In shootings, is the gun to blame?

[iguanaman]

He wants to ban ARs from being owned by private citizens so he is trying to pretend there is no legitimate reason to own one. And every deer I have taken was with a bow-crossbow, longbow, compound bow, recurve bow, Other than a pesky goose I haven't shot animals with AR 15s

Good for you and I am not being sarcastic. There is far more sport in that type of hunting. It's still not for me but....

 

[iguanaman]

Anti-gunners always seem to conveniently forget that the biggest massacre of Americans did not occur with a firearm. On April 19, 1995, Timmothy McVeigh was responsible for killing 168 and injuring more than 680 others and he never used a firearm.

Yes we can never forget that the extreme right have been our most dangerous domestic terrorists for 50 years at least. It's a good thing they never have guns....

 

[TurtleDude]

As long as you don't call it a "sport" go right ahead and execute your game.

depends on the animal and the terrain.

 

[RF667799]

Good for you and I am not being sarcastic. There is far more sport in that type of hunting. It's still not for me but....

Bows certainly require more commitment in terms of practice and developing hunting skills. (Crossbows not as much.) Around here, the people interested in nothing more than a deer in the freezer, mainly get out their shotguns during the gun season. Now if someone wants a LOT of meat, they'll invest some time in taking up archery, especially modern crossbows. Long season and unlimited tags over the counter.

 

[TurtleDude]

Coincidentally, I bought a crossbow this fall, and my daughter used it to kill a fork horn buck in her backyard a few weeks ago. He didn't run too far. 50 yards or so into the woods. Modern crossbows are no joke. At the proper range, they're as deadly as most guns.

BTW, you didn't answer the question.

I was a staff pro for a brand of crossbow. Sadly it was bought by another company and all they do is try to get faster and faster x bows which are not much fun to shoot. Most of my crossbows are target rigs that look like Olympic Free Rifles but the Mission Sub 1 I have (Mission is made by Matthews) can allow me to hit a tennis ball at 100M from a rest

 

[RF667799]

I was a staff pro for a brand of crossbow. Sadly it was bought by another company and all they do is try to get faster and faster x bows which are not much fun to shoot. Most of my crossbows are target rigs that look like Olympic Free Rifles but the Mission Sub 1 I have (Mission is made by Matthews) can allow me to hit a tennis ball at 100M from a rest

I think I told you before, but I bought a Wicked Ridge Rampage 360 with built in crank cocking device. When sighting it in, it didn't pay to shoot two bolts at the same spot. Too good a chance of ruining one.

my daughter put a 20" XX75 bolt with a Muzzy Trocar HBX broadhead clean through a buck I guess at close to 200 pounds live weight. He was 151 carcass hanging. She hit him about 30 yards from the stand, and the bolt buried about 6 inches in the ground on the other side of him.

 

[Rucker61]

At least use a crossbow and give the animals a fighting chance. Hunting game with an AR is for cowards.

What's the difference between hunting with an AR amd any other hunting rifle?

 

[Rucker61]

Good for you and I am not being sarcastic. There is far more sport in that type of hunting. It's still not for me but....

Which is more likely to produce an instant kill?

 

[RF667799]

What's the difference between hunting with an AR amd any other hunting rifle?

You can push through brush and brambles and not give a darn about scratching up the AR.

 

[Lursa]

I'm not sure what conversation you think was had here.

Why didnt you address my entire post?

So we should allow them the advantage? Why? How do you justify strangers deciding that for people they dont know, whose risks and circumstances they dont know? Are our lives less valuable?​

 

[Lursa]

Really you think that? Then why do people always wait until they get a gun to go on their murder sprees? Every one of those things has other valuable uses that don't involve killing or practicing to kill.

Because criminals and other predators always use what gives them the most advantage...the element of surprise and weapons that give them the advantage.

I dont think the rest of us should be hobbled by disadvantage, since we're already disadvantaged by ambush, surprise.

So give me a break. Everyone with a brain knows we have far too many guns here for our own good.

I didnt see you counter my post:

There are ~400 million guns in America and ~35,000 gun deaths/yr. Even including suicides (12,000/yr which dont usually extend to harming the public), the ratio of guns to gun deaths is so infinitesimal that you need an electron microscope to see it.

Please show how gun *numbers* are the issue.

