Is Howard Dean the right man to lead the Democratic Party?

[hipsterdufus]

These were examples of liberal media bias perhaps you meant to say you could find some conservative media bias?

No I meant what I said. If I looked, I could find some Liberal Bias, it's just that your examples are CRAP. Why don't you tell me why you picked these particular examples, and why you think they are, in fact, examples worth debating over?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

No I meant what I said. If I looked, I could find some Liberal Bias, it's just that your examples are CRAP. Why don't you tell me why you picked these particular examples, and why you think they are, in fact, examples worth debating over?

Cuz they're the first ones I found and the first link leads to about a thousand other examples and because I said that the media before FOX news was monopolized by the left and he asked me to provide specific examples of liberal slanted media lies, exagerations, and distortions which I did it's not the issues in these examples which are of importance they're are simply circumstantial evidence proving a liberal media bias in most of the major news outlets.

 

[Archon]

Cuz they're the first ones I found and the first link leads to about a thousand other examples and because I said that the media before FOX news was monopolized by the left and he asked me to provide specific examples of liberal slanted media lies, exagerations, and distortions which I did it's not the issues in these examples which are of importance they're are simply circumstantial evidence proving a liberal media bias in most of the major news outlets.

All I can say is that I don't care what party is biased in media or by what perception. I pity anyone who takes journalism and press today at face value. What happened to the good old days before the op-ed avalanche... when the media only presented the facts and allowed the viewer to form their own opinion?

 

[Navy Pride]

All I can say is that I don't care what party is biased in media or by what perception. I pity anyone who takes journalism and press today at face value. What happened to the good old days before the op-ed avalanche... when the media only presented the facts and allowed the viewer to form their own opinion?

Sadly those days are gone forever my friend........

 

[26 X World Champs]

I have said it at the beginning of this thread and I will say it again.........Dean is the best thing that can happen to the Republican Party.........If dems want to win in 2006 and 2008 they need to put a muzzle on this guy.........

You keep writing this untruth and when anyone challenges you to prove that voters are leaving the Democratic party specifically because of Dean you ignore the challenge, every time.

As a matter of fact, anytime someone in this community proves your statements to be falsehoods you ignore the truth and continue to post the same drivel over and over again.

Just yesterday you wrote that you never called President Clinton a RAPIST yet I provided links and your exact quotes:

As for polls they are phoney but thet does not change the fact that a huge majority of the military voted for President Bush in 2000 and 2004 and they love this president unlike that womanizing, draft dodger, pot head Rapist "Slick Willie."

Source: http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpo...&postcount=190
Or this time:

Your boy Slick Willie was a womanizing, draft dodger, rapist, and convicted felon........Other then that he wasn't to bad.

Source: http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpo...&postcount=169

So now you keep posting that Howard Dean is a liability to Democratic party over and over again, yet you never provide one iota of evidence, nothing, zilch, zero.

I say that virtually no one will walk into a voting booth and not vote for a Democratic candidate because Dean is the party Chairman. PROVE ME WRONG MR. Pride!

 

[hipsterdufus]

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[Archon]

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Jimmy Dean? He provides us with fantastic meat products! Do I get any free samples if I call?

 

[hipsterdufus]

All I can say is that I don't care what party is biased in media or by what perception. I pity anyone who takes journalism and press today at face value. What happened to the good old days before the op-ed avalanche... when the media only presented the facts and allowed the viewer to form their own opinion?

Good point Archon.

So often the media reports innuendo and rumours without checking sources. Some good examples are Judy Miller at the New York Times acting as a stenographer for the Whitehouse claims of WMD. My favorite is the whole Swift Boat Veterans fallacy. Eventually the Swifties claims were proved false, but the damage was already done. Anyone can make baseless false claims, but the media should thoroughly investigate the charges before broadcasting them.

So many reporters just seem lazy. It's easier to quote yesterday's story about the story, rather than get to the source. The good "muckrakers" are pretty much gone.

I have the highest respect for the principals of journalism, but unfortunately, media consolidation, the weakening of the FCC and the rise of infotainment have made so many qualified journalists into reporters on the latest missing white girl and other trivialities.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Jimmy Dean? He provides us with fantastic meat products! Do I get any free samples if I call?

He's trying to get rid of the "pork" these days.

Republicans in Congress say they are serious about cutting spending, but they learned yesterday to keep their hands off the "Bridge to Nowhere."

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), a staunch opponent of pork barrel spending, tried to block $453 million for two Alaska bridges that had been tucked into the recent highway bill. Coburn wanted to redirect the money to the Interstate 10 bridge across Lake Pontchartrain, a major thoroughfare that was severely damaged during Hurricane Katrina.

