I am not a WS but hey your ignorance is blinding you so believe what you want.
Wow. You are brainwashed. Ask some of these other Israel lovers they do destroy homes that is how Rachel Corrie was murdered protecting a family from having their home demolished.Hamas was elected by the people course you probably think that's propaganda as well eh? The palestinians are fighting for their lives and their freedom try going to palestine and looking at how they live..Israel used white phosphorous against civilians I believe it was 2 years ago. It is BANNED by the international comm unity but Israel doesn't care.
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Propaganda videos do not act for an actual argument, they are merely tools to brainwash the masses with lies and hatred. Very unsuccessful too as the only ones they convince are those who are already infected with the hate gene.
Wow. You are brainwashed. Ask some of these other Israel lovers they do destroy homes that is how Rachel Corrie was murdered protecting a family from having their home demolished.Hamas was elected by the people course you probably think that's propaganda as well eh? The palestinians are fighting for their lives and their freedom try going to palestine and looking at how they live..Israel used white phosphorous against civilians I believe it was 2 years ago. It is BANNED by the international comm unity but Israel doesn't care.
Pathetic scum like u need wiped from the earth.
So, you want Israel destroyed and Jews to suffer genocide but, naw, no, you're not anti-Semitic. I don't know what's more annoying, that you're so clueless or that you believe everybody else is.
Hamas hides weapons in Mosques and civilian homes, they use human shields and cause civilian deaths. Israel made phone calls, dropped fliers, and gave ample warnings to civilians before they preformed defensive military strikes. Hamas kills civilians that disagree with them, and if they were elected by a majority then it is truly a sad thing to see so many Gazan's who support terrorism and want to be led by a terrorist group. Sure Israel has made mistakes, but it's ludicrous to say that Israel murders innocent people and that they are some how a terrorist nation that wants to kill Palestinians. Hamas purposefully targets civilians. They fire rockets at homes, schools, and civilian areas. They goal is to kill Israelis, calling them freedom fighters is not accurate. I'm sure the international community doesn't support firing rockets into homes and schools. So Israel=evil terrorist nation and Gaza=freedom loving peaceful nation of oppressed freedom fighters?
No. I actually wanted the person to answer the question. My position on Palestinian and Israeli violence is that they are both irresponsible with their use of force and that when either side blames violence solely on one or the other side, they're not acknowledging the role each has in perpetuating the violence.No, you haven't said that, you've merely suggested it in a way that has left no room for misinterpretation.
"What else can the Palestinians do"? Is that not a rethoric question? If it is, you have my pardon for being misunderstood, although it is very confusing as to why would you be asking a rethorical question in such manner.
Both Israel and Palestine murder innocent civilians. I personally think a lot of the one-sided anger Americans have with Palestinian terrorism comes from their sympathies with Israel. Like I said, both are irresponsible with the use of force and both kill civilians. Palestine may target civilians more, but Israel is overzealous with its use of force and has killed a lot of innocents, including children, as a result.If not, then clearly you are asking it sincerely, you actually do not know or believe the Palestinians to have any other option but to murder innocent Jewish civilians, and thus the interpretation I've made earlier is the only one that can be made. You leave no room for any other interpretations.
Of course numbers are not the end all be all, but I also think your faith in how Israel tries not to target civilians is a bit misguided. I don't think Israel wants to just kill innocent people, but I think they see a strategic value in targeting civilians along with militants. I also think that Israel could decrease civilians' sympathy with terrorist organizations (and in turn, their power) by appearing more serious about coming up with a solution to the current conflict.And here you suggest that numbers are a decisive factor in deciding on intent. No, they are not, there are thousand of other factors to be taken into mind except of numbers. At the end of the day it falls down to the fact that Palestinian terrorists actually target civilians while Israeli forces do not and have no intention to, and indeed, actually try and minimize the casualties amongst civilians.
