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Is this a semantic argument about the use of the word "targeted"? Would you prefer "unequally scrutinized based on political lean"?They were not targeted. I'm not sure that there is even any legitimate debate over that.
Wow, talk about opposite ends of the spectrum.
You may have a point there. The Democrats court social conservatives and the Republicans court fiscal liberals. Those seem to be the swing voters but fiscal conservatives account for a huge portion of voters and we're fed up with both parties being against us.
Poll: GOP Can Broaden Appeal by Sticking to Fiscal Conservatism - US News and World Report
Is this a semantic argument about the use of the word "targeted"? Would you prefer "unequally scrutinized based on political lean"?
The OP's article states: "An internal IRS report found the agency improperly targeted the small-government advocates for additional scrutiny."
Didn't think we would have folks insisting that they weren't targeted.
Is this a semantic argument about the use of the word "targeted"? Would you prefer "unequally scrutinized based on political lean"?
this does not appear to be political, but bungling
Kind of depends on whether progressive groups were equally selected out. No word on that after all the so-called investigations.
Still, I'm happy to say that the tea party was targeted, now that it's clear a GOP operative was behind the targeting. Looks more and more like a Nixonian GOP dirty trick, perhaps linked to Issa.
Shouldn't we investigate that?
Of course not
It's proof that even "self-described conservative republicans" were conspiring to defeat Romney :roll:
Any old timer here will tell you that I was one of the very first to oppose Bush's war in Iraq. And, who the hell is "my people"? Fact is, you are nothing but a hack.
If they cast away the Tea Party AND the social conservatives, they'd be the exact opposite of who they are now and that would put them to the left of the Democrats. All of the moderates would flock to the Democrats. If they're gonna ditch one or the other, it should be the social conservatives. These data agree with me. Fewer Americans Identify as Economic Conservatives in 2013 . IOW, the GOP needs to be more libertarian.I agree. I am a fiscal conservative. Also, on the social side, I am pro-life, pro-gun and anti-government cheese. However, I do not feel the need to cram my conservative-side beliefs down the throats of my fellow American's and mandate that they live by my personal beliefs. That makes me, technically, according to extreme righties, a liberal.
I believe the GOP has became too dependent on the social conservatives, which mainstream, middle-of-the-road people (read; majority,) just seem to love to hate, and it is costing them dearly. But they are between the proverbial rock and hard place. If they cast away the social conservatives and Tea Party types from their flock, will there be enough moderates to fill the void? With with the recent "GOP obstruction" attitudes people have towards the GOP, and given the republican led congress disapproval numbers, would shunning the TP'er's even be enough to save their sinking ship?
Yes, the GOP has some hard decisions to make in the near future. I wish them well. Imagine how this country would be if the democrats had full control. I shutter to think about that. I hope when the smoke clears and cooler heads start prevailing, the GOP can fulfill it's potential and get back in step with America. But it helps them none when America identifies the likes of Palin, Bachmann, Perry, Cruz and FOXNews when they think of the GOP. They need to repair that brand image as well.
Yes, after all the investigating, there's no evidence that left leaning groups were scrutinized the way that right leaning groups were.Kind of depends on whether progressive groups were equally selected out. No word on that after all the so-called investigations.
Oh FFS....
Without regard to who started the targeting or why we have seen and heard several top level officials who acknowledged that they were aware that the targeting was going on and did nothing about it. That's unacceptable under any circumstances. If nobody informed the White House that doesn't mean that the White House is guiltless in this. Oversight starts at the top and if the top has opted to insulate itself rather than lead then it becomes nothing more than a pawn of the infrastructure beneath it.
Should be easy enough to find out. OFA hasn't applied yet, but since they have 2 years to apply, I'm betting they will wait till their limit and disband. If they did apply, they should get red-flagged immediately since they don't qualify as a 501(c)4 since their primary goal is political.
Also, not sure how an individual can be called a "GOP operative" simply by identifying themselves as a Republican, quite a stretch there. His testimony is at odds with others at the Cincinnati office who stated, under penalty of perjury, that they were pressured from the IRS office in Washingon to target Tea Party groups
Predictable. It was a GOP operative all along. Either he was trying to create a fake scandal that he knew Issa would pick up (perhaps working with him -- that should be investigated) or he was trying to harm the tea party because it deflated GOP electoral prospects (again perhaps while working with the GOP leadership).
We need to investigate the GOP connection with this, starting with Issa.
Paranoia will destroy 'ya. LOL.
That's not what I meant. Why do you blame the Democratic majority on the Tea Party?
By a GOP operative.
Doesn't fit into your narrative too well, does it?
I don't care if they were targeted by some idiot in a chicken costume! This is the government unduly screwing with American citizens based on nothing more than political ideology and it's intolerable.
The manager further testified that the Tea Party groups were deliberately grouped together so that they would receive consistent treatment. “There was a lot of concerns about making sure that any cases that had, you know, similar-type activities or items included, that they would be worked by the same agent or same group,” the manager testified.
I don't care if they were targeted by some idiot in a chicken costume! This is the government unduly screwing with American citizens based on nothing more than political ideology and it's intolerable.
True
The fact that republicans lied is unimportant. The fact that the Obama administration did not lie is not important
What's important is that Obama get the blame, one way or another. It's a matter of principle!
That's what's relevant and that's what we know for sure. The only question is; how high does it go?I don't care if they were targeted by some idiot in a chicken costume! This is the government unduly screwing with American citizens based on nothing more than political ideology and it's intolerable.
That is a lie
From the article
"consistent" as in all Tea Party groups being treated like each other, but not "consistent" as in being treated like liberal groupsThat is a lie
From the article
http://democrats.oversight.house.go...and_Account_Origin_Of_Tea_Party_Screening.pdf page 36.That's what's relevant and that's what we know for sure. The only question is; how high does it go?
"political Ideology" as in behavior, not motiveYeah, but that's only your opinion. If it can't be by Obama then nobody really cares anymore. And besides, if it's not by Obama then it isn't political ideology anymore either. It's necessary for the nation's security because otherwise more chickens are going to come home and could make you care again.
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