Incredible Statement by 6 Year Old Shooter

[Chillfolks]

yes, i read that soon after the incident
seemed a weird obligation imposed on a parent/guardian ... especially a single parent
apparently, she agreed to it as she was present on the days prior to the shooting
but still question how she was legally compelled to do so

in my wife's last school, that would have required 250 teachers to spend one on one time with the wayward students ... of course their parents/guardians recognized they could not be obligated to attend school with their children
color me dubious about the budget allowing for such extensive one teacher per child expectations

again, continued behavioral issues were the expectation, not the exception at that previously referenced school. to expect one teacher for each of those 250 problem kids would have been newsworthy; which is why i continue to contest the thought which went behind your suggestion(s) that such one on one teaching is doable

after reading your samples, i will opt not to waste any money ... especially since i have already wasted considerable keystrokes and time

Where are you pulling the 250 number from and what criteria do you have for that number,

The 1 on 1 is the last stop before being kicked out, are you assuming it’s something other than a last resort

 

[RF667799]

they have incurred an opportunity cost
which defies the assertion that they have given up nothing

You said they abandon the right.

Then you say they retain the right.

Now you're just trying to untangle that.

 

[Geoist]

From the OP: She pleaded guilty on June 12 to illegally obtaining and possessing a firearm and making a false statement on a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives form to purchase the firearm. Taylor will face a maximum penalty of 25 years in prison when she is sentenced in October.

From this, it looks like- but I don't know for sure- that the misdemeanor charge of leaving a loaded firearm accessible to a child was dropped. And that the plea is already in place and she's just waiting sentence. Dropping the misdemeanor could have been because it wasn't viewed as a strong case. Speculation, of course.

It's possible that it was dropped. I'd imagine it would be difficult to prove in court without a confession.

 

[justabubba]

Where are you pulling the 250 number from and what criteria do you have for that number,

The 1 on 1 is the last stop before being kicked out, are you assuming it’s something other than a last resort

250 was half the school
the students who where chronically uncontrollable

and your threat of kicking them out is amusing ... but illustrates how little you know about the current state of opublic schools in neighborhoods of chronic poverty
in this school, the teachers were not even allowed to suspend the students
the data showed black students were being suspended at a proportion far exceeding their numbers. white suspensions were trending in the opposite direction. thus, the school system's solution was to refuse to suspend black students
so, being unable to expell or suspend them, the teachers had to babysit them ... while trying to simultaneously teach the other half of the student population which was trying to get an education

for that 250, this was the last stop before being kicked out
thus recognizing your one-on-one teaching proposal is an obvious non-starter

but i was glad to see you added another element - the last resort criterion - to the proposal you were not inclined to discuss more deeply earlier in this thread

i welcome you to address the other essential plan elements as i proposed, but only if you do so without an invoice

 

[justabubba]

You said they abandon the right.

Then you say they retain the right.

Now you're just trying to untangle that.

one's Constitutional right cannot be given up short of a Constitutional amendment making it so
but one can choose not to exercise it

next up, the number of angels which will fit upon the head of a pin

 

[Spock]

absolutely false

dangerous people have made parts of the USA dangerous - inanimate objects do NOT make people violent or dangerous

good gawd

Dangerous people with impulse control problems exist in every countries.
The only real difference between the US and other first world countries is the accessibility of firearms and that accessibility has been the cause of our firearm problem. More firearms = more firearm violence and deaths. It is a simple correlation. Controls in Australia and New Zealand are empirical evidence in support of that hypothesis.

 

[Spock]

What transport restrictions?

You should take the time to learn about federally regulated firearms.

 

[Spock]

If so, how come no Democratic lawmakers have introduced a bill to repeal the Second Amendment?

More people need to die senselessly for that to happen.