Sen. Ted Stevens, the veteran Alaska Republican, was dramatic in his response. "I don't kid people," Stevens roared. "If the Senate decides to discriminate against our state . . . I will resign from this body."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5/10/20/AR2005102001931.html?nav=rss_politics

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

All I can say is that I don't care what party is biased in media or by what perception. I pity anyone who takes journalism and press today at face value. What happened to the good old days before the op-ed avalanche... when the media only presented the facts and allowed the viewer to form their own opinion?

No **** you don't care because it's your side that gets their message out (ya I saw your little rambling b.s. in the other thread), I hear these people say that Fox news is propoganda and then turn around and quote the New York Times like it's gospel. But it's only propoganda if it's not from talking points from the Democrats right? Ha!

 

[Lucidthots]

Howard Dean would be okay with me if did not bash white people for political gain.

For this reason alone I will never support him, no matter whatever else he does.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Howard Dean would be okay with me if did not bash white people for political gain.

For this reason alone I will never support him, no matter whatever else he does.

Holy **** is there anything that you won't turn into an argument about race seriously wtf you make me look like a freaking moderate, there is only one race the human race get over yourself you freaking nazi.

-RIP Rosa Parks

-Powell, Lieberman 08

how do you like me now?

 

[Donkey1499]

I'm actually having dinner with the good Doctor tomorrow in Pittsburgh. IMHO he has the vision to lead the dems back form being purely an opposition party. If you look at where America stands - most people agree with him now, unfortunately he was too far ahead of his time.

Most Americans are against the war - as was Dean.
Most Americans are for universal health care - so is Dean
Most Americans thnk that governemt spending is out of hand - so does Dean.
Most Americans support a woman's right to choose - so does Dean.

As governer - Dean balanced the budget and was supported by the NRA.
He supported gay rights and civil rights for his state.
He ran a campaign that invigorated the Dems again. The amount of volunteers and small donors that he received was unparrelled in American politics.

By the time of the Dean Scream - he was already done.

Howard recognises that the Dems MUST compete in all 50 states and is preparing to unleash a new bold platform for the 2006 elections.

Dean is not afraid to call a spade a spade and tell it like it is - a quality that is severely lacking in politics today.

As a bonus - he'll NEVER go on Bill O'Leilly's show.

I scream - you scream - we all scream for Howard Dean!

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Dean won't go on the Factor cuz he's afraid of Bill. Pure and simple. Most liberals and right wingers are anyway. O'Reilly makes his show so that no one can 'spin' their way out of an argument. They have to give a 'real' answer, or else they look rediculous. Bill's show is fair and balanced, unlike some other shows I've seen.

Oh, and can you prove that MOST Americans are against the war? Last time I checked, everyone, even the senate, was all gungho about taking down Hussein. It's just that things are a little tuff right now, so as usual, the libs are running away.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Dean won't go on the Factor cuz he's afraid of Bill. Pure and simple. Most liberals and right wingers are anyway. O'Reilly makes his show so that no one can 'spin' their way out of an argument. They have to give a 'real' answer, or else they look rediculous. Bill's show is fair and balanced, unlike some other shows I've seen.

Oh, and can you prove that MOST Americans are against the war? Last time I checked, everyone, even the senate, was all gungho about taking down Hussein. It's just that things are a little tuff right now, so as usual, the libs are running away.

Right...:roll: Then why won't O'Really have Donahue back on after Phil kicked his a** on a recent show?
Mr. Falafel is at his best when he's bloviating, just like Rush. Neither of them can debate, they can only bully.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Oh, and can you prove that MOST Americans are against the war? Last time I checked, everyone, even the senate, was all gungho about taking down Hussein. It's just that things are a little tuff right now, so as usual, the libs are running away.

This from a November 1 poll:
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation with Iraq?"

Approve 32 %
Disapprove 62 %
Unsure 6 %

"Do you think the result of the war with Iraq was worth the loss of American life and other costs of attacking Iraq, or not?"

Worth It 31%
Not Worth It 64%
Unsure 5%

"Looking back, do you think the United States did the right thing in taking military action against Iraq, or should the U.S. have stayed out?"


Did Right Thing 42%
Should Have Stayed Out 50%
Unsure 8%

 

[hipsterdufus]

New York Times like it's gospel. But it's only propoganda if it's not from talking points from the Democrats right? Ha!

Judy Miller can rot in hell for the work she did at the NYT.

