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Every other country in the world acknowledged that the coronavirus was deadly and highly transmissible. Shouldn't we all be asking ourselves why it is that only our country is still divided, after 200k of our own people are dead? Let's get real here. The only reason we're divided over the seriousness of Covid-19 is because we are being led by a president that is telling us 'it's a hoax' and 'it will all suddenly just go away'. Those are lies. If we could have put forth a unified effort to mitigate the infection rates and deaths six months ago, there still would have been many people that died unfortunately back in March and April, but we could have aborted the raging spread of this virus by all doing a concerted effort together to stop the spread and many deaths.
I'll believe you when you do as I did and post the test results.
And if you did survive it with no long term effects, count yourself lucky but I suspect with your mindset it won't be until you wind up burying someone you knew who died from it that you will take it seriously.
That is why we have emergency public health directives, because we cannot afford to wait while incorrigibles "make up their minds" that a pandemic is dangerous.
But if you're going to post thread after thread questioning it, you should have the corresponding balls to back up your claims.
Otherwise, you're just another Typhoid Mary.
It's just the old ones, they seem to be fine with that.
I feel like I just got the big 'screw you!'
Your awful attempt at intelligent dialogue is just awful.
The only reason people aren't 'dropping like flies' is because smart people are taking precautions. More people are wearing masks and social distancing than people that aren't. This is exactly why the spread has slowed, it's not because 'it's not so bad' or 'it's disappearing already'. The numbers are down because of the caution and diligence of the majority of wise people in this country. Memories are short and if you recall back in March and April, people were dropping like flies, the body count from covid-19 was vastly under-counted since many died in their homes and many died in nursing homes. There were no tests to be had, none. No masks to be found anywhere. No hand sanitizer. That's why refrigerated tractor trailer trucks had to be brought in to store bodies -- hundreds of them. That's why people had no funerals and were buried in mass graves.The reason we're divided isn't all political. Many (>45 yrs) do not believe it's that serious. The Spanish Flu killed all ages, back when the population wasn't near as numerous and caused an estimated 50 million deaths. If people were dropping like flies and overwhelming the medical system, then you'd have a bigger reaction.
Good Christiansevery time posters here throw out %s of who is dying (like it's some kind of victory) i have to shake my head. no way these people ever went to Sunday School.
Perhaps they look at the numbers (last I checked it was about 1.2% of the US population have gotten the virus) and think their odds are pretty good that they wonβt get it. And if they do the odds of them dying from it are lower. Yes itβs unfortunate that anyone dies from it but the same is true of the flu. (Btw I got my first flu shot ever today. I hope it doesnβt kill me.What difference does it make if their actions and outcome are the same?
The only reason people aren't 'dropping like flies' is because smart people are taking precautions. More people are wearing masks and social distancing than people that aren't. This is exactly why the spread has slowed, it's not because 'it's not so bad' or 'it's disappearing already'. The numbers are down because of the caution and diligence of the majority of wise people in this country. Memories are short and if you recall back in March and April, people were dropping like flies, the body count from covid-19 was vastly under-counted since many died in their homes and many died in nursing homes. There were no tests to be had, none. No masks to be found anywhere. No hand sanitizer. That's why refrigerated tractor trailer trucks had to be brought in to store bodies -- hundreds of them. That's why people had no funerals and were buried in mass graves.
WE know how it was. WE know the toll it can take. All we ask is for YOU to grasp the seriousness of it.
The reason we're divided isn't all political. Many (>45 yrs) do not believe it's that serious. The Spanish Flu killed all ages, back when the population wasn't near as numerous and caused an estimated 50 million deaths. If people were dropping like flies and overwhelming the medical system, then you'd have a bigger reaction.
The Spanish flu killed 650,000 Americans over a two year period. So far, this has killed just over 200,000 in a 7 month period, so it is actually killing Americans slightly faster than the Spanish flu did.
How bad it would have been - if we had simply ignored - it beggars the imagination.
It is not so much that the virus is deadly, it targets certain groups in the population and has between a 2 - 15% death rate, it is the speed that it spreads that has been the cause for concern. Now doctors are finding out that the long term effects that people who have had the virus and survived it are starting to actually kill people. I live in the NY area and was in my car, had the radio on. They were talking to families of people that passed away from Covid. One woman was the wife of a 53 year old man who got infected in March and spent 2 months in a NY hospital in a coma on a ventilator. He recovered and went home. However, the virus left his body with many blood clots hiding inside his lungs and he had a stroke and died. Another girl speaking on the radio about her parents. This teenager is without both parents today because of Covid-19. Her parents were one month from their anniversary when the wife developed symptoms, had to be hospitalized. Two days later, the husband came down with severe respiratory symptoms and had to be hospitalized also. They were on the same floor in the hospital just two rooms apart, they both died within days of each other.infection fatality rate of 0.63%
People aren't dropping like flies because the disease just isn't that deadly with an infection fatality rate of 0.65%. You can't make something more serious than it actually is unless you hype it continuously.
I'm afraid, Benjamin Franklin's often overused quote may be meaningful in this case: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
I feel the country should've practiced "some" protective measures against spreading this disease, not this hodge-podge mess. But have we really purchased a significant amount of security to offset the misery and cost of the long term damage done by the shutdown, social distancing, and other measures?
"You know, putting a national lockdown, stay at home orders, is like house arrest. Other than slavery, which was a different kind of restraint, this is the greatest intrusion on civil liberties in American history," Bill Barr said.