 

[Chillfolks]

250 was half the school
the students who where chronically uncontrollable

and your threat of kicking them out is amusing ... but illustrates how little you know about the current state of opublic schools in neighborhoods of chronic poverty
in this school, the teachers were not even allowed to suspend the students
the data showed black students were being suspended at a proportion far exceeding their numbers. white suspensions were trending in the opposite direction. thus, the school system's solution was to refuse to suspend black students
so, being unable to expell or suspend them, the teachers had to babysit them ... while trying to simultaneously teach the other half of the student population which was trying to get an education

for that 250, this was the last stop before being kicked out
thus recognizing your one-on-one teaching proposal is an obvious non-starter

but i was glad to see you added another element - the last resort criterion - to the proposal you were not inclined to discuss more deeply earlier in this thread

i welcome you to address the other essential plan elements as i proposed, but only if you do so without an invoice

I still am not understanding what the 250 number you made up has to do anything with this at all. There is not any news story I am aware of about that. But there has been plenty coverage on this troubled kid.

 

[RF667799]

one's Constitutional right cannot be given up short of a Constitutional amendment making it so
but one can choose not to exercise it

next up, the number of angels which will fit upon the head of a pin

Yeah, that's what I said when you said had abandoned their right, and thus gave it up.

Now I will give you this. They likely wouldn't mind giving up their right (and everyone else's in the process). Which would then be a case of them giving something up which they had no interest in using, and stripping that same something from others who do use it. Their own interests remain sound.

 

[RF667799]

Dangerous people with impulse control problems exist in every countries.
The only real difference between the US and other first world countries is the accessibility of firearms and that accessibility has been the cause of our firearm problem. More firearms = more firearm violence and deaths. It is a simple correlation. Controls in Australia and New Zealand are empirical evidence in support of that hypothesis.

Lots of people say that, but they never seem to be able to evidence a significant effect directly attributable to the latest gun removals.

 

[Rucker61]

More people need to die senselessly for that to happen.

I thought the Democratic mantra was "if it saves just one life"?

 

[RF667799]

You should take the time to learn about federally regulated firearms.

That's at least a couple statements you've made and supported with nothing but the insinuation you are some sort of authority.

I'm just going to assume those statements were lies.

 

[Rucker61]

Dangerous people with impulse control problems exist in every countries.
The only real difference between the US and other first world countries is the accessibility of firearms and that accessibility has been the cause of our firearm problem. More firearms = more firearm violence and deaths. It is a simple correlation. Controls in Australia and New Zealand are empirical evidence in support of that hypothesis.

One, the number of firearms on the US increased by 250 million from 1986 to 2019 according to ATF industry reports. The homicide rate, the suicide rate and the unintentional firearm death rate all fell during that time period.

Two, controls implemented in Australia and New Zealand wouldn't be Constitutional in the US.

 

[RF667799]

One, the number of firearms on the US increased by 250 million from 1986 to 2019 according to ATF industry reports. The homicide rate, the suicide rate and the unintentional firearm death rate all fell during that time period.

Two, controls implemented in Australia and New Zealand wouldn't be Constitutional in the US.

He's on record that constitutionality is "nonsense".

 

[Spock]

Lots of people say that, but they never seem to be able to evidence a significant effect directly attributable to the latest gun removals.

Firearm restrictive laws in California have made firearms more difficult to obtain. Firearm death rates in California are now below the national average per capita.

for example:

Gun Violence Data and Research

Office of Gun Violence Prevention Reports The Impact of Gun Violence in California: In August 2023, Attorney General Bonta released the first-ever report from the Office of Gun Violence Prevention. The report provides a comprehensive review of gun violence data in California and throughout the...

oag.ca.gov

 

[Spock]

That's at least a couple statements you've made and supported with nothing but the insinuation you are some sort of authority.

I'm just going to assume those statements were lies.

Your other statements were uninformed so it is unlikely you will believe any evidence.

 

[Rucker61]

Firearm restrictive laws in California have made firearms more difficult to obtain. Firearm death rates in California are now below the national average per capita.

for example:

Gun Violence Data and Research

Office of Gun Violence Prevention Reports The Impact of Gun Violence in California: In August 2023, Attorney General Bonta released the first-ever report from the Office of Gun Violence Prevention. The report provides a comprehensive review of gun violence data in California and throughout the...

oag.ca.gov

Firearm homicide victimization rates for Black Americans in California are higher than firearm homicide victimization rates for Black Americans in Texas.

