I think that is a key difference many libertarians have with most of society. Libertarians tend to see emergent social behaviors as a dependable social factor. At least, this seems to be one of the unspoken assumptions I tend to come across in their arguments.I just saw a TV commercial with Mike Huckabee (a former POTUS candidate) for a book or something about fighting socialism for kids. One of the examples it had was defunding the police & this strikes me as odd, because I consider police to be a form of socialism.
The reason I consider police to be a form of socialism is because it takes law enforcement away from WE THE PEOPLE - a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and creates a monopoly out of it consisting of un-elected career professionals; it turns society into a prison, where police are the prison guards.
We didn't have police when US was founded, and we had law enforcement and courts, so I'm not interested in any nonsense claims that without police society would crumble. The way I see things happening, society is crumbing with and probably because of police.
The reason I consider police to be a form of socialism is because it takes law enforcement away from WE THE PEOPLE - a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and creates a monopoly out of it consisting of un-elected career professionals; it turns society into a prison, where police are the prison guards.
We didn't have police when US was founded, and we had law enforcement and courts, so I'm not interested in any nonsense claims that without police society would crumble. The way I see things happening, society is crumbing with and probably because of police.
We didn't have police when US was founded, and we had law enforcement and courts
That really begs the question of what you consider to be socialism. Reading this sentence was physically painful for me. I beg you to cite a socialist magazine or prominent socialist political figure promote the police.I consider police to be a form of socialism
Takes law enforcement away from we the people? So....mob justice?The reason I consider police to be a form of socialism is because it takes law enforcement away from WE THE PEOPLE - a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and creates a monopoly out of it consisting of un-elected career professionals; it turns society into a prison, where police are the prison guards.
Yeah...and it wasn't exactly...uhh...the best system. Witch hunts, hangings, extrajudicial judgements without a hearing, no right to a lawyer, mob justice...We didn't have police when US was founded, and we had law enforcement and courts
I just saw a TV commercial with Mike Huckabee (a former POTUS candidate) for a book or something about fighting socialism for kids. One of the examples it had was defunding the police & this strikes me as odd, because I consider police to be a form of socialism.
The reason I consider police to be a form of socialism is because it takes law enforcement away from WE THE PEOPLE - a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and creates a monopoly out of it consisting of un-elected career professionals; it turns society into a prison, where police are the prison guards.
We didn't have police when US was founded, and we had law enforcement and courts, so I'm not interested in any nonsense claims that without police society would crumble. The way I see things happening, society is crumbing with and probably because of police.
I just saw a TV commercial with Mike Huckabee (a former POTUS candidate) for a book or something about fighting socialism for kids. One of the examples it had was defunding the police & this strikes me as odd, because I consider police to be a form of socialism.
The reason I consider police to be a form of socialism is because it takes law enforcement away from WE THE PEOPLE - a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and creates a monopoly out of it consisting of un-elected career professionals; it turns society into a prison, where police are the prison guards.
We didn't have police when US was founded, and we had law enforcement and courts, so I'm not interested in any nonsense claims that without police society would crumble. The way I see things happening, society is crumbing with and probably because of police.
Police, as you reference police here, are entities of State and Local Governments.
The US constitution leaves this and many other functions of government to the various states and to the People.
People throughout history have determined that laws without enforcement are only words. Democrats seem incapable of understanding that which history teaches and promote the idea that not enforcing laws is a good thing.
Oddly delusional.
I think you might be able to make a strong case for not maintaining a police enforcement agency at the Federal Level.
Here's the real catch: Without government there wouldn't be a society to crumble.
That really begs the question of what you consider to be socialism. Reading this sentence was physically painful for me. I beg you to cite a socialist magazine or prominent socialist political figure promote the police.
Ok. That's a socialist article against police. I was asking for an example of a socialist supporting policing.The Socialist Case Against the Police - Rampant Magazine
This article addresses these questions by arguing that socialists must reject the institution of policing, root and branch. Socialists must seek to abolish policing as an institution in the long run.rampantmag.com
Ok. That's a socialist article against police. I was asking for an example of a socialist supporting policing.
I beg you to cite a socialist magazine
I just saw a TV commercial with Mike Huckabee (a former POTUS candidate) for a book or something about fighting socialism for kids. One of the examples it had was defunding the police & this strikes me as odd, because I consider police to be a form of socialism.
The reason I consider police to be a form of socialism is because it takes law enforcement away from WE THE PEOPLE - a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and creates a monopoly out of it consisting of un-elected career professionals; it turns society into a prison, where police are the prison guards.
We didn't have police when US was founded, and we had law enforcement and courts, so I'm not interested in any nonsense claims that without police society would crumble. The way I see things happening, society is crumbing with and probably because of police.
Honestly I'm still reeling from this post. How does one become so deluded about socialism that they have a more extreme anti-police position than most people on the left do.
True.. . . . We didn't have police when US was founded, and we had law enforcement and courts, . . .
Or any substantive 'freedom', either!
I can't believe it. Did you just out of context clip me on a forum? You literally just cut out the last 2/3rds of my sentence. Look.Actually you didn't.
and then the rest of it...I beg you to cite a socialist magazine...
or prominent socialist political figure promote the police.
Or any substantive 'freedom', either!
Of course, having a government does not mean that it will not abuse its power to seriously limit freedom. Civil asset forfeiture and creating (selectively enforced) contraband lists are prime examples. Once upon a time, personal property could only be taken by the state (without compensation) after due process of law resulted in criminal conviction. Once upon a time, it took constitutional amendment to federally ban (the recreational drug) alcohol nationwide, later it took only adding items to a controlled and dangerous substances list.
I think it’s important to define terms. The govt/people owning the means of production is one definition that brings Marx to mind, calling the police, fire dept, FEMA, FDA, Post Office socialist is another, comparing the US relative emphasis on the free market compared to Europe is another, and Republicans use of “socialist!” as an epithet still one more.No. Socialism is government ownership or control of the means of production. Laws would be useless without an enforcement mechanism - resulting in mob rule or total anarchy.
BTW, you are wrong about not having police (law enforcement personnel) when the US was founded.
It's more than that, it's a treaty agreed on by congress within their power granted by the constitution
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