You don't think the rest of the world knows this too? It's not like collecting stamps or coins or any other hobby there are dead serious consequences when any one of those millions of guns gets into the wrong hands and the more of them you have the less chance you will even know where they all are....

I dont see the rest of the world producing the same number of POS loser males either. Poor deductive reasoning for you to place the blame on guns when it's the POS losers using them against citizens. By far...it's the POS losers driving these tragedies...not guns.

 

[Lursa]

At least use a crossbow and give the animals a fighting chance. Hunting game with an AR is for cowards.

How does that change the intent OR the results? Crossbows take more skill and are more likely to cause suffering.

 

[Glitch]

Bows certainly require more commitment in terms of practice and developing hunting skills. (Crossbows not as much.) Around here, the people interested in nothing more than a deer in the freezer, mainly get out their shotguns during the gun season. Now if someone wants a LOT of meat, they'll invest some time in taking up archery, especially modern crossbows. Long season and unlimited tags over the counter.

I disagree. I think bows and firearms require the same level of commitment if one is going to be proficient with either weapon. Nobody picks up a weapon (any weapon) and becomes instantly proficient, it always requires lots of practice.

Bow hunters do tend to enjoy a longer season with many critters. Bow hunters are also allowed access to areas where firearms are not. For example, you can only hunt brown bear, moose and sheep by bow/crossbow around the Eklutna Lake, no firearms allowed. Small game may also be taken by falconry as well as bow/crossbow, and black bear by bow/crossbow only.

You can also hunt caribou and moose into October if you are armed with a bow/crossbow, while the end of caribou and moose season for firearms is the end of September.

The number of tags that are available depends on the type of hunt. Draw hunts typically have a large number of applicants applying for a limited number of tags, which results in the tags being issued by lottery. I recall last year (the last time I applied for a caribou tag) that there were only 800 caribou tags in the area I wished to hunt and 32,000+ applicants. I still managed to get a tag, but unfortunately I was not successful at getting a caribou last year.

Then there are registered hunts, which do have unlimited tags. However, some areas do have limited registration permits that they will issue, and the hunter is required to provide the State with a harvest report.

 

[BroHaHa]

No-one wants to prohibit people from owning ANY gun.

Any logical argument for guns has always been defeated and shown to be a mere excuse.

He just said he would be for prohibiting all guns.

This is what always happens when I bring this strange logic up. Someone inevitably—INEVITABLY—says, "Well if it was up to me I'd make them ALL illegal." They say that in the heat of the moment, having been confronted with the nonsense of crying out for a ban of a type of gun that kills virtually no one in the country, statistically speaking, also forgetting in the heat of the moment that the other claim they are supposed to make is that "No one is coming for your guns, you paranoid conservatives...we just want "common sense" gun laws." So then someone usually starts backpedaling. Your strange post seems to be saying both in back to back lines.

The point is that you can't have both. You can't want to ban all guns but not want to ban all guns.

As for a logical argument for guns, what about the CDC estimation that as many as 3 million incidences occur each year of citizens using guns to defend themselves from violent crimes? That's not a good reason to have them?

That Time The CDC Researched Defensive Gun Uses

 

[Glitch]

He just said he would be for prohibiting all guns.

This is what always happens when I bring this strange logic up. Someone inevitably—INEVITABLY—says, "Well if it was up to me I'd make them ALL illegal." They say that in the heat of the moment, having been confronted with the nonsense of crying out for a ban of a type of gun that kills virtually no one in the country, statistically speaking, also forgetting in the heat of the moment that the other claim they are supposed to make is that "No one is coming for your guns, you paranoid conservatives...we just want "common sense" gun laws." So then someone usually starts backpedaling. Your strange post seems to be saying both in back to back lines.

The point is that you can't have both. You can't want to ban all guns but not want to ban all guns.

As for a logical argument for guns, what about the CDC estimation that as many as 3 million incidences occur each year of citizens using guns to defend themselves from violent crimes? That's not a good reason to have them?

That Time The CDC Researched Defensive Gun Uses

It is not just "in the heat of the moment" either. We have Senator Feinstein stating publicly she wanted an "out-right ban, picking up everyone of them, Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in."

Any time leftist filth deliberately lie and attempt to deny anyone wants to ban all firearms, remind them of Senator Feinstein:

 

[CaughtInThe]

When this 11yo girl was shot and killed in Texas a couple of days ago I think she died because of bad weather (read the link)...

