atrasicarius
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Valid points you have there, except that an infinite universe isn't accepted because by science we are led to believe that it had a start point 13.7 billion years ago. Also, our universe could not have arisen on "natural principles" because before the universe was created, there weren't any natural principles to begin with. The only way that would tie in today or be proven is if we could create a true vaccum (remove all light, matter, gas etc.) and another universe came into being from within it. Even within a true vaccum I'm not sure that would totally mimic what was before the universe.
Although our universe may have come from another universe/dimension. I am not so closed-minded as to believe we are the only universe/dimension that is possible. But that raises the question of course of where did THAT universe come from? Another thought is, who are we to say what those other universes/dimensions are? Do you honestly believe if we somehow stumbled into another universe or dimension that it would be anything CLOSE to this one? And how do we know those other dimensions aren't heaven and hell? I know that for most people, we view earth as in the middle of heaven and hell, because you "ascend" into heaven and "descend" into hell. But they certainly aren't in this dimension. That would be like implying we could just blast a rocket up to heaven. Whether or not you believe heaven exists or not, that thought is laughable. So even with Occam's razor saying that a multi-dimensional/universe existense is simpler and more acceptable than an infinite creator (although I'm not sure how it is, we have no "scientific" evidence of either) it is still possible our universe did come from another dimension, but that this dimension be the heaven/creator (in some form) that most religions speak of.
It's really a no-brainer
The Rev Kros = "That is one of the main problems with religion" . . . really, especially yours
sawyerloggingon = "Trying to understand the concept of "God" may be an exercise in futility" . . .
well, apart from knowing the Bible and Jesus .. an exercise in futility would be correct
In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways ..
BUT in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son ..
whom he appointed heir of all things .. and through whom he made the universe . . .
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS BEING ..
sustaining all things by his powerful word .. After he had provided purification for sins ..
he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven . . . . more on this issue
Locke and Load = "whether or not God condemns, allows, tolerates, or
even encourages homosexual behavior is hardly for us to decide" ..
no .. we really don't decide .. God has already decided.
It's really a no-brainer
Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones . . . .
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another ..
Men committed indecent acts with other men ..
and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion . . . . more on this issue
here's your sin
The reason I have faith in Christianity are many to begin with, and in many ways still being developed/explored. Are you looking for reasons to believe in religion/faith in general or in Christianity vs. other religions?
Also on the issue of homosexuality (and all sins really)... whether or not God condemns, allows, tolerates, or even encourages homosexual behavior is hardly for us to decide. I believe that when each person's judgement day comes, God will let them know what he thinks of them perfectly fine without that individual being subjected to what we as humans think that God thinks of them. God did not put us on this earth to judge each other, we certainly have no right or responsibility to (as one of my pastors said, in terms of holiness/purity/free of sin or whatever you want to call it, we are ALL closer to Osama Bin Laden then we are to God).
Also, if you could repost your arguments on the origins of the universe or atleast their post number so that I can find them, I would enjoy seeing someone else's views on the matter.
Locke and Load = "The punishment for any sin is death and hell, so who are we to say which sins are "worse"?" .. I never said it was worse ..
you brought the issue up .. I just call it what God calls it . . . sin
For an example .. if you and I visited the Grand Canyon ..
you were walking along the edge and accidently slipped off the edge . . . . 30 seconds later .. WHAM !!!
I thought: "MAN !! that looks cool" . . . therefore .. I actually got 50 feet away from the edge ..
laced up my PF Flyers and started a run as fast as I could .. took a flying leap into the Canyon . . . . 30 seconds later .. WHAM !!!
question .. because I took a flying leap and you slipped off the edge . . . .
am I more dead than you ??
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