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Is Fascism Right Wing?

Is fascism left or right wing?

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Public financing of elections.

Make political ad time a condition of fcc liscensing under existing PSA structure. Include the top three parties, distribute time by lottery.

Nice, so only the "top 3 parties" are allowed to have a voice. This is your solution to people picking our candidates for us? Having....people pick our candidates for us? Try again.

Overhaul the mechanics of the lobbying process to better address the "redress of grievances" without biasing towards money.

Look at the structural issues at the heart of OUR COUNTRY'S problems and address them.

And your list of people I didn't vot for is inaccurate. I DID vote for nader once and would vote for kucinich if he ran where I live. I distrust the market fundamentalism of libertarianism, BECAUSE it fosters corruption of government.

That's false by definition because under a libertarian system the government wouldn't have favors to sell in the first place. It's your system, statism, that is to blame for the current corporate state.
 

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In socialism the government owns all the business and makes sure that everyone is paid equally, and in communism the gov't owns everything and makes sure that everyone has everything they need.




"Communism means, 'Everyone wearing glasses gets their heads staved in with rifle butts,' while Socialism means, 'Drinks and smokes on the middle class'!" ~ Steve Mayer
 

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In other areas of the world, Fascism was a part of the right-wing. The United States has never known Fascism. The right-wing of our political arena is a proponent of small government. The left wing, however, is a proponent for big government. Fascism is massive government, therefore, Fascism in the US would be a left-wing idea.

It's traditionally considered right-wing by historians and political scientists due to its nationalistic and militaristic nature.

Note that throughout recent political history the definition of "right-wing" has not been "less government." And the definition of left-wing is not necessarily "more government." That is a false dichotomy that many libertarians have manufactured in order to obscure debate.

Damn Stillballin, you were right on the mark.
 

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Everything you just mentioned are perfect reasons why we need to reduce the government's power.

How do you get that out of what he said? He said corporations are running the Govt. and your answer it to weaken the govt. further so Corporations can take even more control?
The Govt. needs to protect us from Corporate greed so all of us can benefit from prosperity. That requires a STRONGER Govt.
 

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Fascism is historically much closer to plutocracy ( corporatism ) than it is to democracy, making it much more akin to modern republicanism.

fascism [ˈfæʃɪzəm]
n (sometimes capital)
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc., that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc.
3. prejudice in relation to the subject specified body fascism
[from Italian fascismo, from fascio political group, from Latin fascis bundle; see fasces]

Interesting that the OP made it sound like Fascism was a German invention... That is wrong. It is Italian in origin.
 

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How do you get that out of what he said? He said corporations are running the Govt. and your answer it to weaken the govt. further so Corporations can take even more control?
The Govt. needs to protect us from Corporate greed so all of us can benefit from prosperity. That requires a STRONGER Govt.

No, if corporations are getting their power from government, then the obvious solution is to reduce the power of government. A stronger government just means more opportunity for lobbying the government.
 

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No, if corporations are getting their power from government, then the obvious solution is to reduce the power of government. A stronger government just means more opportunity for lobbying the government.

The weaker our Govt. gets the more influence that corporations will have over it. Corporations are now "people" for God's sake. How can the Govt. let that happen?
 

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The weaker our Govt. gets the more influence that corporations will have over it. Corporations are now "people" for God's sake. How can the Govt. let that happen?

That's what happens when you let an appointed panel of nine judges change what the laws mean.
 

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The weaker our Govt. gets the more influence that corporations will have over it. Corporations are now "people" for God's sake. How can the Govt. let that happen?

Not true. The more our government spends and taxes, the more corporations have the incentive corporations have to lobby it.
 

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Obama's ACA legislations shows us that it is left wing, forced commerce by a government, sound familiar?
 

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It sounds like an insane interpretation of a government action.
 

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In school, I was taught that fascism was not in fact right wing, but compared to American Government, it was very much left wing. Our history class taught that the Nazi party of Germany had a meeting with the Communist Party of Germany to discuss a number of things starting on what slogans would be and what category they would say they were. Fascists were very much left wing, but they looked like right wing extremists compared to the communists, so they decided to call the communists left wing and call the fascists right wing to avoid confusion.
Fascism is left wing because you cannot own a business or large home if you don't toe the line that the ruling party draws.. If you don't toe the line, they take your business and give it to someone who will. It is far right of either communism or socialism in that it allows private property at all. In socialism the government owns all the business and makes sure that everyone is paid equally, and in communism the gov't owns everything and makes sure that everyone has everything they need.
So fascism is far right of communism but still pretty far left of American conservatism. It's somewhere in the middle.

Just because it's right-wing doesn't mean it's comparable to the United States. Fascism is second only to communism when it comes to sociopolitical policies that Americans don't understand at all, but hate it anyway.
 

