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In escalation, Iran enriches to 20% with new centrifuges at fortified site

Gee - if only people didn't think to mention at the time how stupid it was for Obama to "go it alone" on a wildly unpopular executive agreement that acted in no way like a treaty or law.
Gee...

Orange man also did "go it alone" to tear up and destroy a WORKING multi-partnered agreement with Iran on nukes and we hear thunderous huzzahs and applause from the Right.

Amazing!
 
Then do you support military strikes against Iran?
Not at this time.
Because sanctions haven’t stopped them despite decades of trying, and if you reject diplomacy then the only other options are to try and bomb them in the futile hope that doing so might stop their program.....or accepting that they are going to get nukes.
I have no problem with diplomacy.
It was the US who backed out on the agreement, not Tehran. Our actions were throughly hairbrained.
The "agreement", such as it was, was never adhered to by the Iranians and had very Iranian-friendly terms for inspections.

Maybe Israel can take care of this issue.
 
Believe what you want but mark my words people need to accept that short of using force Iran will become nuclear threat. No treaty will stop it and who can blame them. If I were Iran I would develop that capability too.
Not belief, fact.
 
Believe what you want but mark my words people need to accept that short of using force Iran will become nuclear threat. No treaty will stop it and who can blame them. If I were Iran I would develop that capability too.
I see no reason Iran shouldn't nuke up.
 
Can you prove it?
Iran was following the rules, they were watched very closely by a multi nation group of people overseeing it.

Trump screwed it up, and pissed off Iran by being a dick and ending the agreement.
 
Gee...

Orange man also did "go it alone" to tear up and destroy a WORKING multi-partnered agreement with Iran on nukes and we hear thunderous huzzahs and applause from the Right.

Amazing!
How was it "working"?
 
Iran was following the rules, they were watched very closely by a multi nation group of people overseeing it.

Trump screwed it up, and pissed off Iran by being a dick and ending the agreement.
Ayup!

Trump screwed the pooch and the Trumpers stood up and high fived and cheered and now we are reaping the harvest of Trump's idiotic lone wolf slash and burn everything of Obama's that he could and the American people be damned!
 
There you go whining and crying because you can’t bear to face the fact your Dear Leader ****ed up. Your own article admits that most Americans agreed with the deal’s objectives.
...and there he goes pivoting back to ad hominem Trump bs when his "facts" get shot down again.
 
“Iran announced Sunday that it has begun enriching uranium up to 20% using sophisticated centrifuges at its underground Fordo nuclear plant, state TV reported, an escalation that comes amid a standoff with the West over its tattered atomic deal.

That Tehran is enriching uranium up to 20% purity — a technical step from weapons-grade levels of 90% — with a new set of its most advanced centrifuges at a facility deep inside a mountain deals yet another blow to the already slim chances of reviving the accord.

Behrouz Kamalvandi, a spokesman for Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization, said uranium enriched to 20% was collected for the first time from advanced IR-6 centrifuges on Saturday. He said Iran had informed the U.N. nuclear watchdog about the development two weeks ago.”

Nuclear talks have been at a standstill for months. The U.S. special envoy for Iran, Robert Malley, described the latest round of negotiations in Qatar as “more than a little bit of a wasted occasion.”


Gee, funny how pulling out of the deal we agreed to did not, in fact, convince the Iranians we were trustworthy negotiating partners. The simple fact of the matter is short of concrete, iron clad security guarantees, the Iranians are going to see obtaining their own nuclear weapons as the only way to absolutely ensure that America doesn’t decide to try “Operation Iranian Freedom” which would be a bloodbath for all involved.

We’ll see how things go, but Biden rolling over for the Saudis is likely to be the last nail in the coffin for a workable peace deal.
The JCPOA never put an end to Iranian nuclear bomb potential.
The argument for the deal, led mostly by Democrats, is that the deal keeps Iran from gaining nuclear capability for ten years, the length of the deal. Proponents of the deal say that maintaining the sanctions would be counterproductive, as the Iranians would have been able to continue work on their capability during this time. The deal is also designed so that even if Iran breaks out of it, it will take them almost a full year to get back to where they were in terms of enriching uranium and their ability to launch a missile.
 
Ayup!

Trump screwed the pooch and the Trumpers stood up and high fived and cheered and now we are reaping the harvest of Trump's idiotic lone wolf slash and burn everything of Obama's that he could and the American people be damned!
They like to revel in their ignorance.
 
“Iran announced Sunday that it has begun enriching uranium up to 20% using sophisticated centrifuges at its underground Fordo nuclear plant, state TV reported, an escalation that comes amid a standoff with the West over its tattered atomic deal.

That Tehran is enriching uranium up to 20% purity — a technical step from weapons-grade levels of 90% — with a new set of its most advanced centrifuges at a facility deep inside a mountain deals yet another blow to the already slim chances of reviving the accord.

Behrouz Kamalvandi, a spokesman for Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization, said uranium enriched to 20% was collected for the first time from advanced IR-6 centrifuges on Saturday. He said Iran had informed the U.N. nuclear watchdog about the development two weeks ago.”

Nuclear talks have been at a standstill for months. The U.S. special envoy for Iran, Robert Malley, described the latest round of negotiations in Qatar as “more than a little bit of a wasted occasion.”


Gee, funny how pulling out of the deal we agreed to did not, in fact, convince the Iranians we were trustworthy negotiating partners. The simple fact of the matter is short of concrete, iron clad security guarantees, the Iranians are going to see obtaining their own nuclear weapons as the only way to absolutely ensure that America doesn’t decide to try “Operation Iranian Freedom” which would be a bloodbath for all involved.

