In case of Global Warming....

[Threegoofs]

What is the exact amount of the warming that they all agree absolutely is the result of the activities of man?

Look it up yourself. Maybe if you did that every once in a while, you'd understand the topic.

www.ipcc.ch

 

[BmanMcfly]

What is the exact amount of the warming that they all agree absolutely is the result of the activities of man?

Look it up yourself. Maybe if you did that every once in a while, you'd understand the topic.

www.ipcc.ch

The real answer is that they have no idea, if the weather, which is modeled by some of the most powerful computers commercially available, cannot even predict weather and cloud cover 2 weeks out with more accuracy than a coin flip, how are they going to figure out the combination of weather world wide to predict the climate temperatures a century away??

Not one of them predicted the tapering off of warming and modest cooling that we saw recently, in spite of co2 ( the primary driver) increasing throughout the period.

They don't care though, it never was about temperatures like that, but about how many rules can get made into law...

These alarmists are truly dangerous control freaks and their cult followers thinking this actually has something to do with the environment.

 

[Threegoofs]

The real answer is that they have no idea, if the weather, which is modeled by some of the most powerful computers commercially available, cannot even predict weather and cloud cover 2 weeks out with more accuracy than a coin flip, how are they going to figure out the combination of weather world wide to predict the climate temperatures a century away??

Not one of them predicted the tapering off of warming and modest cooling that we saw recently, in spite of co2 ( the primary driver) increasing throughout the period.

They don't care though, it never was about temperatures like that, but about how many rules can get made into law...

These alarmists are truly dangerous control freaks and their cult followers thinking this actually has something to do with the environment.

I see you didn't bother to read either.

I guess it's easier to pretend you know stuff, like the 'fact' that NASA manipulates temperature readings.

 

[code1211]

I see you didn't bother to read either.

I guess it's easier to pretend you know stuff, like the 'fact' that NASA manipulates temperature readings.

You think that the readings from the temperature stations are not changed in any way at any time by any person for any reason?

You really need to gain a firmer grasp of what is actually being done in this "science".

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
<snip>
GLOBAL Land-Ocean Temperature Index in 0.01 degrees Celsius base period: 1951-1980

sources: GHCN-v3 1880-07/2013 + SST: ERSST 1880-07/2013
using elimination of outliers and homogeneity adjustment
Notes: 1950 DJF = Dec 1949 - Feb 1950 ; ***** = missing
<snip>

 

[code1211]

Look it up yourself. Maybe if you did that every once in a while, you'd understand the topic.

IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

Abraham Lincoln said words to the effect that it is better to remain silent and be thought the fool than to say something and remove all doubt.

You show again that you feel Lincoln gave poor advice.

 

[Threegoofs]

Abraham Lincoln said words to the effect that it is better to remain silent and be thought the fool than to say something and remove all doubt.

You show again that you feel Lincoln gave poor advice.

In other words, you won't bother to read stuff either.

 

[code1211]

In other words, you won't bother to read stuff either.

I've read their other stuff that includes a prediction of warming over the next hundred years of something between .3 and 6.4 degrees. Worthless.

If you know of something in the assessment that that seems a little more science based and a little less "throw it at the wall and see what sticks", I'd be glad to see it.

It would be a refreshing change from the usual AGW Science delusions.

 

[Jack Hays]

[h=2]Friday Funny: Fracking protestors and their petro-sourced belongings[/h] Posted on August 23, 2013 by Anthony Watts
There’s been a lot of hullabaloo in the UK over the Balcombe fracking protests. WUWT reader Eric Worrall writes in with this comparison photo.

Original picture source: Anti-fracking activists camp 'without permission' - ITV News
Here is a tagged version of the same picture of all the plastic high tech synthetics used by anti fracking protestors in England, captured in a single photograph.

It really makes you wonder – do anti-fracking protestors think nylon tents, PVC groundsheets, and plastics grow on trees? No doubt the tents also contain high tech synthetic fibre sleeping bags, and gas powered camp cookers.
Do these hypocrites actually think about what sort of world they would have to endure, without the cheap hydrocarbons, and cheap plastic synthetics, the petroleum source of which they oppose?

