Incredible Statement by 6 Year Old Shooter

[hecatmoggie]

if ya'll will notice anti-gun people do not own guns

they want to give up NOTHING themselves ... but they'll demand it of others

aint that something? this culture this 6 year old was raised in? THAT is the core problem

 

[ataraxia]

absolutely false

dangerous people have made parts of the USA dangerous - inanimate objects do NOT make people violent or dangerous

good gawd

So then there should be no problem putting nukes on sale at the local Walmart.

I have never seen a nuclear ordnance grow legs and kill someone, have you? Nukes don't kill people. People kill people. If you take away people's nukes, they will just find a way to do the same thing with knives. The ban on nuclear arms sales to the general public is an infringement on our natural right to arms. The Constitution has guaranteed that the right to arms shall not be infringed....

 

[uptower]

The mother is charged. (Of course no father in the home)

Sometimes having a father in the home is just as bad. They could be abusive and violent themselves.

 

[Chillfolks]

Sometimes having a father in the home is just as bad. They could be abusive and violent themselves.

Picking better people to sleep with goes a long way in cutting down on that.

 

[Rucker61]

Past time to repeal 2A and stop this nonsense of "constitutionality" obstructing actual effective legislation to reign in the proliferation of firearm deaths.

If so, how come no Democratic lawmakers have introduced a bill to repeal the Second Amendment?

 

[Rucker61]

The one that was in my post you responded to. Stealthcat's:

"From what I read" seems to be a qualifier.

 

[Rucker61]

Easy. Expand the list of firearms that are federally subject to license, transport restrictions, and background checks.

What transport restrictions?

 

[Rucker61]

So then there should be no problem putting nukes on sale at the local Walmart.

I have never seen a nuclear ordnance grow legs and kill someone, have you? Nukes don't kill people. People kill people. If you take away people's nukes, they will just find a way to do the same thing with knives. The ban on nuclear arms sales to the general public is an infringement on our natural right to arms. The Constitution has guaranteed that the right to arms shall not be infringed....

Are nukes in common use for lawful purposes?

 

[RF667799]

Are nukes in common use for lawful purposes?

If they sell them at Walmart they will be!

He never tires of trying to rouse that dead horse by whaling away at it.

 

[Geoist]

"From what I read" seems to be a qualifier.

What could he have possibly read about that story to have come to the conclusion that the gun was secured? Because one of the most shocking aspects of the story everyone reported on was the fact the mother left the gun on the table loaded and within reach of a 6 yr old.

 

[RF667799]

What could he have possibly read about that story to have come to the conclusion that the gun was secured? Because one of the most shocking aspects of the story everyone reported on was the fact the mother left the gun on the table loaded and within reach of a 6 yr old.

Was that in one of the stories in this thread? I'm not saying it isn't true. One of the stories here notes the police saying the mother acquired the gun legally, and then later she was charged with illegal possession of a gun.

 

[Rucker61]

What could he have possibly read about that story to have come to the conclusion that the gun was secured? Because one of the most shocking aspects of the story everyone reported on was the fact the mother left the gun on the table loaded and within reach of a 6 yr old.

Perhaps a early story? I can't look at every single news to validate or refute his claim.

Maybe you should ask him directly.

 

[justabubba]

How it would work is a student and a teacher sit down one on one and conduct schoolwork

what qualifies that student to receive the one on one instruction?
the point being, you are seeing this scenario in its aftermath
how does the system handle other prospective violent students
is there a budget which allows extensive one on one teaching to the at-risk kids
what characteristics indicate a child will be potentially violent, as this student demonstrated
we can monday morning quarterback this situation all day and that will do nothing to serve as a prophylactic preventing future such incidents

 

[justabubba]

if ya'll will notice anti-gun people do not own guns

they want to give up NOTHING themselves ... but they'll demand it of others

aint that something? this culture this 6 year old was raised in? THAT is the core problem

have they not made a decision to abandon their 2A right to bear arms ... giving up that possibility to avoid being a hypocrite?

 

[justabubba]

Picking better people to sleep with goes a long way in cutting down on that.

that was helpful insight

 

[RF667799]

have they not made a decision to abandon their 2A right to bear arms ... giving up that possibility to avoid being a hypocrite?

I wouldn't say that. They still have the right, regardless they choose to exercise it or not.