We’ll see how things go, but Biden rolling over for the Saudis is likely to be the last nail in the coffin for a workable peace deal.

Iran was one of Trumps biggest **** ups
 
...and there he goes pivoting back to ad hominem Trump bs when his "facts" get shot down again.
There he goes whining bitterly about how mean he thinks everyone is to his Dear Leader because he can’t bear to face the fact Donnie Draft Dodger ****ed up
 
There he goes whining bitterly about how mean he thinks everyone is to his Dear Leader because he can’t bear to face the fact Donnie Draft Dodger ****ed up
But of course. What else they gonna do?
 
My objection to fossil fuel use is because I have been all over this nation and I have seen first-hand the disgusting tailings of a fossil fuel dependent society.

When I say "tailings" I am not just speaking of the mountains of earthen rock and such that are piled up from mining operations, but I do include those as well.

No, I am talking about all of it, everything that is being cast off or has already been cast off from our disposable fossil fuel powered society.

I am talking about all the disposed of gasoline powered cars that sit now in singular rusting hulks in farmyards and back yards and front yards across the land.

Then there are the thousands of acres of land, perhaps many square miles of space, dedicated to mass internment of battered and forgotten vehicles with their leaking bodies dripping gas and oil and coolant and battery acid into the soil. Those millions of trashed cars and trucks and tractors and forklifts and any number of other machines that once filled the skies with their emissions are now filling the land and the runoffs and the waterways with their seeping fluids and debris.

As bad as that is I have seen the mountains of discarded factory machines idle and rusting away in collapsed workshops from mom and pop sized to sprawling behemoths spanning acres and acres now abandoned to leech their corpses of rust and lubricants and deteriorating mechanics into our ecosystem.

Silent and stark are those machines now, but they speak of a time not that long ago when coal was king and it powered everything no matter how dirty or clean it might have been, cause those factories needed power, and coal was the answer. Deep shaft mines, strip mines gave out tons and tons of the stuff that would go to innumerable plants to be burned as fast as possible to run the steam turbines that powered the grid.

No one then cared what elements of poison were belched out of those power plants to drift across the land and fall into tillable soil or into ponds, lakes, streams and oceans. No, the more smokestacks spewing the toxins out and onto us and into our lungs the more folks thought "Isn't America Great!"

Now so many, too many, of those power plants are shut down, and the places where they stand, empty, are not being reclaimed. No one is tearing down those plants and recycling what can be recycled, no one is clearing off the soil where they stand and removing the cement and turning those spots back into nature places. No, the trash remains, the unused coal piles sit, the coal belt towers stand, the rail sidings sit idle, the smokestacks rise as tombstones; monuments to 'use it up and to hell with tomorrow'.

I have seen the landfills firsthand, deep down into them, to witness the carnage of civilization in its detritus delivered by an uninterrupted stream of trucks bringing unknowable tons of what was once new but is now used up, tossed and forgotten. Many of these landfills had no ecological restrictions, were never lined, did not ask or inspect what was being interred so every dangerous substance was ok then, just dump it and run and cover it up and never worry that poisons would percolate out and enter our waterways or percolate up through the earth as noxious gasses. Who knew?

I hate to admit but I must admit I am fully guilty of contributing to all of that of which I have seen and decry. But I have tried to make amends when and where I can and have been doing that for some time now.

I contributed to that "use it and toss it" society never caring about what I was doing or where my cast offs went. But I do care now, greatly, and I try to tell others that will listen.

If the earth is better served by moving away from fossil fuel use as much as can be done with the inclusion of technologies that can make what fossil fuels, we are using less dangerous and less in direct impacts upon the land and the water and the air I am all for it. If we can find ways to renewable and sustainable energy sans coal or petroleum or natural gas, I am for it.

If that also turns out better for the climate, then that would be sprinkles on top of the icing on top of the cake
My wife got me into recycling. I'm far from perfect, but I'm trying to be more conscious about it.
 
the only way to stop them from building a bomb is to bomb them......dear god we humans are so stupid.....hell awaits us all
 
The JCPOA never put an end to Iranian nuclear bomb potential.
The argument for the deal, led mostly by Democrats, is that the deal keeps Iran from gaining nuclear capability for ten years, the length of the deal. Proponents of the deal say that maintaining the sanctions would be counterproductive, as the Iranians would have been able to continue work on their capability during this time. The deal is also designed so that even if Iran breaks out of it, it will take them almost a full year to get back to where they were in terms of enriching uranium and their ability to launch a missile.

In other words, it was a deal to keep Iran from working on a nuclear weapon for years while additional diplomatic agreements were worked out to solidify said gain, and if Iran chose to break it would take them months to even get back to square one.
 
There he goes whining bitterly about how mean he thinks everyone is to his Dear Leader because he can’t bear to face the fact Donnie Draft Dodger ****ed up
More Trump BS. At some point you should start to feel embarrassed.

On the up side - at least you're learning things from this thread you created. You came in here thinking Obama had signed a treaty.
 
Another Trump success.

Yeah, I mean, if you can't trust Iran, whom can you trust?






 
Iran was following the rules, they were watched very closely by a multi nation group of people overseeing it.

Trump screwed it up, and pissed off Iran by being a dick and ending the agreement.
Watched closely? You seriously believe that?
 
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