Harrison County sheriff ‘doesn’t foresee’ any arrests in accidental shooting death of child

The Harrison County Sheriff’s Office held a press conference Monday and gave more details on an accidental shooting death which occurred at a hunting lease near Hallsville.

www.kltv.com

 

[RF667799]

When this 11yo girl was shot and killed in Texas a couple of days ago I think she died because of bad weather (read the link)...

https://www.kltv.com/2021/11/29/har...any-arrests-accidental-shooting-daeath-child/

It's a case of negligence. You don't unload a rifle based on what you remember putting in. You unload and check the chamber, ensuring the gun is empty. There may be a few rifles in that chambering that you can "lower the hammer" but I doubt they are common. More likely, what he did is more accurately referred to as pulling the trigger. The rifle should have been pointed in a safe direction regardless.

Are you unhappy the prosecuter is not bringing charges? Would you want them brought in other cases of accidents due to negligence, or just this one?

 

[Chase Morgan]

1. I don't know whether they care about it or not. But they aren't the ones using the strange logic in this situation.

2. Yes, actually. If he had the right handgun and magazine combination and modified it with a shoulder stock and to shoot automatically the way he did the weapon he actually did use, sure. It would have worked about the same.

3. So the POTENTIAL to cause damage is the threshold, not the actual damage that is done? That's the strange as hell logic that I don't get. We should worry about something that could happen rather than what does happen? We should ground all planes because someone might pull another 9/11? It happened once, and it killed a whole lot more people than your shooters above. You can make napalm from gasoline and styrofoam. Throw in some diesel oil and a fuse and you could make a bomb that would have killed just as many people in Las Vegas. Which of those things do we ban because of the POTENTIAL for someone to do that?

4. Finally, since you admit you would ban all guns if you could, I guess when conservatives accuse liberals of coming for their guns and liberals ridicule that fear, you guys are just gaslighting and lying?

We should worry about something that could happen rather than what does happen?

LOL … uh, dude, as the mass-shooting capitol of the WORLD, there are no shortage of examples of the carnage that these assault weapons with high-capacity magazines HAVE CAUSED.

And it's just hilarious (and sooooo predictable) how you gunners love to wave around the red herrings … Hey look, that guy used his truck to kill! … That dude could’ve used a plane! … The guy had a knife not a gun! ... lol

Like I said to rucko, most mass-killers use GUNS … not trains, planes, and automobiles … or trucks, “napalm” (lol), and bombs.

Finally, since you admit you would ban all guns if you could...

Would like to see gun laws modeled after those used in a FAR more civilized, in my view, country (Japan), that has a tiny fraction of the gun violence that Murr-ca has.

You need to check out their AMAZINGLY successful gun laws and punishments. They don’t "ban all guns".

 

[TurtleDude]

We should worry about something that could happen rather than what does happen?

LOL … uh, dude, as the mass-shooting capitol of the WORLD, there are no shortage of examples of the carnage that these assault weapons with high-capacity magazines HAVE CAUSED.

And it's just hilarious (and sooooo predictable) how you gunners love to wave around the red herrings … Hey look, that guy used his truck to kill! … That dude could’ve used a plane! … The guy had a knife not a gun! ... lol

Like I said to rucko, most mass-killers use GUNS … not trains, planes, and automobiles … or trucks, “napalm” (lol), and bombs.

Finally, since you admit you would ban all guns if you could...

Would like to see gun laws modeled after those used in a FAR more civilized, in my view, country (Japan), that has a tiny fraction of the gun violence that Murr-ca has.

You need to check out their AMAZINGLY successful gun laws and punishments. They don’t "ban all guns".

so you want to ban all handguns as they do in England
all rifles and handguns as they do in Japan
yeah those are "successful"
yet crime is going up in England. the more they ban the worse it gets

Why do many of us see the gun banners as wanting to ban legal gun ownership and not really caring what it does to the crime rate? Your posts suggest you hate lawful gun owners-not violent criminals, because the laws you want only harm lawful gun ownership and doesn't do squat to stop those who already violate several laws daily

 

[RF667799]

We should worry about something that could happen rather than what does happen?

LOL … uh, dude, as the mass-shooting capitol of the WORLD, there are no shortage of examples of the carnage that these assault weapons with high-capacity magazines HAVE CAUSED.

