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Iraqi Court: Execute Saddam within 30 days

The best that can be said is that the Iraq war is at a stalemate. Afghanistan isn't exactly the conquest of "fortress Europe" either.

Our military did and outstanding job in Afghanistan............Why do you constantly demean them and put them down? I will never understand you Liberals.........
 
[QUOTE]:
Originally Posted by Navy Pride
How about all your leaders, Kerry, Murtha, Durbin and Kennedy............They have total disdain and hatred for our military and they are your Gods........


Instead of smoke screens why don't you respond to my comments about your leaders who have proven over and over again that they have total disdain for our military?[/QUOTE]

Those men served the nation in combat and they served it well. If after they had done their duty and fulfilled their obligation they have every right to feel whatever they may feel afterward. Who are you or even I to judge them? No one that is who. You are far more of a disgrace to this nation than any of them. Worse you brag about your service and then have the nerve denigrate the service of others. That is shameful. If you don't think so then you are lying to yourself. If everyone in the service exhibited the behavior and the divisive attitude that you show they'd be speaking Viet Namese in Kansas City and Arabic in Boise. For shame!!!! I am sick of you people who bad mouth American service men because they have different ideas than you do. Get off your a$$, reup and prove that you are the big bad macho you show us from the safety of you keyboard.
 
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Instead of smoke screens why don't you respond to my comments about your leaders who have proven over and over again that they have total disdain for our military?

Those men served the nation in combat and they served it well. If after they had done their duty and fulfilled their obligation they have every right to feel whatever they may feel afterward. Who are you or even I to judge them? No one that is who. You are far more of a disgrace to this nation than any of them. Worse you brag about your service and then have the nerve denigrate the service of others. That is shameful. If you don't think so then you are lying to yourself. If everyone in the service exhibited the behavior and the divisive attitude that you show they'd be speaking Viet Namese in Kansas City and Arabic in Boise. For shame!!!! I am sick of you people who bad mouth American service men because they have different ideas than you do. Get off your a$$, reup and prove that you are the big bad macho you show us from the safety of you keyboard.[/QUOTE]

Horseshit.............I would be interested in knowing when Durbin and Kennedy served in combat and Kerry is a traitor as far as I am con=cerned..........

Murtha said our troops in Iraq were guilty before they were even charged...........
 
Like I said you're a bitter old man with nothing to your credit but to spew evil about you fellow service men. Horsesh¡t is what you put forth. You denigrate these men for a cheap tawdry political ideology that in a few years will be forgotten. You love your ideology more than you love your country that's clear as mountain rain water. You should have been a politician and not a service man. It fits your bitterness and the hatred you carry around with you. To me you are far more the traitor than the men you judge as traitors. You leave no substance to debate. Your words are empty and full of pure hatred for your own kind. I feel sorry for you but not enough to say a prayer for you, it must be a lonely existence you lead.
 
Our military did and outstanding job in Afghanistan............Why do you constantly demean them and put them down? I will never understand you Liberals.........

Tactical and strategic errors are not demeaning... you again use the wrong words but that's endemic with you. You ire gets the better of you. There is no end in sight to either of these conflicts because the people giving the orders are exactly what you say about those you hate so much. We'll see the real truth when this bad of robber barons are out of the government. Face the truth the Cheneys and the Rumsfelds have lead the military down the path of rack and ruin. The generals are dancing around because they don't want to insult these incompetents because they know just how vindictive this administration is. Not one of them wants to put his retirement in jeopardy. It's become evident that this administration will trash and destroy anyone who disagrees with them. you a$$ is safe anyway. But you ideology blinds you to the truth.
 
I really think that after reading many of TOT posts the Boy has a disorder. Its not the point about feeling sorry for Saddam,due to the fact that he had it coming,and why be glad that he's gone when Bush is doing the same damn thing? Maybe I should ask the question...why is a negative poster is aloowed to keep posting without a forever ban? TOT and I had a run in about another topic,and the thread was removed by one of the Moderators. In closing Saddam is dead and buried its time to move on.
 