Though this is uncomparable to slavery, in any fashion, it is becoming an incredible intrusion on our liberties. The big question is, was this disease deadly enough to warrant the reactions? Many think not and many do.
Yes.I feel the country should've practiced "some" protective measures against spreading this disease, not this hodge-podge mess. But have we really purchased a significant amount of security to offset the misery and cost of the long term damage done by the shutdown, social distancing, and other measures?
Barr is completely, utterly and irrevocably full of shit. Limiting restaurants to delivery and outdoor dining is worse than Jim Crow laws, lynchings, Japanese internment camps during WWII, McCarthyism? Shut the front door. He is an embarrassment to the entire Justice Department."You know, putting a national lockdown, stay at home orders, is like house arrest. Other than slavery, which was a different kind of restraint, this is the greatest intrusion on civil liberties in American history," Bill Barr said.
Wow. Snowflake much?Though this is uncomparable to slavery, in any fashion, it is becoming an incredible intrusion on our liberties.
This is a nihilist line of thought; that if you can't cure / mitigate all other causes of death before COVID, then COVID isn't a serious concern.
If you're going to be this nonchalant about vast swaths of preventable deaths, please list your age, race/ethnicity profession and income so we can determine where you're coming from. It's easy to dismiss piles and piles of dead when you're relatively safe. I suspect that if COVID targeted all posters named 'grip', you'd be more invested in a solution.
Maybe people aren't dropping like flies because they know more about the virus and have better treatments. I think the severity of sickness might depend on how much exposure one had to the virus . But people are still dying at an average of a 1000 a day and a lot of survivors are still suffering long term damage it did to their health.infection fatality rate of 0.63%
People aren't dropping like flies because the disease just isn't that deadly with an infection fatality rate of 0.65%. You can't make something more serious than it actually is unless you hype it continuously.
I'm afraid, Benjamin Franklin's often overused quote may be meaningful in this case: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
38,000 people die in the USA per year from vehicle accidents.
200,000+ have died in 7 months from covid19.
And there's been an estimated 600,000 deaths from influenza since 2010.
While I understand that impulse, grip is distorting the reality.Causes of death should not be dismissed simply because they're not the #1, or top three, or whatever....
While I understand that impulse, grip is distorting the reality.
- The #1 cause of death in the US in 2019 was cardiac disease -- 635,000 deaths
- The #2 cause of death was all cancers -- 600,000 (afaik 2/3 from tobacco)
- The #3 cause of death was accidents -- 161,000 deaths
Meaning that COVID will almost certainly be the 3rd leading cause of death in 2020. And obviously, if we did nothing, it would be the #1 cause.
Also, we have in fact spent, and continue to spend, tremendous sums on research and treatments for heart disease and cancer. We also know many of the causes of heart disease and cancer. I might add, I'd be 100% on board with taking more action against those diseases, especially banning cigarettes.
Oh, and obviously, social distancing doesn't significantly reduce deaths from heart disease or cancer....
The different states had different responses. You'd have to take it state by state.
If you look at individual states, then 40 or so of them did much better than European countries while the rest did worse, some a lot worse. There was no uniformity of the response either among those that did worse or those who did better. So those that closed down hard and long sometimes did worse and vice versa.
Some people want to make this into a morality play, but I don't see how you can honestly draw any firm conclusions about what the right thing to do was.
Maybe people aren't dropping like flies because they know more about the virus and have better treatments. I think the severity of sickness might depend on how much exposure one had to the virus . But people are still dying at an average of a 1000 a day and a lot of survivors are still suffering long term damage it did to their health.
Leaking blood vessels suggests the virus is more like ebola than the flu.
People keep misusing that quote. I do not think it means what you think it means.
It probably is if you catch it.I'm afraid, Benjamin Franklin's often overused quote may be meaningful in this case: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
I feel the country should've practiced "some" protective measures against spreading this disease, not this hodge-podge mess. But have we really purchased a significant amount of security to offset the misery and cost of the long term damage done by the shutdown, social distancing, and other measures?
"You know, putting a national lockdown, stay at home orders, is like house arrest. Other than slavery, which was a different kind of restraint, this is the greatest intrusion on civil liberties in American history," Bill Barr said.
Though this is uncomparable to slavery, in any fashion, it is becoming an incredible intrusion on our liberties. The big question is, was this disease deadly enough to warrant the reactions? Many think not and many do.
And how many people are in the world nowadays?probably not. only a million people have died in a little over six months.
My numbers from Wikipedia are different. In the last nine years - 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 - there have been 337,000 deaths due to influenza in the USA. 337,000/9 = 37,444 average per year for that period.
So far, since March and thru September, we have 200,000 deaths in the USA resulting from COVID-19. That's with March only barely getting out of the gates with less than 5,000 as COVID started to initially spread. And September still has 9 days (30%) unfinished/uncounted. On an annualized basis, the COVID can be expected to reach or likely exceed 340,000. So carry that 340,000 out over 9 years, like the influenza figures above, and you get 3.06 million deaths in the USA come Christmas Eve of 2028. So the comparable numbers are 3,060,000 deaths for COVID vs. 337,000 for influenza, over a nine year period. 3,060,000 or 337,000. Which is larger? Are either a significant concern? In know my answer, and quite a lot of people above in this thread got it wrong.
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