And it's just hilarious (and sooooo predictable) how you gunners love to wave around the red herrings … Hey look, that guy used his truck to kill! … That dude could’ve used a plane! … The guy had a knife not a gun! ... lol

Like I said to rucko, most mass-killers use GUNS … not trains, planes, and automobiles … or trucks, “napalm” (lol), and bombs.

Finally, since you admit you would ban all guns if you could...

Would like to see gun laws modeled after those used in a FAR more civilized, in my view, country (Japan), that has a tiny fraction of the gun violence that Murr-ca has.

You need to check out their AMAZINGLY successful gun laws and punishments. They don’t "ban all guns".

It was you who enquired about the possibility of something else being used. Being unsatisfied with the answer, you complain that your inquiry was answered?

Have you seen my plan for universal background checks intended to remove these crime enabling tools from the criminally inclined?

 

[Rucker61]

We should worry about something that could happen rather than what does happen?

LOL … uh, dude, as the mass-shooting capitol of the WORLD, there are no shortage of examples of the carnage that these assault weapons with high-capacity magazines HAVE CAUSED.

Since 1964, the total number of deaths from a mass shooter using an AR-15 in a mass shooting is around 300, according to Mother Jones.

That's lower than the carnage caused by bathtubs every single year.

And it's just hilarious (and sooooo predictable) how you gunners love to wave around the red herrings … Hey look, that guy used his truck to kill! … That dude could’ve used a plane! … The guy had a knife not a gun! ... lol

Like I said to rucko, most mass-killers use GUNS … not trains, planes, and automobiles … or trucks, “napalm” (lol), and bombs.


You need to check out their AMAZINGLY successful gun laws and punishments. They don’t "ban all guns".

How would you plan to collect 380 million guns?

How would you plan to collect 10s of millions of guns from criminals?

How do you plan to repeal the 2nd and 4th Amendments?

How do you plan to reverse US v Cruikshank, DC v Heller and Caetano v Massachusetts?

How would you change the culture and demographics to match Japan, unless you think neither play an important role in their crime rates?

Which country, Japan or the US, has the higher intentional death rate?

 

[Logician Man]

< Your posts suggest you hate lawful gun owners-not violent criminals>

Please present any/all posts in which the poster you are referring to supports this 'opinion.' No posts presented = over-the-top , hyperbolic bullshit, which only further puts calm, level-headed, responsible firearm owners in a bad light. The above post is, for all intents and purposes, nothing more, or less, than unproven and illogical rambling driven by political lean/bias. Give it a D- on the A-F grading scale for pro-gun/pro-gun rights advocacy.

 

[TurtleDude]

Since 1964, the total number of deaths from a mass shooter using an AR-15 in a mass shooting is around 300, according to Mother Jones.

That's lower than the carnage caused by bathtubs every single year.


How would you plan to collect 380 million guns?

How would you plan to collect 10s of millions of guns from criminals?

How do you plan to repeal the 2nd and 4th Amendments?

How do you plan to reverse US v Cruikshank, DC v Heller and Caetano v Massachusetts?

How would you change the culture and demographics to match Japan, unless you think neither play an important role in their crime rates?

Which country, Japan or the US, has the higher intentional death rate?

one of the reasons why you rarely see responses to questions like this is because those questions all inquire about the facade that some anti gunners raise to hide their true motivations. Most of them really haven't thought through answers to questions concerning issues they really don't care about

 

[Chase Morgan]

Really you think that? Then why do people always wait until they get a gun to go on their murder sprees? Every one of those things has other valuable uses that don't involve killing or practicing to kill. So give me a break. Everyone with a brain knows we have far too many guns here for our own good. You don't think the rest of the world knows this too? It's not like collecting stamps or coins or any other hobby there are dead serious consequences when any one of those millions of guns gets into the wrong hands and the more of them you have the less chance you will even know where they all are....

BTW Merry Christmas...from the Boebert family.

Good post, ig

And LMAO at another SICK right-wing gun-nut family

Such badasses ... LOL

Only in ... MURR-CA..............................................

 

[Deuce]

Why didnt you address my entire post?

So we should allow them the advantage? Why? How do you justify strangers deciding that for people they dont know, whose risks and circumstances they dont know? Are our lives less valuable?​

I didn't address your entire post because I have no idea what the **** you are talking about. You inserted yourself into a conversation you don't seem to have any grasp of.