After all one could just as well say that because there were way less civilian casualties of the war on terrorism on the Western side than there was on the Islamic side it means that the Western forces are the ones to be targeting civilians and not the Islamic terrorist organizations. That as you can see would clearly not be the case, just as the suggestion you're making with those figures is far from being the case concerning Israeli forces' intentions.
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I counted seven wrong statements in that passage, want me to point them out?
Pathetic scum like u need wiped from the earth. Those are actual news reports boy. Not propaganda but of course your hatred for anyone other than jews is quite obvious.
Oh no, that means you can't stay here now. Too bad.
He's not the scum here, GOB. Why'd you say that? Because he's from Israel?
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Won't happen in your pathetic lifetime, so don't hold your breath.I want to see and will see Israel the country wiped off the map. I guess to you its ok for the palestinians to be murdered in a holocaust but when it comes to jews its a world travesty. I could care less what happens once Palestine gets their country back I see it as payback for the Jews holocaust against the palestinians the past 70 years.
Go **** yourself mod. Go ahead ban me from this **** hole I won't be returning I got better forums to be on...to many brainwashed lemmings here no helping them. So **** you. Maybe that will get me banned...
I want to know if DP thinks Israel is a good ally to the United States. These are the conditions for "good":
1. Security - Does our alliance with Israel help or hurt our security? If it does both, does the help outweigh the hurt?
2. Loyalty - Does Israel ever intentionally act against U.S. interests? If so, do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the consequences of those actions?
3. Cost - Do the benefits of our alliance outweigh the costs, financial and political, of this alliance?
Make a case for keeping or ending our alliance with Israel. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle with a lean towards "ending".
No. I actually wanted the person to answer the question. My position on Palestinian and Israeli violence is that they are both irresponsible with their use of force and that when either side blames violence solely on one or the other side, they're not acknowledging the role each has in perpetuating the violence.
Both Israel and Palestine murder innocent civilians. I personally think a lot of the one-sided anger Americans have with Palestinian terrorism comes from their sympathies with Israel. Like I said, both are irresponsible with the use of force and both kill civilians. Palestine may target civilians more, but Israel is overzealous with its use of force and has killed a lot of innocents, including children, as a result.
Of course numbers are not the end all be all, but I also think your faith in how Israel tries not to target civilians is a bit misguided.
I don't think Israel wants to just kill innocent people, but I think they see a strategic value in targeting civilians along with militants. I also think that Israel could decrease civilians' sympathy with terrorist organizations (and in turn, their power) by appearing more serious about coming up with a solution to the current conflict.
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The problem is that your criticism of my question assumes that I endorse the common implication in this thread that all Palestinian violence in about murdering innocent Jewish civilians, which is not. I have a problem with the implication that all Palestinian violence is terrorism when it clearly isn't. So my "what would you have them do?" was a question about why Israel can commit violence and Palestine can't.If you believe the Palestinians to have other options except of murdering innocent Jewish civilians then you would answer your question yourself as it is a rhetorical question. If you do not then you fall under my interpretation.
The idea that the US and Israeli military (or any military for that matter) has not purposely included civilians in their strategic attacks is ridiculous and I'm not going to entertain it. It's not terrorism in the sense that we exclusively attack civilians, but it's ridiculous to believe that civilian deaths are simply "mistakes".There is a strong difference between killing civilians by mistake (something the US army does a lot, a lot more often than the IDF does as you probably know) and actually murdering a person. "Israel" does not murder innocent civilians, as that would require an order from above to the soldiers to shoot and kill people they know are innocents. That's never been the case fortunately and probably never will.
Like I said, the notion that the Israeli military only kills civilians by "mistake" is ludicrous. Attacking civilian targets is a military strategy as it is sometimes believed to weaken the morale of the opposition.That's clearly not a possibility for clear and expected reasons. Usually it is the person who gets to hide the treasure who knows best where the treasure is hidden at.
Right back at you. I think you're denying the fact that attacking civilians is a strategy considered and implemented by even the most humanitarian militaries.I respect your opinion but I honestly think you're wrong.
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