It's been postured that if Iran tries something it would be an air detonated nuke to basically hit the grids with an EMP burst and disable the grid. That is why I take a couple of ships seriously, ultimately I think the U.S. population would send their entire military to Allah for judgement, but there would still be a lot of work done to fix the chaotic mess something like that would create.
The fleet, consisting of a destroyer and a helicopter-carrying supply ship, began its voyage last month from the southern Iranian port city of Bandar Abbas. The ships, carrying some 30 navy academy cadets for training along with their regular crews, are on a three-month mission.
The Islamic Republic considers the move as a response to U.S. naval deployments near its own coastlines. The U.S. Navy's 5th fleet is based in nearby Bahrain.
I agree, but with wild cards you just never know. I don't advocate striking them first, and if they did get into our waters they should be either redirected or detained. In international waters though they do have the right to be there, should they show any signs of an attack, well, that's on them an may the deity(or not) of your choice have mercy on their souls.Precisely why Iran isn't going to start anything. The key thing to remember with dictators is that they wish to maintain their power.
Nobody on the planet is delusional enough to think they can do that with a United States of America that is really, really pissed off.
The democrat party and its govt is as fascist as anyone needs.
You Liberals really crack me up...If they come close to the U.S. take their ass out........Don't worry though Obama will kiss their ass...
For the record, this 'destroyer' is really just a frigate...and a small one at that.
Moudge-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You Liberals really crack me up...If they come close to the U.S. take their ass out........Don't worry though Obama will kiss their ass...
I agree, but with wild cards you just never know. I don't advocate striking them first, and if they did get into our waters they should be either redirected or detained. In international waters though they do have the right to be there, should they show any signs of an attack, well, that's on them an may the deity(or not) of your choice have mercy on their souls.
Sailing your navy in international waters isn't shaking your fist in anyone's face. Or do you think that's what it is when the US navy does that?
Quds Force and Takavar (Iranian Special Forces) are considered some of the best in the world. They aren't pushovers. Israel, US and UK Government can tell you that as they've seen them fight first hand in places like Bosnia (when US and Iran had the same objective), Lebanon, and Iraq. Hell, a lot of the Iraqi leadership we relied on during Iraq War were protected and kept alive by Quds during the 1990s.
These dumb idiots must think that if is only fair to do something as meaningless as this. If the US can hold navy maneuvers in the Persian Gulf the Iranians must feel it is fair to sail close to US waters as a "retaliation". Silly and pathetic but then again, we are talking about the Iranian government.
Yeah, I thought of that too. It's hard to know with countries like Iran and N. Korea what exactly in the hell their end game is.Perhaps its a stunt while "disarmament" talks (stall tactics while they finish up their nukes) goes down.
Quds Force and Takavar (Iranian Special Forces) are considered some of the best in the world. They aren't pushovers. Israel, US and UK Government can tell you that as they've seen them fight first hand in places like Bosnia (when US and Iran had the same objective), Lebanon, and Iraq. Hell, a lot of the Iraqi leadership we relied on during Iraq War were protected and kept alive by Quds during the 1990s.
It's been postured that if Iran tries something it would be an air detonated nuke to basically hit the grids with an EMP burst and disable the grid. That is why I take a couple of ships seriously, ultimately I think the U.S. population would send their entire military to Allah for judgement, but there would still be a lot of work done to fix the chaotic mess something like that would create.
Yeah, on the surface I would hope the mullahs are smart enough not to get into an international pissing contest. I wish we had backed the Iranian protesters when we had the chance, I've known people who immigrated from there and the leadership is not popular, but they do have the benefit of force monopoly right now and with a bit of help they could have been deposed. With them at the helm it's a guessing game right now.Hey, look what some those ****s did in NYC. I just don't think they'd do something like that, unless provoked right now. Their rulers would be pushed out pretty quick if we rained a world of hurt on them, because of rash actions. Now if they know something we don't about an impending Israeli strike on their nuke facilities it may be a plan. Right now it simply appears like an impotent weenie waving.