Like I said you're a bitter old man with nothing to your credit but to spew evil about you fellow service men. Horsesh¡t is what you put forth. You denigrate these men for a cheap tawdry political ideology that in a few years will be forgotten. You love your ideology more than you love your country that's clear as mountain rain water. You should have been a politician and not a service man. It fits your bitterness and the hatred you carry around with you. To me you are far more the traitor than the men you judge as traitors. You leave no substance to debate. Your words are empty and full of pure hatred for your own kind. I feel sorry for you but not enough to say a prayer for you, it must be a lonely existence you lead.

I was in that military that you and Kerry have such disdain and hatred for 21 years and proud of it............I am also a proud Vietnam vet and we will never forgive your hero Kerry for the lies he told about us......................Your probably in with "Hanoi jane" Fonda too......

Oh and one more thing...You can sit safely behind your monitor and knock me and other men who have served their country but you would never do it to our face.............Like your Hero Kerry your very brave there...............Yeah I am and old man but i still have a size 12 boot that would fit up your ***...

I can never understand why people like you have sympathy for a butcher like Saddam.......
 
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I was in that military that you and Kerry have such disdain and hatred for 21 years and proud of it............I am also a proud Vietnam vet and we will never forgive your hero Kerry for the lies he told about us......................Your probably in with "Hanoi jane" Fonda too......

Oh and one more thing...You can sit safely behind your monitor and knock me and other men who have served their country but you would never do it to our face.............Like your Hero Kerry your very brave there...............Yeah I am and old man but i still have a size 12 boot that would fit up your ***...

I also served my time in SE Asia and I am probably older than you, The size 12 boot you got fits perfectly in you mouth which seems to double as you a$$ as well. The Jane Fonda thing is old and doesn't work as an insult anymore. If you've got anymore juvenile sh¡t write it down so we can all see just how ridiculous you can make yourself. My time was spent in the showers of any ship it was spent on the fkking ground which you seem to have no concept of, anyway you sound like a real a loser and this is the end of any more of this silly communication with you. From here on in Ignore is the best tactic.
 
I also served my time in SE Asia and I am probably older than you, The size 12 boot you got fits perfectly in you mouth which seems to double as you a$$ as well. The Jane Fonda thing is old and doesn't work as an insult anymore. If you've got anymore juvenile sh¡t write it down so we can all see just how ridiculous you can make yourself. My time was spent in the showers of any ship it was spent on the fkking ground which you seem to have no concept of, anyway you sound like a real a loser and this is the end of any more of this silly communication with you. From here on in Ignore is the best tactic.

Go Inuyasha Go. NP seem to think that he's the only one who served the United Snakes of Murders. Well Salute to you Inuyasha, and every damn point you have made is valid which makes the forum interesting. This is a very good website to talk politics and to debate,but in this world everyone who served is equal, and we are the ones who really knows the pain of war.

One thing for sure in Viet nam they was not killing one another like in Iraq, and the biggest problem is the Americans in Iraq. Thanks to Georgie boy who is (another NP) a has been or a wannabe, and if it was not for him seeking revenge for his Father (Old Goat Bush) we would not be in Iraq. Again, just like the Viet Nam war was not our concern,but look at how long the war lasted,and how many of us was blessed to come home but wounded or our minds is messed up. WAR IS NO DAMN JOKE.
 
I also served my time in SE Asia and I am probably older than you, The size 12 boot you got fits perfectly in you mouth which seems to double as you a$$ as well. The Jane Fonda thing is old and doesn't work as an insult anymore. If you've got anymore juvenile sh¡t write it down so we can all see just how ridiculous you can make yourself. My time was spent in the showers of any ship it was spent on the fkking ground which you seem to have no concept of, anyway you sound like a real a loser and this is the end of any more of this silly communication with you. From here on in Ignore is the best tactic.

Maybe you have forgotten what traitors Kerry and "Hanoi Jne" Fonda are but real Vietnam vets never will forget: Shame on you.........

