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In some places in the middle east they behead homosexuals...and this gang wants to give them jobs.
So basically, anyone can start a religion with any set of rules, and those would be legit religious values?
Just because someone runs a pizza shop doesn't mean their catering business doesn't offer other selections. Libs make the lamest arguments.
Combat discrimination, with discrimination! :roll:
Wrong. It's not an endorsement. Never has been.
A business selling a product it stocks to a customer has never been considered an endorsement of what the customer does with the product after it is purchased.
You were the one who brought up irrelevant schools.
Did I stutter?
Your link talks about the newlyweds cutting the cake and feeding it to each other. I must have missed the part where the talk about catering.
And the baker doesn't cut it and feed it to the newlyweds. And it's a cake, not a pizza.
You've gone from pizza, to catering, to caterers, to caterers sometimes supply cakes to "that means the pizza is religiously significant"
Do you really believe this somehow means catering a pizza makes it a religious practice?
You and I both know it would never, ever happen. Christians are the enemy here. Christians must realize that these rights have been established whether they approve or not, and they must honor them. There has been no foul here, but the mere mention of the fact that some hold beliefs which transcend secular society's norms and laws troubles the militant gay community greatly. It's not possible to force endorsement.
Screw them. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.
They don't cater at all and they didn't even say the words "cater" or "catering". She said " provide" pizza to a gay couple coming into the shop for their marriage/wedding. In other words, if a gay guy or lesbian came in to the pizzeria and ordered 20 pizzas from them, and the owners asked them, "having a party?". Guy/gal answers "yes I just got married back in the state my <husband/wife> is from and we wanted to celebrate our marriage here with our friends and family here", they would be refused service. Because that is very similar to what happened in the Colorado bakery case. (Now in this particular town, vying some very recent changes, the couple would almost certainly be lesbian in the case above since their demographics have them as having 0% gay men and only 0.7% or 0.07% gay women (maybe 14 or 2 lesbians).)
They can have any personal beliefs they want but wrapping it in religion is what is wrong. No one is asking someone to create a cake for a gay wedding and sign off on the marriage certificate. This is about commerce and the only versus in the bible that deal with commerce are about being fair in business to the people you trade with and your workers. There are a ton of versus regarding trading with people that you may not agree with. There's no verse that says "You can not trade cloth that will be used to worship an idol" but plenty of the Jews trading with other groups.
Greetings, Sangha. :2wave:
I never felt particularly religious while eating a pizza! I must have missed a step somewhere along the way... I'll work on that! :mrgreen:
It is about commerce to YOU. Other people obviously feel otherwise. And who are you to tell people what they believe?
So we should have a different set of laws for each individual person based on what exactly they believe in? That's total chaos. There is no infringement on religion for someone selling something being used in a gay wedding. It's not just bad public policy it's bad theology.
Actually yes, they did say they wouldn't cater to a gay wedding as reported by the reporter that interviewed them.
I watched the interview. That is not the wording the girl used.
And where in Jesus' teachings has he given you or anyone the right to judge the morality of others?
If you are an average person, you will tell a minimum of three lies a day. If you are a normal person you will look at a women covetously st least twice a day and think about sex about three times an hour.
Is that sinning no more?
I think we, as Christians need to remember Jesus hung out with the sinners and made fools of the self righteous, those who could not throw the first stone.
No where have I seen anything where he says we are the world's morality police, in fact, the opposite.
Don't need a different set of laws for each individual. Just don't force business owners to provide service that they do not wish to provide. Simple as that.
If you believe I'm the devil, you've got bigger issues than pizza at gay weddings.
You watched only part of an interview. The reporter went on to say that they would not cater to gay weddings.
Listen to what the reporter says at 0:59.
They don't have to. If they provide a service though they have to provide it to everyone. If you don't want to serve gay weddings don't provide services to wedding.
If someone decides they don't want to serve portions of the public does the public have the right to vote them out of that area...zoned to provide commerce for the public?
Christians are always the enemy, Jesus has told us so many times.
I wonder if any Muslim owned establishments are serving gay and lesbian couples? Sikhs?
You will never see a protest there.
In some places in the middle east they behead homosexuals...and this gang wants to give them jobs.
Which would be the reporter changing the wording of her response. The news reporter is putting words in the woman's mouth. And there are different ways to "cater" a wedding, including providing food in the way I described, simply picking up enough food for the people attending an event.
Are you saying that you honestly believe that the pizzeria wasn't talking about a refusal of a scenario I described?
In other words people are required to give up their personal beliefs and everyone must think alike in order to own a business. Thanks but no thanks. Living in such a society would be extremely boring and extremely restrictive.
No, the public never has a right to violate individual Rights.
Perhaps to send a clear message to the bitter angry hate filled intolerant gaystapo that they are tired of their bull****. Sort of like the Chik-Fil-A response.
Come now Polgara, you know very well that it isn't about the pizza but about the service and endorsement beliefs.
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