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Even that evidence free assumption does not mean it was MADE in that lab does it?
Even that evidence free assumption does not mean it was MADE in that lab does it?There are plenty of scientists who think the pandemic started from a lab accident. I posted several links. They are mainstream news sources.
The article doesn't ever posit that the virus was fashioned for weaponization
What it does present is that US agencies funded coronavirus research in a Wuhan lab, including gain of function research and the alteration of coronavirus genotypes, which escaped via accidental human contact. Not only is his theory well documented, his presentation is scientifically stronger than the bat theory that was trotted out early 2020.
Even that evidence free assumption does not mean it was MADE in that lab does it?
Some do, of course.It appears experts disagree.
I told you I am not a conservative. And I never said it was a hoax. I don't understand why Democrats now days have blind faith in medical authorities.
Some do, of course.
LOL If there was an accidental leak they will get the the bottom of it. It is not considered likely but they have not ruled it it yet. What it is not is a bioweapon or the purposeful release. Those have been ruled out.It is not evidence free. If you had read anything about it, you would know there is a lot of evidence. And the Wuhan lab was "improving" bat coronaviruses so they could infect humans. What a bizarre coincidence.
You took the shot.
That means I have blind faith in medical authorities? I don't have any faith in them at all. We are being intensely pressured to get vaccinated. We cannot visit our parents in foreign countries without a vaccine. I have to KEEP REPEATING the same things! No, actually I don't have to. I can ignore your dopey comments.
Me too. Until we find direct evidence on either theory, we're left to wonder.Still waiting on the evidence.
I think what happened was you didn’t want to die of covid when a super safe vaccine was available, so you took the shot because that’s the rational thing to do when one has those beliefs.
Here's a excellent article on the evolution of the Covid virus. It might help you understand why science is so sure it was not lab made. Doing this stuff is not for novices either.It is not evidence free. If you had read anything about it, you would know there is a lot of evidence. And the Wuhan lab was "improving" bat coronaviruses so they could infect humans. What a bizarre coincidence.
Me too. Until we find direct evidence on either theory, we're left to wonder.
But as the US state department confirmed that workers in the Wuhan laboratory where novel coronavirus' were being created, and employees were sick with covid-like symptoms late in 2020, I'll probably discount China-issued explanations like bats, wet markets, and pangolins.
Do not trust your immune system with covid. It's got some real nasty tricks to mess with it. Instead of invading your entire lung at once like most infections it sets up "camps" in multiple areas where it protects itself while overheating your immune system for weeks. Don't try it.I have known all along I would not die of covid. I didn't even think I would catch it. After a year of not being very careful, I still didn't even catch it. I have absolutely no fear of covid. I never had any fear at all of the flu. I take care of my health and I trust my immune system.
Do not trust your immune system with covid. It's got some real nasty tricks to mess with it. Instead of invading your entire lung at once like most infections it sets up "camps" in multiple areas where it protects itself while overheating your immune system for weeks. Don't try it.
The number is 158 million infections and over 3.3 million dead so far worldwide. That is a lot of sick people who wish they had what you are rejecting.Most people never get covid. Of those who get it, most don't get a serious case or die. You are just repeating mainstream news hysteria.
Most people don't have car accidents. Of those who do, most don't die. Don't wear seat belts.Most people never get covid. Of those who get it, most don't get a serious case or die. You are just repeating mainstream news hysteria.
Most people don't have car accidents. Of those who do, most don't die. Don't wear seat belts.
On the mutations, he compared it to other viruses and researchers within months could find the predecessor varieties, and more than a dozen clear mutations that over time finally made them highly infectious to humans. For COVID, the first known appearance was HIGHLY infectious to humans, ideally suited to infect humans, in fact.A few major issues with the arguments presented
1. The virus is likely to have been around much earlier than September 2019, antibodies have been detected in Italy as early as Sept 2019 in blood samples of Cancer patients
Researchers find coronavirus was circulating in Italy earlier than thought
The new coronavirus was circulating in Italy in September 2019, a study by the National Cancer Institute (INT) of the Italian city of Milan shows, signaling that it might have spread beyond China earlier than thought.www.reuters.com
2. His statement that the virus has not mutated very much, as I understand it, the virus has mutated quite a bit, with a lot of different strains some far more infectious than others
The author had a goal in mind when writing the article and included facts that would support it.
Distance does not matter when populations are mobile. A bat population 1500 km away means that the virus could not be first detected in a city 1500 km away? Do not people travel, do not truckers move animals, food from one place to another, a person with an infection to another
He didn't dismiss any theory. His basic premise is we're 15 months after it first emerged and there is exactly zero evidence of a 'natural' mutation. We don't know the original source, or the presumed intermediary that then infected humans. No bats have been found with the virus, or intermediaries. He doesn't dismiss it as not possible, but simply notes that if you want to claim it evolved naturally, right now you cannot point to the mechanism. A year ago, that might not be surprising, but 15 months later given the huge effort to locate those hosts, a but less credible.Try the highlighted portion. Followed by dismissing others who state it was a natural mutation.
We in fact don't have a shred of evidence for ANY theory. But the problem is when you have no evidence for natural mutation, it's hard to then conclude, as if it's demonstrated, that the source was natural. That's especially true when the lab-escape theory cannot be ruled out, and especially when China is so unwilling to let outside researchers examine that lab.And?
We don't have a shred of evidence for the escape from the Lab theory.
We do know that the director of the NIAID (a subgroup of the NIH) did fund gain of function experiments in a Wuhan lab.
So what?
What does this prove?
Correlation =/= Causation
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
Me too. Until we find direct evidence on either theory, we're left to wonder.
But as the US state department confirmed that workers in the Wuhan laboratory where novel coronavirus' were being created, and employees were sick with covid-like symptoms late in 2020, I'll probably discount China-issued explanations like bats, wet markets, and pangolins.
On the mutations, he compared it to other viruses and researchers within months could find the predecessor varieties, and more than a dozen clear mutations that over time finally made them highly infectious to humans. For COVID, the first known appearance was HIGHLY infectious to humans, ideally suited to infect humans, in fact.
The problem for the distant place theory is there is no known outbreak in those distant places. It emerged in Wuhan. If it was a trucker, you'd expect to see it infecting family, or coworkers, and others with whom he interacted closely, perhaps on the journey, and there's no evidence of that, according to the OP.
What most troubles me is that the Chinese have acted exactly as you'd expect if it was a lab outbreak. They've been very non-transparent at every step. Investigators who have gone to China have simply NOT had the kind of openness we'd expect if the Chinese believed in a natural outbreak. The opposite is apparently true - they've been stonewalled, most importantly including at the Wuhan Institute. It's possible that's just the Chinese being secretive, but the problem with hiding a bunch of stuff and stonewalling is it's a natural and very logical conclusion that the point of it is to hide the source.
I have known all along I would not die of covid. I didn't even think I would catch it. After a year of not being very careful, I still didn't even catch it. I have absolutely no fear of covid. I never had any fear at all of the flu. I take care of my health and I trust my immune system.
This is the most profoundly ignorant crap you have posted to date.How should I know what the anti-vaxxers think? I'm just saying it would have been better if Fauci and his friends didn't start the pandemic in the first place.
Name one of your "legit" sources.It was transported to the lab from the bat caves 5 hours south of Wuhan however it did not escape in transit. It is far more likely that it escaped after it was altered in the lab to become more transmissible.
Many legit sources can verify this.
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