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> She really was a traitor
>
> A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
> KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA
>
> This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
> Not remember, and didn't have to bear the
> Burden that our fathers, mothers and older
> Brothers and sisters had to bear.
>
> Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
> "100 Women of the Century."
>
> BY BARBRA WALTERS
>
> Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
> Countless others have never known how Ms.
> Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
> But specific men who served and sacrificed
> During Vietnam .
>
> The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot
>
> The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
>
> In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
> Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
> The "Hanoi Hilton."
>
> Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
> Cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
> Ordered to describe for a visiting American
> "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
> Treatment" he'd received.
>
> He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
> Dragged away.
> During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
> On to the camp Commandant 'S feet, which
> Sent that officer berserk.
>
> In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
> Double vision (which permanently ended his
> Flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
> Application of a wooden baton.
>
> From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
> 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
> "Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
> Family only knew he was "missing in action".
> His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
> His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
> Clothed routine in preparation for a
> "peace delegation" visit.
> They, however, had time and devised a plan to
> Get word to the world that they were alive
> And still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
> Piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
> On it, in the palm of his hand.
>
> When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
> Cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
> man's hand and asking little encouraging
> Snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
> Babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
> Treatment from your benevolent captors?"
> Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
> Palmed her their sliver of paper.
> She took them all without missing a beat. At the
> End of the line and once the camera stopped
> Rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
> She turned to the officer in charge and handed
> Him all the little pieces of paper.
>
> Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
> Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
> But he survived, which is the only reason we
> Know of her actions that day.
>
> I was a civilian economic development advisor
> In Vietnam , and was captured by the North
> Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
> 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.
>
> I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
> Year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year
> In a "black box" in Hanoi
> My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
> Poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
> Nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
> Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the
> Cambodian border.
> At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs
>
> We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
>
> When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by
> The camp communist political officer if I would
> Be willing to meet with her.
>
> I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
> Treatment we POWs received... And how
> Different it was from the treatment purported by
> The North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
> "humane and lenient."
>
> Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
> Floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
> With a large steel weights placed on my hands,
> And beaten with a bamboo cane.
>
> I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
> Soon after I was released. I asked her
> If she would be willing to debate me on TV.
> She never did answer me.
>
> These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
> Someone who should be honored as part
> Of "100 Years of Great Women."
> Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
> should never include a traitor whose hands are
> covered with the blood of so many patriots.
>
> There are few things I have strong visceral
> reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
> blatant treason, is one of them.
> Please take the time to forward to as many
> people as you possibly can.
> It will eventually end up on her computer and
> she needs to know that we will never forget.
> RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
> 716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
> Maintenance
> DSN: 875-6431
> COMM: 883-6343
 
Maybe you have forgotten what traitors Kerry and "Hanoi Jne" Fonda are but real Vietnam vets never will forget: Shame on you.........

Have you heard about Dick Cheney? He didnt even go to Vietnam. Did everything possible to avoid going to Nam.

Dick Cheney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cheney was of military age and a supporter of the Vietnam War but he did not serve in the war, applying for and receiving five draft deferments. In an interview with George C. Wilson that appeared in the April 5, 1989 issue of The Washington Post, when asked about his deferments the future Defense Secretary said, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."[5] There continues to be controversy involving Dick Cheney and the draft, due in part to Cheney's five draft deferments. In January 1959, when Mr. Cheney reached age 18 and was classified as 1-A — available for service — he was doing poorly at Yale. At that time, however, the military was taking only older men, and like most others who were in college at the time, Cheney had little concern about being drafted. In June 1962, Cheney left Yale to return home to Casper, where he worked as a lineman for a power company. In 1962, only 82,060 men were inducted into the service, the fewest since 1949. While Cheney was eligible for the draft, as he said during his confirmation hearings in 1989, he was not called up because the Selective Service System was taking only older men.

By January 1963, with the US actively advising South Vietnamese forces, Cheney enrolled in Casper Community College and turned 22 that month. At that time, he sought his first student deferment which was granted on March 20, according to records from the Selective Service System. After transferring to the University of Wyoming at Laramie, Cheney sought his second student deferment on July 23, 1963. On August 7, 1964, Congress approved the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which allowed President Lyndon B. Johnson to use military force in Vietnam. From that point on, American involvement in Vietnam began to escalate rapidly.

On August 29, 1964, 22 days after the resolution, Cheney married his high school sweetheart, Lynne. He sought and was granted his third student deferment on October 14, 1964. In May 1965, Cheney graduated from college and his draft status changed to 1-A. Since he was married, however, he had somewhat better protection from being drafted. In July 1965, Johnson announced that he was doubling the number of men drafted. The number of inductions soared, to 382,010 in 1966 from 230,991 in 1965 and 112,386 in 1964. Cheney obtained his fourth deferment because he started graduate school at the University of Wyoming on November 1, 1965.

