Intelligence Officials Warn of Multiple 'Sleeper Cells'.....

[MMC]

A Western Intelligence source tells CNN that the ongoing terror threat appears to involve up to 20 sleeper cells of between 120 to 180 people ready to strike in France, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands. The source said that European Union and Middle East intelligence agencies identified an "imminent threat" to Belgium, possibly also to the Netherlands...The Belgian counterterrorism official said indications of ISIS ordering attacks in Europe mark an apparent significant shift by the terrorist group.

Remember, the chief of Britain's MI5 security service gave a speech last week -- prepared for delivery before the Paris attacks -- warning of mass casualty attacks. It's unclear how many of these fighters and threats are core Al Qaeda, versus 'Khorasan,' versus ISIS, but it's now obvious that alarm bells are sounding throughout the western intelligence community.....snip~

Jihad: Terror Suspects Killed, Arrested in Belgium; Officials Warn of Multiple 'Sleeper Cells' - Guy Benson


This was predicted to many before this news came out.....now it appears it is happening and cannot just be dismissed. Also the US has raised Security to High. Might have to do with some of these people having passports. What say ye?

 

[MMC]

Btw I did get up the Warning that MI5 put out.....and as the article states. The Brits had planned to release the info before the Paris attacks took place. Naturally they called them Militants.


http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...nning-mass-casualty-attacks-against-west.html

Also, it appears that our troops will need to be about covering their six in Afghanistan.


An offshoot of the Middle East's Islamic State insurgency has begun operating on southern Afghanistan, less than three months after British combat troops withdrew from the region. A man identified as Mullah Abdul Rauf was actively recruiting fighters for the groups, flying black flags and, according to some sources, even battling Taliban militants. Local sources said Rauf, a former Guantanamo Bay prisoner, had set up his base in Helmand province and was offering good wages to anyone willing to fight for the Islamic State.

Rauf was released from Gitmo during the Bush administration, and is now setting up ISIS' outpost in Afghanistan, underscoring the terrible jihadist recidivism problem. Will any of these guys end up joining him?.....snip~

 

[joG]

A Western Intelligence source tells CNN that the ongoing terror threat appears to involve up to 20 sleeper cells of between 120 to 180 people ready to strike in France, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands. The source said that European Union and Middle East intelligence agencies identified an "imminent threat" to Belgium, possibly also to the Netherlands...The Belgian counterterrorism official said indications of ISIS ordering attacks in Europe mark an apparent significant shift by the terrorist group.

Remember, the chief of Britain's MI5 security service gave a speech last week -- prepared for delivery before the Paris attacks -- warning of mass casualty attacks. It's unclear how many of these fighters and threats are core Al Qaeda, versus 'Khorasan,' versus ISIS, but it's now obvious that alarm bells are sounding throughout the western intelligence community.....snip~

Jihad: Terror Suspects Killed, Arrested in Belgium; Officials Warn of Multiple 'Sleeper Cells' - Guy Benson


This was predicted to many before this news came out.....now it appears it is happening and cannot just be dismissed. Also the US has raised Security to High. Might have to do with some of these people having passports. What say ye?

What is rather more disturbing than the terrorist attacks seems to me the number of arrests in the last few days since Paris. The suspicions must predate the Paris attack and the police action has the feeling of having been long planned and choreographed in expectation of the hit. Why did they wait? One could almost think the governments wanted to wait till the population saw the real danger to then demonstrate efficiency to regain lost legitimacy.

 

[MMC]

What is rather more disturbing than the terrorist attacks seems to me the number of arrests in the last few days since Paris. The suspicions must predate the Paris attack and the police action has the feeling of having been long planned and choreographed in expectation of the hit. Why did they wait? One could almost think the governments wanted to wait till the population saw the real danger to then demonstrate efficiency to regain lost legitimacy.

Heya Jog. :2wave: Yeah I heard about the Two in Germany this morning. But really more disturbing is the 20 sleeper cells. The Brits were calling it with their Intel people. Plus we have known for months that AQAP, AQ/Khorason and Al nusra were working together inside Syria.