 

[polgara]

[h=2]Friday Funny: Fracking protestors and their petro-sourced belongings[/h] Posted on August 23, 2013 by Anthony Watts
There’s been a lot of hullabaloo in the UK over the Balcombe fracking protests. WUWT reader Eric Worrall writes in with this comparison photo.

Original picture source: Anti-fracking activists camp 'without permission' - ITV News
Here is a tagged version of the same picture of all the plastic high tech synthetics used by anti fracking protestors in England, captured in a single photograph.

It really makes you wonder – do anti-fracking protestors think nylon tents, PVC groundsheets, and plastics grow on trees? No doubt the tents also contain high tech synthetic fibre sleeping bags, and gas powered camp cookers.
Do these hypocrites actually think about what sort of world they would have to endure, without the cheap hydrocarbons, and cheap plastic synthetics, the petroleum source of which they oppose?

It is my understanding that CONNECTING THE DOTS 101 was a college course many didn't opt to take. Since their graduation, they have accepted jobs in the government, which helps explain why we're in the mess we're in today! :mrgreen:

Good afternoon, Jack. :2wave:

 

[Deuce]

ask Al Gore.......

"Quick, change the subject!"

 

[Deuce]

People just don't understand that solar is the largest driver of the earth's heat. This solar cycle is the coolest in some time. The next is expected to be even cooler.

They do understand it. You just keep plugging your ears.

 

[Jack Hays]

It is my understanding that CONNECTING THE DOTS 101 was a college course many didn't opt to take. Since their graduation, they have accepted jobs in the government, which helps explain why we're in the mess we're in today! :mrgreen:

Good afternoon, Jack. :2wave:

Good afternoon, Polgara.:2wave:

In the interest of our friendship I'll not mention my nearly 34 years of government service.:mrgreen:

 

[polgara]

Good afternoon, Polgara.:2wave:

In the interest of our friendship I'll not mention my nearly 34 years of government service.:mrgreen:

Since you have long since proven that you took the course CONNECTING THE DOTS 101, which was undoubtedly an absolute requirement by the agency that hired you, your 34 years of service, plus the promotions you received along the way, shows that they believed they made the right choice in hiring you. Too bad we can't expect that from all personnel in DC.. :mrgreen:

 

[Jack Hays]

Since you have long since proven that you took the course CONNECTING THE DOTS 101, which was undoubtedly an absolute requirement by the agency that hired you, your 34 years of service, plus the promotions you received along the way, shows that they believed they made the right choice in hiring you. Too bad we can't expect that from all personnel in DC.. :mrgreen:

Fair enough. My only request is that my friends remember that the federal government is full of hard working men and women who get things done in spite of the politicians, but are unfortunately judged by the escapades of the worst among them.eace

 

[polgara]

Fair enough. My only request is that my friends remember that the federal government is full of hard working men and women who get things done in spite of the politicians, but are unfortunately judged by the escapades of the worst among them.eace

:agree: It's easy to paint all in DC with a broad brush when you're angry or unhappy with what you see happening, but I wouldn't have wanted to be judged by the actions of some business leaders, either. Fair is fair.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Oh. I didn't see your admission.

For the 27th time, it's you that didn't backup claims.

So you never could find a scientist that said NASA is manipulating data, huh?

Had you bothered to spend a few minutes reading, you would have seen the scientists with NASA talking about changing data and checking results.... But that was because of "errors" that required correcting (making it so 1998 was no longer the hottest on record)

Doesn't that make you reconsider your position a bit..? I mean, the sources you read are clearly lying out of their asses.

The NASA scientists talking to other NASA scientists...especially now that another included a more technical source has been linked ( which of course you also ignored).

I'd ask the same question of you, but since you have delusions to maintain, I know the answer.

 

[Threegoofs]

For the 27th time, it's you that didn't backup claims.



Had you bothered to spend a few minutes reading, you would have seen the scientists with NASA talking about changing data and checking results.... But that was because of "errors" that required correcting (making it so 1998 was no longer the hottest on record)



The NASA scientists talking to other NASA scientists...especially now that another included a more technical source has been linked ( which of course you also ignored).