On October 6, 1965, the Selective Service lifted its ban against drafting married men who had no children. On January 19, 1966, when his wife was about 10 weeks pregnant, Mr. Cheney applied for 3-A status, the "hardship" exemption, which excluded men with children or dependent parents. It was granted. In January 1967, Cheney turned 26 and was no longer eligible for the draft.[6]

Now thats what I call a patriot. I love how people talk about Kerry as a traitor. Why? Because he went and then regreted it? Yeah it's what happens when you see atrocities but dont worry we dont have that problem with Cheney. He unlike 58,000 Americans thought defending the country wasn't a top priority. :2wave: . Have a nice day.
 
Go Inuyasha Go. NP seem to think that he's the only one who served the United Snakes of Murders. Well Salute to you Inuyasha, and every damn point you have made is valid which makes the forum interesting. This is a very good website to talk politics and to debate,but in this world everyone who served is equal, and we are the ones who really knows the pain of war.

One thing for sure in Viet nam they was not killing one another like in Iraq, and the biggest problem is the Americans in Iraq. Thanks to Georgie boy who is (another NP) a has been or a wannabe, and if it was not for him seeking revenge for his Father (Old Goat Bush) we would not be in Iraq. Again, just like the Viet Nam war was not our concern,but look at how long the war lasted,and how many of us was blessed to come home but wounded or our minds is messed up. WAR IS NO DAMN JOKE.

Proud day for you and your family.:roll:
 
Maybe you have forgotten what traitors Kerry and "Hanoi Jne" Fonda are but real Vietnam vets never will forget: Shame on you.........

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> She really was a traitor
>
> A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
> KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA
>
> This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
> Not remember, and didn't have to bear the
> Burden that our fathers, mothers and older
> Brothers and sisters had to bear.
>
> Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
> "100 Women of the Century."
>
> BY BARBRA WALTERS
>
> Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
> Countless others have never known how Ms.
> Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
> But specific men who served and sacrificed
> During Vietnam .
>
> The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot
>
> The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
>
> In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
> Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
> The "Hanoi Hilton."
>
> Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
> Cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
> Ordered to describe for a visiting American
> "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
> Treatment" he'd received.
>
> He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
> Dragged away.
> During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
> On to the camp Commandant 'S feet, which
> Sent that officer berserk.
>
> In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
> Double vision (which permanently ended his
> Flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
> Application of a wooden baton.
>
> From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
> 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
> "Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
> Family only knew he was "missing in action".
> His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
> His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
> Clothed routine in preparation for a
> "peace delegation" visit.
> They, however, had time and devised a plan to
> Get word to the world that they were alive
> And still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
> Piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
> On it, in the palm of his hand.
>
> When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
> Cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
> man's hand and asking little encouraging
> Snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
> Babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
> Treatment from your benevolent captors?"
> Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
> Palmed her their sliver of paper.
> She took them all without missing a beat. At the
> End of the line and once the camera stopped
> Rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
> She turned to the officer in charge and handed
> Him all the little pieces of paper.
>
> Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
> Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
> But he survived, which is the only reason we
> Know of her actions that day.
>
> I was a civilian economic development advisor
> In Vietnam , and was captured by the North
> Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
> 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.
>
> I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
> Year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year
> In a "black box" in Hanoi
> My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
> Poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
> Nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
> Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the
> Cambodian border.
> At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs
>
> We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
>
> When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by
> The camp communist political officer if I would
> Be willing to meet with her.
>
> I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
> Treatment we POWs received... And how
> Different it was from the treatment purported by
> The North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
> "humane and lenient."
>
> Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
> Floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
> With a large steel weights placed on my hands,
> And beaten with a bamboo cane.
>
> I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
> Soon after I was released. I asked her
> If she would be willing to debate me on TV.
> She never did answer me.
>
> These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
> Someone who should be honored as part
> Of "100 Years of Great Women."
> Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
> should never include a traitor whose hands are
> covered with the blood of so many patriots.
>
> There are few things I have strong visceral
> reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
> blatant treason, is one of them.
> Please take the time to forward to as many
> people as you possibly can.
> It will eventually end up on her computer and
> she needs to know that we will never forget.
> RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
> 716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
> Maintenance
> DSN: 875-6431
> COMM: 883-6343


Navy - Jane Fonda is enough of a piece of **** that there's no need to resort to untruths to make the point. The story you're reporting above was actually proven to be untrue. Check it out here: Urban Legends Reference Pages: Hanoi'd with Jane

Nevertheless, she's a rotten specimen of a human being.
 