If you recall, BO said they bombed Khorason. Who none had heard of.....that they were about to do a hit on us or someone in Europe. Also all the west knew they had some bomb maker come in from Yemen and from AQAP.

 

[DaveFagan]

What is rather more disturbing than the terrorist attacks seems to me the number of arrests in the last few days since Paris. The suspicions must predate the Paris attack and the police action has the feeling of having been long planned and choreographed in expectation of the hit. Why did they wait? One could almost think the governments wanted to wait till the population saw the real danger to then demonstrate efficiency to regain lost legitimacy.

It's like when 9/11 happened and the rotten, evil, loathesome Patriot Act was
already written and waiting in the wings to initiate our Police State environment
here in the USA. Now they're doing the same thing in France, perhaps the entire
EU. Meanwhilethe CIA will train 400 "moderate Islamists" and that would be
more Muslims, so actually they must really be alright guys after all. Otherwise,
they couldn't be risking arming Muslim radicals, but that is what they appear to
be doing. Who do you trust?

 

[MMC]

Shift in strategy for ISIS?.....

The official said there is also significant concern about Khorasan attack plotting against Europe. U.S. officials previously told CNN that French al Qaeda operative and bomb-maker David Drugeon was suspected to be talent-spotting European jihadis in Syria for operations in Europe. Drugeon was injured in a drone strike in November but is believed to be still alive.

Last week, Andrew Parker, the head of Britain's security service MI5, warned, "A group of core al Qaeda terrorists in Syria is planning mass casualty attacks against the West," an apparent reference to the Khorasan group.

Several returning ISIS fighters have already been implicated in attack plans in Europe. In February, police in Cannes broke up an alleged plot to bomb targets in France by Ibrahim Boudina, a French-Algerian extremist who allegedly had just returned from fighting with ISIS in Syria. Police said they found almost a kilogram of the high explosive TATP inside soda cans in his family's Cannes apartment building. Screws and nails were attached to one with sticky tape as shrapnel, according to sources briefed on the investigation. Boudina has denied the allegations against him.....snip~

Belgian operation thwarted 'major terrorist attacks,' kills 2 suspects - CNN.com


Like I mentioned earlier.....we had a lot of this material up in the War on Terror Forum.

 

[gunner]

A Western Intelligence source tells CNN that the ongoing terror threat appears to involve up to 20 sleeper cells of between 120 to 180 people ready to strike in France, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands. The source said that European Union and Middle East intelligence agencies identified an "imminent threat" to Belgium, possibly also to the Netherlands...The Belgian counterterrorism official said indications of ISIS ordering attacks in Europe mark an apparent significant shift by the terrorist group.

Remember, the chief of Britain's MI5 security service gave a speech last week -- prepared for delivery before the Paris attacks -- warning of mass casualty attacks. It's unclear how many of these fighters and threats are core Al Qaeda, versus 'Khorasan,' versus ISIS, but it's now obvious that alarm bells are sounding throughout the western intelligence community.....snip~

Jihad: Terror Suspects Killed, Arrested in Belgium; Officials Warn of Multiple 'Sleeper Cells' - Guy Benson


This was predicted to many before this news came out.....now it appears it is happening and cannot just be dismissed. Also the US has raised Security to High. Might have to do with some of these people having passports. What say ye?

I think we have about 20+ arrests between France and Belgium, thus far. What has not surprised those with a miniscule of intelligence, is we have the start of 'returning Jihadist' taking centre stage, like predicted. It pains me, that like others, I spent page after page in the European forum saying it was when, and not if. THE usual suspects rebuttal was: 'you exaggerate numbers' or 'the security services are scaremongering' etc. Worryingly, they still seem deluded.