BTW, have you ever seen there list of columnists? It's pretty balanced.
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/opinion/index.html

David Brooks
Schedule: Thursday, Sunday
Columns
Nicholas D. Kristof
Schedule: Tuesday, Sunday
Columns

Maureen Dowd
Schedule: Wednesday, Saturday
Columns
Paul Krugman
Schedule: Monday, Friday
Columns

Thomas L. Friedman
Schedule: Wednesday, Friday
Columns
Frank Rich
Schedule: Sunday
Columns

Bob Herbert
Schedule: Monday, Thursday
Columns
John Tierney
Schedule: Tuesday, Saturday
Columns

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

This from a November 1 poll:
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

I hate these types of polls if you've ever taken an empirical political analysis course then you would know that the yes no answers leave no room for a middle ground for ex:

Are you against abortion yes or no?

answer no

answer yes

but the true answer would be more along these lines:

yes I am against abortion, however, if the mothers life is in danger from giving birth I would support her right to save her own life by aborting the child.

Question do you support how Bush has conducted the war in Iraq YES OR NO?

no, I don't support the way Bush has handled the war planning, however, I feel that regardless of that the ousting of Saddam was a necessity and we have to make sure we give the Iraqis the best chance as possible for sustaining a Democratic form of government of, by, and for the people of Iraq.

or it can be a two tiered question like this: do you support the right to bear arms and the end to gun control laws yes or no?

but it only leaves room for one answer when at the same time you can be both for the right to bear arms and pro gun control laws.

See how the yes no in the poll is in itself inherently flawed?

 

[Deegan]

Right...:roll: Then why won't O'Really have Donahue back on after Phil kicked his a** on a recent show?
Mr. Falafel is at his best when he's bloviating, just like Rush. Neither of them can debate, they can only bully.

Obsess much dude, lol, O'Reilly owns your world, it would appear.:rofl

 

[Donkey1499]

Right...:roll: Then why won't O'Really have Donahue back on after Phil kicked his a** on a recent show?
Mr. Falafel is at his best when he's bloviating, just like Rush. Neither of them can debate, they can only bully.

Cuz all Donahue will do is Spin his way around everything. You seriously need to watch the Factor and stop believeing what the left tells you about him. But with your kool-aid soaked brain pandering to the left, I can see why you wouldn't want to. O'Reilly is a fair guy. He doesn't bully anyone, unless they deserve it (like the St.Pete Times).

 

[Donkey1499]

This from a November 1 poll:
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

You actually trust polls? Damn, you're more of a fool than I had first thought. Polls aren't credible because not every American votes on them; so it's not "most Americans". You also have people that vote more than once. I don't trust polls, nor should anyone else. But, if you want to belive in false information, go ahead. Live in a dream world.

 

[BWG]

I hate these types of polls if you've ever taken an empirical political analysis course then you would know that the yes no answers leave no room for a middle ground for ex:

Are you against abortion yes or no?

answer no

answer yes

but the true answer would be more along these lines:

yes I am against abortion, however, if the mothers life is in danger from giving birth I would support her right to save her own life by aborting the child.

Question do you support how Bush has conducted the war in Iraq YES OR NO?

no, I don't support the way Bush has handled the war planning, however, I feel that regardless of that the ousting of Saddam was a necessity and we have to make sure we give the Iraqis the best chance as possible for sustaining a Democratic form of government of, by, and for the people of Iraq.

or it can be a two tiered question like this: do you support the right to bear arms and the end to gun control laws yes or no?

but it only leaves room for one answer when at the same time you can be both for the right to bear arms and pro gun control laws.

See how the yes no in the poll is in itself inherently flawed?

Ahhh, sounds like a liberal thought, but that's NOT how the conservatives frame it, is it? :lol:

Polls aren't credible because not every American votes on them;

Not every American votes on election day either, but you accept them as credible, right?

You also have people that vote more than once

It's not a call in show. They call you.

 

[Navy Pride]

You actually trust polls? Damn, you're more of a fool than I had first thought. Polls aren't credible because not every American votes on them; so it's not "most Americans". You also have people that vote more than once. I don't trust polls, nor should anyone else. But, if you want to belive in false information, go ahead. Live in a dream world.

Exactly, you have 300,000,000 million people in this country.....You poll 100 at the DNC and the presz only has a 35% approval rating so that means the whole country is against him...............

I have said it many times and I will say it again....Last year prior to the 2004 election the president's approval rating was in the mid forties and the left was all full of glee because no president had ever been reelected with an approval rating of below 50%.............

