Infant Could Be Delivered and Then ‘Physicians and the Mother’ Could Decide If It Lives

southwest88 · Feb 2, 2019

& so it goes ...

RetiredUSN said:
Eagle eggs have more protections than a unborn human baby.

Think about it.

Than a fetus, you mean? But no, eagles - especially the American bald eagle - are endangered species.

Pregnant women have a whole series of healthcare networks - hospitals, clinics, the freestanding clinics specializing in pregnancy, in birth control, Women Infants Children, Visiting Nurse nets, La Leche League, Food Stamps, TANF (these last two are means-tested), state assistance & referral to local state-licensed childcare, parenting & childcare classes for new parents (through United Way, hospitals), doctors in private practice, Medicare, Medicaid, Section 8 housing (if the women meet guidelines), & so on. Public high schools often have programs for teen mothers, to include childcare during hours, & the opportunity for the teens to finish their high school & graduate.

The total outlays, personnel costs & program costs for the programs aimed @ helping pregnant women & mothers with babies has to be orders of magnitude greater than the expenditures to protect eagles in the US. Although, of course, it doesn't make for a snazzy headline.

marke · Feb 2, 2019

Grokmaster said:
So now in soulsick, depraved , Leftworld, a BORN BABY is still "A FETUS", if his or her mother decides it would be too inconvenient to allow him or her to LIVE, AFTER BEING DELIVERED.

Stunning. BABY SLAUGHTER: Our friends on the LEFT SIDE of the AISLE'S VERSION OF "MAGA".
Sickening. INFURIATING.
Northam on Abortion Bill: Infant Could Be Delivered and Then ‘Physicians and the Mother’ Could Decide If It Lives

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D.) commented Wednesday about a controversial 40-week abortion bill and in so doing said the law allows an abortion to take place after the infant's birth.

"If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother," Northam said, alluding to the physician and mother discussing whether the born infant should live or die.

A Democratic lawmaker in the Virginia House of Delegates proposed a bill Tuesday that would allow abortions through the end of the third trimester of pregnancy. The video of Delegate Kathy Tran presenting her bill led to an exchange where she admitted that her bill would allow for a mother to abort her child minutes before giving birth.
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Northam, the pointy eared red guy in white racist robes with the sword of innocent infanticide bloodshed in his wicked hands.

Logician Man · Feb 2, 2019

marke said:
Northam, the pointy eared red guy in white racist robes with the sword of innocent infanticide bloodshed in his wicked hands.

define 'wicked hands"

AGENT J · Feb 3, 2019

Re: Crime Stoppers

veritas1 said:
Abusing or Neglecting Animals
It’s a misdemeanor in New York to mistreat a domestic or wild animal in various ways, including:

torturing
overworking
beating cruelly
injuring, maiming, mutilating, or killing without justification; or
failing to provide necessary food or drink.

Anybody seeing the irony here? Liberals care more about animals than human beings. Yet, they'll blabber on about "compassion" until you throw up. Very sad.

LMAO nope because there is no irony . . .

1.) what does this have to do with liberals since millions of conservatives are prochoice?
2.) nothing you boded applies to abortion or this change . . nothing is the same

the amount of blatant dishonesty in your post is staggering

marke · Feb 3, 2019

Logician Man said:
define 'wicked hands"

Hands that shed innocent blood which God will someday bring up in the judgment.

Logician Man · Feb 3, 2019

marke said:
Hands that shed innocent blood which God will someday bring up in the judgment.

not if they repent according to biblical scripture...Correct, marke ? Do you understand what biblical scripture actually teaches about redemption and salvation, or do you just make up your own stuff as you go along based on politics and political affiliation ?

ataraxia · Feb 3, 2019

Re: Crime Stoppers

veritas1 said:
Abusing or Neglecting Animals
It’s a misdemeanor in New York to mistreat a domestic or wild animal in various ways, including:

torturing
overworking
beating cruelly
injuring, maiming, mutilating, or killing without justification; or
failing to provide necessary food or drink.

Anybody seeing the irony here? Liberals care more about animals than human beings. Yet, they'll blabber on about "compassion" until you throw up. Very sad.

So the liberal postion on abortion is justification for conservatives to lack compassion on any other issue?

marke · Feb 3, 2019

Logician Man said:
not if they repent according to biblical scripture...Correct, marke ? Do you understand what biblical scripture actually teaches about redemption and salvation, or do you just make up your own stuff as you go along based on politics and political affiliation ?

John the Baptist warned those who came to be baptized that God does not allow fake repentance for salvation. John Baptist told them to go back and come again with fruits meet for repentance.

Logician Man · Feb 3, 2019

marke said:
John the Baptist warned those who came to be baptized that God does not allow fake repentance for salvation. John Baptist told them to go back and come again with fruits meet for repentance.

You just proved my point.

Port & Starboard · Feb 3, 2019

Re: & so it goes ...

southwest88 said:
Than a fetus, you mean? But no, eagles - especially the American bald eagle - are endangered species.