Paul

 

[MMC]

I think we have about 20+ arrests between France and Belgium, thus far. What has not surprised those with a miniscule of intelligence, is we have the start of 'returning Jihadist' taking centre stage, like predicted. It pains me, that like others, I spent page after page in the European forum saying it was when, and not if. THE usual suspects rebuttal was: 'you exaggerate numbers' or 'the security services are scaremongering' etc. Worryingly, they still seem deluded.

Paul

The Brits met with BO today.....this was Priority #1.

 

[gunner]

The Brits met with BO today.....this was Priority #1.

That, and bolstering his re-election credentials

Paul

 

[MMC]

That, and bolstering his re-election credentials

Paul

Heya Gunner. :2wave: Actually I found out what was the other priority was. Cameron was lobbying the US Senate to not pass sanctions on Iran. Somehow BO must have done finagglin to get Cameron to come and speak for him. Since he knows the Repubs and Demos are about to tank his Iran deal.

Has there been anything else on these Sleeper Cells?



PM Cameron Confirms Lobbying U.S. Senate Against Iran Sanctions.....

British Prime Minister David Cameron confirmed Friday that he is calling U.S. Senators to lobby against passing new sanctions again the regime in Iran.

"To answer you very directly," Cameron said at a joint press conference with President Obama at the White House, "yes I have contacted a couple of Senators as British Prime Minster not to tell the American Senate what it should or shouldn't do, that wouldn't be right. But simply to make the point as a country that stands alongside America in these vital negotiations that it is the opinion of the United Kingdom that further sanctions or further threat of sanctions at this point won't actually help to bring the talks to a successful conclusion."....snip~

PM Cameron Confirms Lobbying U.S. Senate Against Iran Sanctions - Conn Carroll

 

[Infinite Chaos]

-- It pains me, that like others, I spent page after page in the European forum saying it was when, and not if. THE usual suspects rebuttal was: 'you exaggerate numbers' or 'the security services are scaremongering' etc. Worryingly, they still seem deluded.

Paul

Paul... Paul... Paul... how could you forget the other claim they were off to visit family and friends?

What worries me is that the UK's 400,000 Jews are starting to feel unsafe here and looking to emigrate to Israel.

We may eventually lose a highly valued and productive ethnic minority to be replaced by a low value, hard to integrate minority which will give us security concerns for decades to come.

The increased policing in Jewish neighbourhoods does not seem to be the result of any specific intelligence. But Britain's most senior counter-terrorism officer makes it clear that the Paris attack and anti-Jewish rhetoric coming from extremists across the world were enough to cause concern.

Jewish community leaders made their views clear at separate meetings with the prime minister and the security minister on Tuesday.

So for the foreseeable future there will be more visible policing in Jewish neighbourhoods of cities such as London and Manchester.

Senior police officers are also worried about the threat to their own staff. At least two alleged British plots last autumn apparently had police officers as potential victims. Link

If it comes to the crunch, I'm voting for the 400,000 to stay and the 2.7 million to be escorted out.

 

[Serenity]

Paul... Paul... Paul... how could you forget the other claim they were off to visit family and friends?

What worries me is that the UK's 400,000 Jews are starting to feel unsafe here and looking to emigrate to Israel.

We may eventually lose a highly valued and productive ethnic minority to be replaced by a low value, hard to integrate minority which will give us security concerns for decades to come.



If it comes to the crunch, I'm voting for the 400,000 to stay and the 2.7 million to be escorted out.

You just described the entire UK Muslim population as "low value", would support deporting every Muslim and Gunner "liked" your post?

How can you not understand how repulsive, hateful and crazy those views are.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

You just described the entire UK Muslim population as "low value", would support deporting every Muslim and Gunner "liked" your post?

How can you not understand how repulsive, hateful and crazy those views are.

Because one population is assimilating, and another isn't. I will say that Muslim polls in UK aren't as bad as say, Middle East, but we're still talking about a population that has a cancer growing within it. When's the last time I had to worry about a Jewish man blowing up something or shooting up a place? The majority aren't the problem, but when clearly there isn't self-policing going on, what else is there to do? Keep in mind I'd never make this recommendation in the US, as here they are assimilating much better into US Culture. Europe is just in a different sort of trouble right now.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

You just described the entire UK Muslim population as "low value", would support deporting every Muslim and Gunner "liked" your post?