Yeah, on the surface I would hope the mullahs are smart enough not to get into an international pissing contest. I wish we had backed the Iranian protesters when we had the chance, I've known people who immigrated from there and the leadership is not popular, but they do have the benefit of force monopoly right now and with a bit of help they could have been deposed. With them at the helm it's a guessing game right now.
I'm not sure myself. If they lost, you bet, if the push was enough to evacuate Tehran, well a lot of the issues in the middle east would possibly evaporate. It would have been a gamble either way, I do concede that.If we'd visibly backed the opposition, it would've hurt them rather than helped them.
Yeah, on the surface I would hope the mullahs are smart enough not to get into an international pissing contest. I wish we had backed the Iranian protesters when we had the chance, I've known people who immigrated from there and the leadership is not popular, but they do have the benefit of force monopoly right now and with a bit of help they could have been deposed. With them at the helm it's a guessing game right now.
I think the biggest mistake in foreign diplomacy has been the U.S. installing "friendlies" to our own interests, it backfires when it goes against the people of a country. If anything we should be backing popular revolts if they have been vetted, no backing Al Quaida movements, a Taliban, Shah, etc. but actually finding out if the move has long term gains as far as regional stability.We installed the Shah and let him run all over people, then they got a stink in their mouth about it. It was the opposite of taking Saddam out, whom we should've let stay and keep those fanatics inline. After seeing the Greenzone, which was fictional, it still enlightened people about how some dorky bureaucrats, playing big daddy idealist, screwed up. They tore that place apart and let every banana within 1000miles come in and fight.
See, what you do is get the IOC to promise them the Olympics for one of their cities 20 years from now, so they'll kiss your tushy.
I think the biggest mistake in foreign diplomacy has been the U.S. installing "friendlies" to our own interests, it backfires when it goes against the people of a country. If anything we should be backing popular revolts if they have been vetted, no backing Al Quaida movements, a Taliban, Shah, etc. but actually finding out if the move has long term gains as far as regional stability.
I'm not sure myself. If they lost, you bet, if the push was enough to evacuate Tehran, well a lot of the issues in the middle east would possibly evaporate. It would have been a gamble either way, I do concede that.
I think the biggest mistake in foreign diplomacy has been the U.S. installing "friendlies" to our own interests, it backfires when it goes against the people of a country. If anything we should be backing popular revolts if they have been vetted, no backing Al Quaida movements, a Taliban, Shah, etc. but actually finding out if the move has long term gains as far as regional stability.
There definitely wasn't a good option, on that we agree. I can make one argument for even a democracy that isn't pro west and that is that they would have a better chance of diplomacy rather than trying to militarize against the west and the middle east, I think that popular vote would be against supporting policies that would be destructive to the country, such as pissing off superpowers, or highly militarized neighbors.Both of the recognized leaders of the Iranian Green Movement were leaders of the Office for Strengthening Unity (as was Ahmadinejad), which played a central role in the takeover of our embassy in Tehran. As such, the opposition was pro-democracy but was most definitely not pro-west, so there really was no good option -- sit back and hope for the best, involve ourselves and get caught, involve ourselves and make a change that can't be publicly acknowledged and doesn't result in a substantial change in Iran's foreign policy.
That is the million dollar question. It's possible, but the first step would be finding friendlies in the area, the second would be establishing trust, and the third would be acting on that information. Hey, I never said it would be easy.That's a nice idea, but vetted how? I'm pretty sure we lack the human intelligence assets in that part of the world to vet so much as a sandwich.
No, weak leadership would be lashing out at every little bit of bull**** like this puny Iranian boat. You would have us acting like that asshole in the bar who is so insecure that he absolutely must make sure everyone in the building knows hes tough, damnit!
You people would have our country acting like pathetic children. MOM! Jimmy is on MY side of the car! WAAAAAAHH!
Seriously, why do you give a **** about this boat? Are you scared? Because I'm not. Why should our country have any reaction to something so trivial? We have better things to do. Let pissants respond to pissants. We're America. We can squish them like insects if we want to. We know it, they know it. But we don't squish them, because it's not worth the effort to do so.
Worrying about perceived slights is what losers do.
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