WISQARS Fatal and Nonfatal Injury Reports

WISQARS Fatal and Nonfatal Injury Queries and Reports.

wisqars.cdc.gov

 

[Spock]

One, the number of firearms on the US increased by 250 million from 1986 to 2019 according to ATF industry reports. The homicide rate, the suicide rate and the unintentional firearm death rate all fell during that time period.

Two, controls implemented in Australia and New Zealand wouldn't be Constitutional in the US.

One: Small fluctuation in a very high per capital death rate are the wrong metric because that number is influenced by social trends, such as drug use.
Two: The issue from a practical point of view is that Australia and New Zealand (as well as Great Britain) have similar populations to the US but far less firearm mortality. They are not burdened by faulty 2A dogma.

Is it a Constitutional right to pursue a behavior that results in tens of thousands of preventable deaths per year?

The constitutionally of controls on firearm purchase and use have been eroded by faulty interpretations. 2A should have been seen as related to state militias, not an individual right.

 

[RF667799]

Firearm restrictive laws in California have made firearms more difficult to obtain. Firearm death rates in California are now below the national average per capita.

for example:

Gun Violence Data and Research

Office of Gun Violence Prevention Reports The Impact of Gun Violence in California: In August 2023, Attorney General Bonta released the first-ever report from the Office of Gun Violence Prevention. The report provides a comprehensive review of gun violence data in California and throughout the...

oag.ca.gov

Oh...Australia and New Zealand abandoned. Okay.

I don't accept suicides should be lumped in with homicides into a conflated category of "gun deaths", in a discussion of gun control.

Is California- with its strict gun laws- below the national average in homicides? If so, good for them. They join a bunch of states with less stringent gun laws.

 

[RF667799]

Your other statements were uninformed so it is unlikely you will believe any evidence.

Contradicting my statements is not evidence of them being uninformed. Your reluctance to support yours is some evidence you might have been speaking from your ass.

How long will you be here this time?

 

[Spock]

Firearm homicide victimization rates for Black Americans in California are higher than firearm homicide victimization rates for Black Americans in Texas.

WISQARS Fatal and Nonfatal Injury Reports

WISQARS Fatal and Nonfatal Injury Queries and Reports.

wisqars.cdc.gov

Extracting small subpopulations that confirm your bias especially when the sources of data are unreliable (such as FBI data voluntarily reported by law enforcement) is merely a demonstration of confirmation bias.

 

[RF667799]

One: Small fluctuation in a very high per capital death rate are the wrong metric because that number is influenced by social trends, such as drug use.

So guns are not a significant factor. Social trends are.

Two: The issue from a practical point of view is that Australia and New Zealand (as well as Great Britain) have similar populations to the US but far less firearm mortality. They are not burdened by faulty 2A dogma.

What do you mean "similar populations"? Is that a racial observation?

Is it a Constitutional right to pursue a behavior that results in tens of thousands of preventable deaths per year?

'Pears to do, yes.

No, really there's no Constitutional right to murder anyone. I don't know who told you there is.

The constitutionally of controls on firearm purchase and use have been eroded by faulty interpretations. 2A should have been seen as related to state militias, not an individual right.

Good luck.

 

[Spock]

Oh...Australia and New Zealand abandoned. Okay.

I don't accept suicides should be lumped in with homicides into a conflated category of "gun deaths", in a discussion of gun control.

Is California- with its strict gun laws- below the national average in homicides? If so, good for them. They join a bunch of states with less stringent gun laws.

Strict gun laws generally are associated with lower firearm deaths; conversely, lax gun laws tend to be associated with high firearm death and injury.

Of interest, consider Detroit Michigan compared to Windsor, Ontario ( less than 2 miles from Detroit) for firearm death rates.

 

[RF667799]

Strict gun laws generally are associated with lower firearm deaths; conversely, lax gun laws tend to be associated with high firearm death and injury.

Of interest, consider Detroit Michigan compared to Windsor, Ontario ( less than 2 miles from Detroit) for firearm death rates.

Let's consider Wyoming and California. I would say Wyoming has more lax gun laws than California. They also have a lower homicide rate.