How can you not understand how repulsive, hateful and crazy those views are.

You could simply compare the historical input and contribution of one population vs another. We also do not have to police the muslim community to protect it from jewish terrorists or bombers, we don't have jewish terrorists threatening to destroy newspapers or calling for the beheading of anyone whose views and ideology the jewish population do not agree with.

Alternately, you could simply point out the contribution that comparatively large muslim population is making to European life now?

I've done my defending Serenity but apart from the Lee Rigby beheading, the very simple statistic posted by Rainman a while ago that more muslims have gone to Syria and Iraq vs joined our military here struck home like nothing else posted. 60,000 jews served in the UK military during WW2 and there are still many jews in the British military now.

One population has overwhelmingly assimilated and contributed to the nation it joined or immigrated to. You are invited to demonstrate the same for the UK or other European muslim community.

 

[Serenity]

You could simply compare the historical input and contribution of one population vs another. We also do not have to police the muslim community to protect it from jewish terrorists or bombers, we don't have jewish terrorists threatening to destroy newspapers or calling for the beheading of anyone whose views and ideology the jewish population do not agree with.

Alternately, you could simply point out the contribution that comparatively large muslim population is making to European life now?

I've done my defending Serenity but apart from the Lee Rigby beheading, the very simple statistic posted by Rainman a while ago that more muslims have gone to Syria and Iraq vs joined our military here struck home like nothing else posted. 60,000 jews served in the UK military during WW2 and there are still many jews in the British military now.

One population has overwhelmingly assimilated and contributed to the nation it joined or immigrated to. You are invited to demonstrate the same for the UK or other European muslim community.

Your views are repulsive. Anyone who believes it's ok to deport every Muslim and describes them all as "low value" isn't someone that i can imagine having a reasonable conversation with.

Good day.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Your views are repulsive. Anyone who believes it's ok to deport every Muslim and describes them all as "low value" isn't someone that i can imagine having a reasonable conversation with.

Good day.

More British Muslims fight in Syria than in UK Armed Forces - Telegraph

It's not some American hate site, it's not some private funded institute but an ordinary British newspaper.

Loyalties are important Serenity. If you wish to leave or not discuss then that is your prerogative.

 

[Serenity]

More British Muslims fight in Syria than in UK Armed Forces - Telegraph

It's not some American hate site, it's not some private funded institute but an ordinary British newspaper.

Loyalties are important Serenity. If you wish to leave or not discuss then that is your prerogative.

Loyalties combined with common decency and humanity are important. Advocating for the forced deportion of every Muslim in the UK is repulsive. Describing every Muslim as low value is equally repulsive.

There is nothing further to discuss with someone that holds your views on this particular issue. Imo those views are as bat **** crazy as the views extremists hold that thinks it might be ok to target me because they don't like something my Government or another Australian has done. That is beyond insane and when you sink to those levels you have almost become one of them in respect to hate filled views and they have won.

 

[gunner]

Loyalties combined with common decency and humanity are important. Advocating for the forced deportion of every Muslim in the UK is repulsive. Describing every Muslim as low value is equally repulsive.

There is nothing further to discuss with someone that holds your views on this particular issue. Imo those views are as bat **** crazy as the views extremists hold that thinks it might be ok to target me because they don't like something my Government or another Australian has done. That is beyond insane and when you sink to those levels you have almost become one of them in respect to hate filled views and they have won.

What strikes me, is you haven't even tried to address IC's point. Rather than talking emotionally, address the point of why Muslims show a lack of assimilation?

Paul

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Loyalties combined with common decency and humanity are important. Advocating for the forced deportion of every Muslim in the UK is repulsive. Describing every Muslim as low value is equally repulsive.