Certainly Fonda's behavior with regard to the South East Asian conflict is reprehensible but hasn't she appoligized for this? We can forgive but not forget... after all we have done this with people who have cause even more damage to the nation. Richard Nixon is one perfect example. Have we not forgiven Nixon? IMO for the most part we have.
 
And this is exactly what I was referring. What's not clear about it? Nobody said anything about a "primary mission." This sort of tactic is merely a way to explain away the absence of morality. Was Saddam evil? Did America choose to do something? Did others choose to defend that evil? The threat to the world is Middle Eastern Radical Islam. Therefore, helping Mulsims in the Middle East is logical.

Well I can use the same logic as you and say this. It's evil that millions of people starve to death. Therofore I go into an American bank and steal some million dollars and just plan to throw the dollars from a plan over the poorest part of Africa. And if I get arrested by the american police they then defend the evil that people are starving to death. If my plan to throw money from a plan doesn't work because only a few rough man get's the money, well what a heck atleast I tried.

My point is it's not enough with good intent that you also have to have a plan that work and also you have to consider the negative effects of your plan. Also that other people try to stop your plan to fight evil doesn't mean that they support evil. It can just mean that they don't think you have a good plan.

Tens of millions of Muslims now have an opportunity to do something about their misery that they would not have had otherwise without our involvement. The success of Iraq is very important to the region. If it fails, it will be just one more Arab failure among a history of failures. But perhaps Iraq is theior last chance to get it right. Hundreds of millions of Muslims are at stake. And so is our security against a religiously ravaged region.

Well do they? No the problem is like many tries to the west have had to "help" this one seem to go up in smoke. Then is it of course easy to blame "the stupid arabs". But maybee the failures also have to do with the plan to help wasn't exactly the best. Remember other attemps to help the arab people have been to support brutale dictators and brutale warr so maybee it's not strange that the situation is so messed up in ME and that the people of ME don't trust Western help.

Really? Where have you been? Your region of the earth is the greatest offender. How many times have we heard that America has no right to interfere with soveriegnty? "Soveriegnty" was the exhoneration of Berlin, Paris, and Brussels. But let's just pretend that the world is BebatePolitics.com. How many that are reasding this right now have used the "soveriegnty" sham as an excuse to do nothing?

Well ok let's say skip soveriegnty Russia atacks SaudArabia. What will happen? Will USA start WW3, fight the russians only in SaudArabia, stay in there bases or welcome the russian. Also what will happen if the russians excidenlty bombs and kill som Americans? Because just as USA war on Iraq can a Russian war on SaudArabia be seen as a war for democracy and have the same legitimicy. That if democratic countries have cart blanche to atack dictaturship things can get a bit messy. And also remember the cost for the civilians in that dictaturship can be very high if their countries is liberated by force. Therfore it can be good with both clear need for intervention, clear goals, clear insight into the concevences of the war, international support for an armed intervention. Iraq war lacked all and see how it ended.


Exactly my point. You obviously know very little about Saddam Hussein and his local accusers that represent millions of others.

Can you please enlight me then? Havn't alot of Shia and ecpecially Kurdish people been upset that he wasn't tried for his big crimes against there people, that at the same time that they was relived/glad about his conviction and death.

Also my opposition against death penalty have nothing to do with my understanding of Saddam crimes and the suffering of the Iraqie people. That is just a universal principle that I have that a death penalty is a barbaric penalty not fit for a democratic country. But of course I understand why people want the death penalty as I aldready said.
 
Have you heard about Dick Cheney? He didnt even go to Vietnam. Did everything possible to avoid going to Nam.

Dick Cheney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Now thats what I call a patriot. I love how people talk about Kerry as a traitor. Why? Because he went and then regreted it? Yeah it's what happens when you see atrocities but dont worry we dont have that problem with Cheney. He unlike 58,000 Americans thought defending the country wasn't a top priority. :2wave: . Have a nice day.

Cheney never lied about Vietnam vets nor is he a Hero in Hanoi like Kerry is.......