Pregnant women have a whole series of healthcare networks - hospitals, clinics, the freestanding clinics specializing in pregnancy, in birth control, Women Infants Children, Visiting Nurse nets, La Leche League, Food Stamps, TANF (these last two are means-tested), state assistance & referral to local state-licensed childcare, parenting & childcare classes for new parents (through United Way, hospitals), doctors in private practice, Medicare, Medicaid, Section 8 housing (if the women meet guidelines), & so on. Public high schools often have programs for teen mothers, to include childcare during hours, & the opportunity for the teens to finish their high school & graduate.

The total outlays, personnel costs & program costs for the programs aimed @ helping pregnant women & mothers with babies has to be orders of magnitude greater than the expenditures to protect eagles in the US. Although, of course, it doesn't make for a snazzy headline.

If we leave it to progressives and liberals, human babies will soon need to be a protected species.

Been to Virginia lately?

AlphaOmega · Feb 3, 2019

Deuce said:
I mirrored your post, and you're whining about being emotional? Uh, ok buddy!

Whatever gives you emotional victory buddy. I only care what I think and right now I think Joe Biden's..."clean" african american comment went unanswered by you. Thats emotions blocking the factual response which is...he is the factual racist but continue on blathering about Trump being a racist because msleftbc told you to say it.

AlphaOmega · Feb 3, 2019

Re: The Nazis were a culminating evil

southwest88 said:
If you're going to bandy Hitler's name about, you should probably read up on the history of the Holocaust. The work- & deathcamps were systematic in their exploitation of prisoners until these died of overwork, disease, exposure, poor food, etc. The details are horrific - the Nazis took human hair, dental filings, the murdered's clothing, jewelry, luggage - anything they had on them that was of value. & it was Jews, homosexuals, Roma, intellectuals, priests, anyone who disagreed with Hitler, POWs, anyone & everyone who needed to be purged. Oh, & the Holocaust didn't really get going until Hitler sterilized &/or executed physical & mental defectives in Germany - of whatever ethnic background (& then in the greater Reich, I believe).

Thanks for learning history. Your post supports mine perfectly.

Logician Man · Feb 3, 2019

AlphaOmega said:
Whatever gives you emotional victory buddy. I only care what I think and right now I think Joe Biden's..."clean" african american comment went unanswered by you. Thats emotions blocking the factual response which is...he is the factual racist but continue on blathering about Trump being a racist because msleftbc told you to say it.

What do you think about Trump being sued for discriminating against blacks for the lust of money, losing that lawsuit, and having to pay those blacks he sold out for sheer self-serving greed ?

AlphaOmega · Feb 3, 2019

Logician Man said:
What do you think about Trump being sued for discriminating against blacks for the lust of money, losing that lawsuit, and having to pay those blacks he sold out for sheer self-serving greed ?

Trump lost that 1973 case or was it settled?

Logician Man · Feb 3, 2019

AlphaOmega said:
Trump lost that 1973 case or was it settled?

Why would Trump settle and give one penny of his precious money to anyone if he wasn't guilty of the discrimination charges ? Trump is known as a fighter who loves to go to court even if/when he is guilty.

AlphaOmega · Feb 3, 2019

Logician Man said:
Why would Trump settle and give one penny of his precious money to anyone if he wasn't guilty of the discrimination charges ? Trump is known as a fighter who loves to go to court even if/when he is guilty.

it was a yes or no

marke · Feb 3, 2019

Logician Man said:
What do you think about Trump being sued for discriminating against blacks for the lust of money, losing that lawsuit, and having to pay those blacks he sold out for sheer self-serving greed ?

Americans who suffered under brutal Iranian terrorists would have been able to collect the Iranian money the US Supreme Court awarded them if Obama had not stolen it and given it to the bomb making enemies of the US in Iran just before he was ejected from the WH. He also tried to send a planeload of cash to Israel's enemies in Palestine shortly afterward but got caught with his hands in the American tax funds cookie jar where they did not belong.

southwest88 · Feb 3, 2019

Of eagles & fetuses

RetiredUSN said:
If we leave it to progressives and liberals, human babies will soon need to be a protected species [like eagles].

Been to Virginia lately?

Humanity in general is not in any danger of disappearing from the Earth. & there are criteria for placing species on the endangered status - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endangered_species for details, if you're interested.

Our numbers increase every day, every year, as far as I know. Yes, there are abortions for various reasons. I would prefer birth control by non-surgical means - because it's safer for the woman, less expensive in terms of hospital & doctor & nurse resources, & doesn't require the facilities & personnel that are scarce in rural areas of the Dakotas, for instance.