So much for the polls..........:roll:

 

[Deegan]

I have a question, name the last five DNC chairman? LOL, this guy is irrelevant, and does nothing but excite the media, waiting, with baited breath, for the next foot in mouth reply, Dean, your through, go back to whiteyville, no one here cares!:rofl

 

[Navy Pride]

I have a question, name the last five DNC chairman? LOL, this guy is irrelevant, and does nothing but excite the media, waiting, with baited breath, for the next foot in mouth reply, Dean, your through, go back to whiteyville, no one here cares!:rofl

I don't disagree with you very often but we part company on this one.........Dean does make a difference..He is a loose cannon, a very hateful and angry man who hurts his party every time he opens his mouth............He is the best thing to happen to the Republican Party in a long time........

 

[hipsterdufus]

I have a question, name the last five DNC chairman? LOL, this guy is irrelevant, and does nothing but excite the media, waiting, with baited breath, for the next foot in mouth reply, Dean, your through, go back to whiteyville, no one here cares!:rofl

FYI:

DNC Chairpersons1. Benjamin F. Hallett (1848-1852)
2. Robert M. McLane (1852-1856)
3. David A. Smalley (1856-1860)
4. August Belmont (1860-1872)
5. Augustus Schell (1872-1876)
6. (Click link for more info and facts about Abram Stevens Hewitt) Abram Stevens Hewitt (1876-1877)
7. William H. Barnum (1877-1889)
8. Calvin Steward Brice (1889-1892)
9. William F. Harrity (1892-1896)
10. (Click link for more info and facts about James K. Jones) James K. Jones (1896-1904)
11. (Click link for more info and facts about Thomas Taggart) Thomas Taggart (1904-1908)
12. Norman E. Mack (1908-1912)
13. William F. McCombs (1912-1914)
14. (Click link for more info and facts about Homer S. Cummings) Homer S. Cummings (1914-1916)
15. Vance C. McCormick (1916-1919)
16. (Click link for more info and facts about George White) George White (1920-1921)
17. (United States diplomat who did the groundwork for creating the United Nations (1871-1955)) Cordell Hull (1921-1924)
18. Clem L. Shaver (1924-1928)
19. (Click link for more info and facts about John J. Raskob) John J. Raskob (1928-1932)
20. (Click link for more info and facts about James A. Farley) James A. Farley (1932-1940)
21. Edward J. Flynn (1940-1943)
22. (Click link for more info and facts about Frank C. Walker) Frank C. Walker (1943-1944)
23. Robert E. Hannegan (1944-1947)
24. (Click link for more info and facts about J. Howard McGrath) J. Howard McGrath (1947-1949)
25. William H. Boyle, Jr. (1949-1951)
26. Frank E. McKinney (1951-1952)
27. Stephen A. Mitchell (1952-1955)
28. Paul M. Butler (1955-1960)
29. (Click link for more info and facts about Henry M. Jackson) Henry M. Jackson (1960-1961)
30. (Click link for more info and facts about John M. Bailey) John M. Bailey (1961-1968)
31. (Click link for more info and facts about Lawrence F. O'Brien) Lawrence F. O'Brien (1968-1969)
32. (Click link for more info and facts about Fred R. Harris) Fred R. Harris (1969-1970)
33. (Click link for more info and facts about Lawrence F. O'Brien) Lawrence F. O'Brien (1970-1972)
34. Jean M. Westwood (1972)
35. (Click link for more info and facts about Robert S. Strauss) Robert S. Strauss (1972-1977)
36. Kenneth M. Curtis (1977-1978)
37. John C. White (1978-1981)
38. Charles T. Manatt (1981-1985)
39. Paul G. Kirk, Jr. (1985-1989)
40. (Click link for more info and facts about Ron Brown) Ron Brown (1989-1993)
41. David Wilhelm (1993-1994)
42. Debra DeLee (1994-1995)
43. (Click link for more info and facts about Donald Fowler) Donald Fowler (1995-1997)
with General Chairman (Click link for more info and facts about Christopher J. Dodd) Christopher J. Dodd
44. Steven Grossman (1997-1999)
with General Chairman (Click link for more info and facts about Roy Romer) Roy Romer
45. Joseph Andrew (1999-2001)
with General Chairman Roy Romer (1999)
with General Chairman (Click link for more info and facts about Edward G. Rendell) Edward G. Rendell (1999-2001)
46. (Click link for more info and facts about Terrence R. McAuliffe) Terrence R. McAuliffe (2001-2005)
47.Howard Dean

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