 

[Chillfolks]

what qualifies that student to receive the one on one instruction?
the point being, you are seeing this scenario in its aftermath
how does the system handle other prospective violent students
is there a budget which allows extensive one on one teaching to the at-risk kids
what characteristics indicate a child will be potentially violent, as this student demonstrated
we can monday morning quarterback this situation all day and that will do nothing to serve as a prophylactic preventing future such incidents

The kid was such a behavioral issue that a parent or guardian was required to be in class for a time. Of that doesn’t qualify someone I don’t know what would. Continued behavioral issues are the determining factor. A kid makes a fart noise once probably not an issue the same kid makes those noises none stop and is a constant distraction horn that’s a good candidate for the disciplinary instruction setting. Most all schools have a budget set aside for to deal with students needing extra services. I know a few parents of autistic children who have a shadow that follows them. This is not a new or revolutionary concept. Newport News has been doing that exact thing going back to the 80’s. This kid didn’t just have one bad day when he acted out and shot a teacher. He had an established history of behavior problems and saying threatening statements.

If you want me to present a formal plan to you then you will have to pay for those services.

 

[Chillfolks]

that was helpful insight

It’s something more people need to practice. If this mother has maybe a teacher wouldn’t have been shot

 

[justabubba]

I wouldn't say that. They still have the right, regardless they choose to exercise it or not.

there is no question they retain the right
but they have relinquished the opportunity to exercise it
in that way, they have given something up
which runs counter to the argument of the post to which i responded

 

[Geoist]

Was that in one of the stories in this thread? I'm not saying it isn't true. One of the stories here notes the police saying the mother acquired the gun legally, and then later she was charged with illegal possession of a gun.

Perhaps a early story? I can't look at every single news to validate or refute his claim.

Maybe you should ask him directly.

Yes, I read it in articles soon after the incident.

The only thing I've seen about the gun being 'secured' was the claim by the parents of the child, and obviously I'm not going to take their word for it. One of the charges against the mother was for NOT keeping the gun secured, so we'll have to see how that case pans out.

 

[RF667799]

there is no question they retain the right
but they have relinquished the opportunity to exercise it
in that way, they have given something up
which runs counter to the argument of the post to which i responded

That's not true. They have the opportunity to exercise the right whenever they choose because as you say, they retain the right. Retaining something is the opposite of giving it up.

 

[Rucker61]

Yes, I read it in articles soon after the incident.

The only thing I've seen about the gun being 'secured' was the claim by the parents of the child, and obviously I'm not going to take their word for it. One of the charges against the mother was for NOT keeping the gun secured, so we'll have to see how that case pans out.

I think we alll should be looking for a conviction.

 

[justabubba]

The kid was such a behavioral issue that a parent or guardian was required to be in class for a time.

yes, i read that soon after the incident
seemed a weird obligation imposed on a parent/guardian ... especially a single parent
apparently, she agreed to it as she was present on the days prior to the shooting
but still question how she was legally compelled to do so

Of that doesn’t qualify someone I don’t know what would.

in my wife's last school, that would have required 250 teachers to spend one on one time with the wayward students ... of course their parents/guardians recognized they could not be obligated to attend school with their children
color me dubious about the budget allowing for such extensive one teacher per child expectations

Continued behavioral issues are the determining factor. A kid makes a fart noise once probably not an issue the same kid makes those noises none stop and is a constant distraction horn that’s a good candidate for the disciplinary instruction setting. Most all schools have a budget set aside for to deal with students needing extra services. I know a few parents of autistic children who have a shadow that follows them. This is not a new or revolutionary concept. Newport News has been doing that exact thing going back to the 80’s. This kid didn’t just have one bad day when he acted out and shot a teacher. He had an established history of behavior problems and saying threatening statements.

again, continued behavioral issues were the expectation, not the exception at that previously referenced school. to expect one teacher for each of those 250 problem kids would have been newsworthy; which is why i continue to contest the thought which went behind your suggestion(s) that such one on one teaching is doable

If you want me to present a formal plan to you then you will have to pay for those services.

after reading your samples, i will opt not to waste any money ... especially since i have already wasted considerable keystrokes and time

 

[RF667799]

What could he have possibly read about that story to have come to the conclusion that the gun was secured? Because one of the most shocking aspects of the story everyone reported on was the fact the mother left the gun on the table loaded and within reach of a 6 yr old.

From the OP: She pleaded guilty on June 12 to illegally obtaining and possessing a firearm and making a false statement on a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives form to purchase the firearm. Taylor will face a maximum penalty of 25 years in prison when she is sentenced in October.

From this, it looks like- but I don't know for sure- that the misdemeanor charge of leaving a loaded firearm accessible to a child was dropped. And that the plea is already in place and she's just waiting sentence. Dropping the misdemeanor could have been because it wasn't viewed as a strong case. Speculation, of course.

 

[justabubba]

That's not true. They have the opportunity to exercise the right whenever they choose because as you say, they retain the right. Retaining something is the opposite of giving it up.

they have incurred an opportunity cost
which defies the assertion that they have given up nothing