You must really like "Slick Willie" Clinton the biggest draft dodger of all times....
 
Cheney never lied about Vietnam vets nor is he a Hero in Hanoi like Kerry is.......

You must really like "Slick Willie" Clinton the biggest draft dodger of all times....

LOL Like I said. When in fear bring up Clinton. Dude Cheney AND Clinton are both draft dodgers...the only difference is Clinton isn't in office telling Americans to sacrifice themselves and Cheney is while at the same time not having ever in his sacrificed a pinky for this country when it counted because he had "other priorities"
 
LOL Like I said. When in fear bring up Clinton. Dude Cheney AND Clinton are both draft dodgers...the only difference is Clinton isn't in office telling Americans to sacrifice themselves and Cheney is while at the same time not having ever in his sacrificed a pinky for this country when it counted because he had "other priorities"

Well, that...and the fact that Cheney is VICE president while Clinton was President, Commander in Chief, etc. But sure...your difference is the "only" difference there is...
 
The extreme right must be scared sh¡tless of Clinton. Six years after he's gone that's all they can talk about. I cannot recall in my many years a former president carrying so much weight. BTW it's no secret that Cheney is the most powerful VP in the history of the nation. He' might as well be the president for all the power Bush has over him. You notice the two never go hunting together.
 
The extreme right must be scared sh¡tless of Clinton. Six years after he's gone that's all they can talk about. I cannot recall in my many years a former president carrying so much weight. BTW it's no secret that Cheney is the most powerful VP in the history of the nation. He' might as well be the president for all the power Bush has over him. You notice the two never go hunting together.

That's because he can be referenced so easily.I love how peopel are
like "haha that's all you can use".A lot of thimes that's all that NEEDS to be used.He's no cop-out, I don't see the problem with it.

Also these same people saying this will use Bush for years and years and years to come.
 
That's because he can be referenced so easily.I love how peopel are
like "haha that's all you can use".A lot of thimes that's all that NEEDS to be used.He's no cop-out, I don't see the problem with it.

Also these same people saying this will use Bush for years and years and years to come.

They may blame Bush for a few things but he won't get the play from the extremists that Clinton gets. Bush will be between Carter and Clinton. The day Carter left office he was totally forgotten for years. That's the sign of a failure IMO. The extremists on the right are afraid that Clinton will return. fat chance. And the misses is too egotistical to team up with her cheating spouse. The only person in this administratration that comes close to Clinton as far as being a politician is Rove and he's too far down the food chain to equate with Slick Willy.. at least for the moment.

I don'r say it's a cop out, just not very imaginative.
 
Also these same people saying this will use Bush for years and years and years to come.

Bush will most likely leave at a time when the country is still at war and split right down the middle when it comes to this Iraq mess, he's leaving the country with a black spot of incompetence, cronism and incompetence. Meaning that the next president will have to deal with the mistakes the Bush administration has made. Now, what gives you reason to belive that speaking of Bush in any context regarding the situation in America within the next 10 years is going to be "scapegoatism" and not "the truth"?

Bush started Iraq. Not Clinton.

Bush started the "War of Terror". Not Clinton.

The Bush Administration's complete incompetence when dealing with the war in Iraq is The Bush Administrations own doing. Not that of the Clinton Administration. The left has admitted that Clinton lied about getting a blowjob. Yes and? The Bush administration only sent an entire country to war 10,000 miles away using evidence that was "faulty" to say the least but hey...the conservatives would rather preserve family values and bring up how Clinton lied about his blowjobs.:doh
 
The other thing is that the bush administration has had six years to rectify the things they considered wrong with the Clinton administration. They got rid of the deficit surplus in two short years yet they can't seem to solve any of the so-called problems they have inherited from the former administration. After six years of complaining about the prior administration I'd say what we are hearing are excuses for this administration's incompetence. I guess this administration is only good at spending money and that any of us can do if you simply give us a supply of it.
 
Bush didn't start the war on terror. He just revived it. Phillip of Macedonia started the war on terror in the western world when he went into what is today Bulgaria. He got his a$$ kicked royally and so has every one else since then. It is a war that can never be won. The best that can be done is to defend against terrorism until one form or another dies out... but then another will start up just as quickly as one disappears.
 
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