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Not exactly. It could more accurately be described as being the other way around. Rather than destroying the upper classes and seizing their wealth, as Communism does, Fascism instead co-opts big business into the machinery of the state through the influence of the ruling party.

A contemporary example of this phenomena is the, "Communist in name only," government of modern China. Private property and entrepenuership are technically allowed, but they are all subject to strict government oversight, and membership in the ruling party is basically required to have any chance of breaking into the market whatsoever.


Not exactly. It is the upper class wealth seizing the gov't with bribes, collusion, mutual benefits and I identified those beneficiaries. It's the Republican wet dream.
 

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Nice, so only the "top 3 parties" are allowed to have a voice. This is your solution to people picking our candidates for us? Having....people pick our candidates for us? Try again.



That's false by definition because under a libertarian system the government wouldn't have favors to sell in the first place. It's your system, statism, that is to blame for the current corporate state.

Make it 4 or 5, whatever.

But the govts current owners will never allow the libertarian govt they have convinced you is ideal.
 

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Not exactly. It is the upper class wealth seizing the gov't with bribes, collusion, mutual benefits and I identified those beneficiaries. It's the Republican wet dream.

No, it's really not. Nazism and Italian Fascism were never movements driven by the "upperclass." To the contrary, they were both highly populist in nature, and actually made use of a great deal of the same "social justice" and "class warfare" rhetoric endemic to Communist movements and the modern political Left.

More traditional elites usually tended to despise both groups as they posed a threat to the existing status quo.

Rather than entice collusion, Fascists generally use the power of state bureaucracy to conquer the private sector and force it to do their bidding. If their approach to economic policy can be seen as being similar to any American political party, it would frankly be the DNC.

As a matter of fact, in historical reality, FDR's economic and social directives were dangerously similar to European-style fascism. Many of the Roosevelt Administration's policies, like the New Deal, massive Keynesian spending, and the authoritarian tarifs, regulations, and state directives laid upon the private sector during WW2, would've been right at home in either Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy. The FBI under Hoover was also about half a step away from being a full-on Gestapo style secret police force.

This honestly shouldn't be surprising, considering that FDR was a close personal friend of Mussolini, and often expressed great respect for his ideas and government before the war.
 
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Make it 4 or 5, whatever.

But the govts current owners will never allow the libertarian govt they have convinced you is ideal.

That's ironic. If we had a libertarian "government" then there wouldn't be one to own, much less buy and sell.
 

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Coke vs Pepsi. Both soda, and neither are anywhere near as good for you as natural orange juice. And that's the scam, as long as you think the whole world is Pepsi vs Coke, they don't care, as long as you don't seriously consider any alternatives.

Left and right both seek to control the people with their own ideas and claim jurisdiction over people who don't vote for them. Fascism at its finest.
 

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Really depends on the fascist. Like, the Nazi's would be considered centrists by American standards, but they were right wing by German Standards. Fascism can be either right wing or left. Authoritarian all the way, however.

I think that is key, authoritarianism. Do the oppressed who have their rights stripped and subjected to the whims of Jose in charge care whether they're being oppressed for party or profits? I don't think so.

Authoritarians, whether leaders or followers, value order, obedience, and conformity over liberty or individual rights and people can, and do, vote to have societies of this nature. Communism is the authoritarian left and fascism is the authoritarian right. On the bottom of the spectrum are libertarian extremes such as anarchy on the left and anarcho-capitalism on the right. In these, the government doesn't oppress, but there is no government to prevent oppression, so basically oppression is just privatized.

Somewhere in the middle is us, swinging left and right and more and less authoritarian, depending on the mood of the country and the effectiveness of various messengers. These days we fall in the center of the upper right quadrant, well to the right of the industrialized world and significantly more authoritarian as well.

It's ironic that some call Obama a socialist or communist, considering he would likely be the far right candidate in most of the world and differs from his opposition here only marginally (but folks sure make a big deal of those small differences)
 

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That's ironic. If we had a libertarian "government" then there wouldn't be one to own, much less buy and sell.

And how do you propose to get there from here?

What path do you suggest?
 

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To my mind Far Right economics indicates Neo-Liberalist economics. I'd Call Facist economics in the form of Nazism and Mussolini Corporatism as the government allowed their exsistance however interfered in their affairs, setting wages and dictating what actions were neccesary for a stronger state, Ever wonder why its National Socialism. Pinochet is the odd one out, combining big government with Neoliberalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics#Economics
Otherwise I agree. :)

I would argue that "corporatism" is simply an output of far right economics. The accumulation of wealth and power into the hand of a minority is the logical outcome of Capitalism. It hasn't been messed around with all that much, the tenants are still the same: Profits, Markets, Private Ownership. I would argue that the corporatism is simply an output of this system that leads to this system.
 
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