There is nothing further to discuss with someone that holds your views on this particular issue. Imo those views are as bat **** crazy as the views extremists hold that thinks it might be ok to target me because they don't like something my Government or another Australian has done. That is beyond insane and when you sink to those levels you have almost become one of them in respect to hate filled views and they have won.

You haven't addressed what I pointed out in any way shape or form beyond an attack on me. If you wish to debate or destroy what I said, please feel free: it is a debate site and I would rather debate than swap insults.

 

[Serenity]

What strikes me, is you haven't even tried to address IC's point. Rather than talking emotionally, address the point of why Muslims show a lack of assimilation?

Paul

I've addressed his point. It's obscene.

You haven't addressed what I pointed out in any way shape or form beyond an attack on me. If you wish to debate or destroy what I said, please feel free: it is a debate site and I would rather debate than swap insults.

I commented on your disgusting VIEWS.

Let me make it clear to both of you. The view that you both hold (forced deportation of every Muslim in the UK and that every Muslim is "low value") is beyond repulsive in my opinion. There is nothing to debate on the issue because there is nothing you can say that would make me AGREE with your vile thoughts.

You're entitled to share those thoughts just i am i entitled to state how repulsive i find them.

 

[gunner]

I've addressed his point. It's obscene.



I commented on your disgusting VIEWS.

Let me make it clear to both of you. The view that you both hold (forced deportation of every Muslim in the UK and that every Muslim is "low value") is beyond repulsive in my opinion. There is nothing to debate on the issue because there is nothing you can say that would make me AGREE with your vile thoughts.

You're entitled to share those thoughts just i am i entitled to state how repulsive i find them.

I think IC's point, the substantive one that is, is about assimilation. One set, if you will, have shown loyalty to a country, one less so. It is here where you need to demonstrate that it is not so. I think in these circumstances of fanaticism coming from within the Muslim community, and not from any other community, it is sensible to question their value, comparatively speaking. I, do not think for one minute, the answer is forced expulsion (I don't think IC truly believes that either ) but again, it is an issue of being part of a country or not.

Do you not see a problem in thousands of Muslims going off fighting in Syria, then returning to carry out Jihad on their country of residence?

Paul

 

[Serenity]

I, do not think for one minute, the answer is forced expulsion (I don't think IC truly believes that either ).

IC said it, you liked it. Own it.

Do you not see a problem in thousands of Muslims going off fighting in Syria, then returning to carry out Jihad on their country of residence?

Paul

Of course there is something VERY wrong with that. What a stupid question. ANY reasonable person should have a problem with their actions.

Their actions do not mean i will support the forced deportation of all (ALL, GET IT???) UK 2.7 million muslims or believe them to be "low value" either.

 

[gunner]

IC said it, you liked it. Own it.


Of course there is something VERY wrong with that. What a stupid question. ANY reasonable person should have a problem with their actions.

Their actions do not mean i will support the forced deportation of all (ALL, GET IT???) UK 2.7 million muslims or believe them to be "low value" either.

I'm not worried if they stay, or go, to be honest. I still think you are missing the point over assimilation. Then what do you propose to do, in addressing the issue? I mean, you're very good at condemning the perpetrators (when pushed on the issue ) but have NO alternative narrative.

Edited to add, have you addressed anything in the OP?
Paul

 

[X Factor]

Alternately, you could simply point out the contribution that comparatively large muslim population is making to European life now?

I'd be interested in an answer to this by anyone simply out of curiosity.


Oh, and hey IC, how ya been?

 

[PoS]

I've addressed his point. It's obscene.



I commented on your disgusting VIEWS.

Let me make it clear to both of you. The view that you both hold (forced deportation of every Muslim in the UK and that every Muslim is "low value") is beyond repulsive in my opinion. There is nothing to debate on the issue because there is nothing you can say that would make me AGREE with your vile thoughts.

You're entitled to share those thoughts just i am i entitled to state how repulsive i find them.

Totally agree. Forced deportations based on an entire religion and seeing people in this thread in support of it simply means Europeans havent learned a thing. Its vile and they are no better than the extremists who embrace terror.