote, but i'm 100% sure that they have an opinion about the plan. but they don't get to pick and chose where and when they get to fight or if they want to fight at all. so how can you not support the troops without supporting the mission?
 
Navy Pride said:
Wrong, unlike you if they have hatred for this president they put it aside because they believe in their mission..............
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Now you are being intentionally dishonest..... *sigh*

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with hatred for the president.

now go re-read the ****ing post and try again....

You are becomming a disappointment to debate with, quit using the "cut and run" tactic.
 
Navy Pride said:
Wrong, unlike you if they have hatred for this president they put it aside because they believe in their mission..............
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Wrong, they should follow orders. Yes I agree.

what has this to with the question of whether I like the mission or not.

Bush is a retarded mentally ill person, and he make dumb decisions which get men killed for no reason, other than the decision.
 
Caine said:
Now you are being intentionally dishonest..... *sigh*

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with hatred for the president.

now go re-read the ****ing post and try again....

You are becomming a disappointment to debate with, quit using the "cut and run" tactic.
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When it comes to the President your hatred permeates right through my computer........
 
dragonslayer said:
Wrong, they should follow orders. Yes I agree.

what has this to with the question of whether I like the mission or not.

Bush is a retarded mentally ill person, and he make dumb decisions which get men killed for no reason, other than the decision.
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But he had a higher GPA coming out of college then your hero "Lurch" Kerry so what does that make him?:rofl
 
Navy Pride said:
But he had a higher GPA coming out of college then your hero "Lurch" Kerry so what does that make him?:rofl
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You know with the right daddy your GPA doesn't have to go bellow 3.9 :)
 
Navy Pride said:
When it comes to the President your hatred permeates right through my computer........
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See, this is why nobody can ever debate with you.

This debate has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with hatred for the President.

This has everything to do with 2 of my friend dying in Iraq for a mission that has absolutely nothing to do with the freedom of Americans, or upholding our constitution.
 
Thats how NP reacts when he's backed into an intellectual corner. "Your hatred of bush is the reason for **** **** **** ... liberal!"

Worst straw man ever.
 
Caine said:
See, this is why nobody can ever debate with you.

This debate has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with hatred for the President.

This has everything to do with 2 of my friend dying in Iraq for a mission that has absolutely nothing to do with the freedom of Americans, or upholding our constitution.
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You can say it all you want but that does not make it so.....Your posts betray you.....
 
Navy Pride said:
You can say it all you want but that does not make it so.....Your posts betray you.....
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Whats wrong Navy Pride?
Have you run out of ways to avoid the topic?

Are you going to "cut and run"?????

Why don't you address the topic instead of accusing me of being a "Bush Hater" and ignoring all my points?
Hm?
Hm?

How many times are you going to "cut and run"?
It would appear that you support cutting and running in Iraq too.
 
Navy Pride said:
So do you want him to fail in his mission?
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No, I don't want him to fail. If he fails personally then his men are as good as dead. I want him and his to come back home alive.

I support my uncle and all the other servicemen over there. I also appreciate that they are doing their best to win even if they do not agree with the reasons why they are over there. I just don't support the reason for us going into Iraq and why we are still letting the Iraqis lean on us so heavily instead of making them stand on their own.
 
Navy Pride said:
It has nothing to do with it...........Its about finishing the job we started in Iraq and not cutting and running when the going gets tough just becaue you hate President Bush........

Thank God you Liberals were not in charge when the Japanese attacked Pearl harbor and things were not going well........You would have probably wanted to cut and run then too.........:roll:
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"Cut & Run" was a derogatory term coined by the Bush admin to give the idea that anything besides 'staying the course' (his way) is unpatriotic, cowardly, and a loss... He sold it, you bought it.

"Cut & Run" is just a term NP, not a strategy...

Peace
 
OK lets put it this way and see what everyone thinks.

When Germany invaded Russia in WW2 Im sure all the people supported the Whermact, probably because they often had relatives in it and it had a certain respect at the time. However, that didnt mean that these supporters of the German troops wanted their Army to be successful in creating living room for the German people. Did that mean they didnt support the troops? Moreover wasnt their moral position entirely correct?

Furthermore, why should someone who believes the actions of their troops to be criminal be required to support that criminal action in order to avoid the tag of being against the well being of those said troops?
 
Pull My Finger said:
"Cut & Run" was a derogatory term coined by the Bush admin to give the idea that anything besides 'staying the course' (his way) is unpatriotic, cowardly, and a loss... He sold it, you bought it.

"Cut & Run" is just a term NP, not a strategy...

Peace
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I guess you have not heard of the new strategy in Iraq now that your left wing friends in the congress are trying to block........:roll:
 
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