No, I've visited Virginia. But of course, the proposed bill there on late third-trimester abortions for the health/life of the woman was tabled. It didn't pass, & I don't know that it ever will.

southwest88 · Feb 3, 2019

Re: The Nazis were a culminating evil

Originally Posted by southwest88
If you're going to bandy Hitler's name about, you should probably read up on the history of the Holocaust. The work- & deathcamps were systematic in their exploitation of prisoners until these died of overwork, disease, exposure, poor food, etc. The details are horrific - the Nazis took human hair, dental filings, the murdered's clothing, jewelry, luggage - anything they had on them that was of value. & it was Jews, homosexuals, Roma, intellectuals, priests, anyone who disagreed with Hitler, POWs, anyone & everyone who needed to be purged. Oh, & the Holocaust didn't really get going until Hitler sterilized &/or executed physical & mental defectives in Germany - of whatever ethnic background (& then in the greater Reich, I believe).

AlphaOmega said:
Thanks for learning history. Your post supports mine perfectly.

No, it doesn't. The cataclysm that was WWII accelerated technology, especially related to the military, & delayed the progress of civilization. In some ways, we're (the World) still recovering from that bloodletting.

Deuce · Feb 3, 2019

Re: Crime Stoppers

veritas1 said:
Abusing or Neglecting Animals
It’s a misdemeanor in New York to mistreat a domestic or wild animal in various ways, including:

torturing
overworking
beating cruelly
injuring, maiming, mutilating, or killing without justification; or
failing to provide necessary food or drink.

Anybody seeing the irony here? Liberals care more about animals than human beings. Yet, they'll blabber on about "compassion" until you throw up. Very sad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut_(food)

You think this is a misdemeanor?

Port & Starboard · Feb 3, 2019

Re: Of eagles & fetuses

southwest88 said:
Humanity in general is not in any danger of disappearing from the Earth. & there are criteria for placing species on the endangered status - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endangered_species for details, if you're interested.

Our numbers increase every day, every year, as far as I know. Yes, there are abortions for various reasons. I would prefer birth control by non-surgical means - because it's safer for the woman, less expensive in terms of hospital & doctor & nurse resources, & doesn't require the facilities & personnel that are scarce in rural areas of the Dakotas, for instance.

No, I've visited Virginia. But of course, the proposed bill there on late third-trimester abortions for the health/life of the woman was tabled. It didn't pass, & I don't know that it ever will.

The fact that it was even proposed means that the feelers are already out there.

Liberals will never ever stop nipping away.

AlphaOmega · Feb 3, 2019

Re: The Nazis were a culminating evil

southwest88 said:
Originally Posted by southwest88
If you're going to bandy Hitler's name about, you should probably read up on the history of the Holocaust. The work- & deathcamps were systematic in their exploitation of prisoners until these died of overwork, disease, exposure, poor food, etc. The details are horrific - the Nazis took human hair, dental filings, the murdered's clothing, jewelry, luggage - anything they had on them that was of value. & it was Jews, homosexuals, Roma, intellectuals, priests, anyone who disagreed with Hitler, POWs, anyone & everyone who needed to be purged. Oh, & the Holocaust didn't really get going until Hitler sterilized &/or executed physical & mental defectives in Germany - of whatever ethnic background (& then in the greater Reich, I believe).

No, it doesn't. The cataclysm that was WWII accelerated technology, especially related to the military, & delayed the progress of civilization. In some ways, we're (the World) still recovering from that bloodletting.

Yes it does even if you say it doesnt 20 more times.

Hicup · Feb 4, 2019

Idiometer said:
"Medically unviable abortions" are what we're talking about.

Roe v Wade is established constitutional law. Deal with it. When you can get pregnant, when you've carried a life inside you for upwards of 8 months, a life you treasure and want, only to discover that the child is severly defective and likely will not live long, and that life will have no quality, then your opinion will have merit.

Really now, well if that's all we're talking about, then explain to me why ANY state Legislature felt the need to change the already existing laws for late term abortions, even the one's right up until birth when medical professionals (Not abortion doctors) and parents agree to end the pregnancy. You DO realize that this has been legal for over 30 years, right? So.. now stay with me here, if these laws already protect the mother, then why the need to remove the limitations on viability? I know you know the answer, but let's see if I'm dealing with an honest liberal instead of a robot, shall we?

Tim-

Idiometer · Feb 4, 2019

Hicup said:
Really now, well if that's all we're talking about, then explain to me why ANY state Legislature felt the need to change the already existing laws for late term abortions, even the one's right up until birth when medical professionals (Not abortion doctors) and parents agree to end the pregnancy. You DO realize that this has been legal for over 30 years, right? So.. now stay with me here, if these laws already protect the mother, then why the need to remove the limitations on viability? I know you know the answer, but let's see if I'm dealing with an honest liberal instead of a robot, shall we?

Tim-

Virginia is one of many states who passed boilerplate legislation created by an outfit called ALEC (google that for more info) that placed extra restrictions on women seeking legal abortions. Many of these new restrictive policies have been challenged, some all the way to the Supreme Court. If I understand it correctly, the state legislation that is the subject of this thread was in opposition to one of those restrictive policies.

Grokmaster · Feb 4, 2019

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