I'd ask the same question of you, but since you have delusions to maintain, I know the answer.

So surely there is some PUBLISHED EVIDENCE of this 'momentous fraud' in the scientific literature. All you seem to have is political references.

If not, doesn't it indicate that your claim is just so much political bull****?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Look it up yourself. Maybe if you did that every once in a while, you'd understand the topic.

IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

Please point us to the chapter and verse of your Bible you wish us to read.

 

[Threegoofs]

Please point us to the chapter and verse of your Bible you wish us to read.

You? Start with the title page.


Realistically, it doesn't matter for you because you already have made up your mind that the conclusions aren't true and will dismiss all evidence contradicting your pre ordained conclusion.

 

[Lord of Planar]

You? Start with the title page.


Realistically, it doesn't matter for you because you already have made up your mind that the conclusions aren't true and will dismiss all evidence contradicting your pre ordained conclusion.

I'll bet I have read far more of the IPCC literature than you have. You don't even understand any of it at any technical level.

You get very annoying spouting the same BS. Information overload with no page, quote, etc. You don't even make a good troll. A good troll can at least appear to understand the science.

 

[Threegoofs]

IA good troll can at least appear to understand the science.

You seem to be trying to perfect that.

But where it falls apart is the point where you pretend to understand the science better than the actual, you know, scientists.

 

[Jack Hays]

You seem to be trying to perfect that.

But where it falls apart is the point where you pretend to understand the science better than the actual, you know, scientists.

You mean like these scientists?

More warmist lying.

[h=2]Fabricating Climate Doom – Part 3: Extreme Weather Extinctions Enron Style[/h] Posted on August 25, 2013 by Guest Blogger
Guest essay by Jim Steele, Director emeritus Sierra Nevada Field Campus, San Francisco State University
An Illusion of Extreme Climate Disruption

“While clearing larvae were starving in response to destruction of their hosts, survival in the outcrop was higher than previously recorded: an estimated 80% of larval groups survived.” [SUP]1 – [/SUP]C. D. Thomas, University of Leeds, United Kingdom
​

In Part 1, I documented how Camille Parmesan’s 1996 paper (heralded as proof that global warming was forcing butterflies northward and upward) had misread landscape change for climate change, how she failed to publish that “extinct” populations had now recovered and refused to provide the data to permit replication of her iconic paper. In Part 2, I documented how Parmesan hijacked the conservation success story of the Large Blue and the detailed conservation science of Jeremy Thomas in order to again blame global warming for expanding the range of endangered UK butterflies. In Part 3, I document how Parmesan kept half the evidence “off the books” to suggest extreme weather, supposedly caused by rising CO[SUB]2[/SUB], was causing population extinctions in the Sierra Nevada, and our top climate scientists then embraced and spread that myth.
Continue reading →:mrgreen:

 

[Threegoofs]

You mean like these scientists?

More warmist lying.

[h=2]Fabricating Climate Doom – Part 3: Extreme Weather Extinctions Enron Style[/h] Posted on August 25, 2013by Guest Blogger
Guest essay by Jim Steele, Director emeritus Sierra Nevada Field Campus, San Francisco State University
An Illusion of Extreme Climate Disruption

“While clearing larvae were starving in response to destruction of their hosts, survival in the outcrop was higher than previously recorded: an estimated 80% of larval groups survived.” [SUP]1 – [/SUP]C. D. Thomas, University of Leeds, United Kingdom
​

In Part 1, I documented how Camille Parmesan’s 1996 paper (heralded as proof that global warming was forcing butterflies northward and upward) had misread landscape change for climate change, how she failed to publish that “extinct” populations had now recovered and refused to provide the data to permit replication of her iconic paper. In Part 2, I documented how Parmesan hijacked the conservation success story of the Large Blue and the detailed conservation science of Jeremy Thomas in order to again blame global warming for expanding the range of endangered UK butterflies. In Part 3, I document how Parmesan kept half the evidence “off the books” to suggest extreme weather, supposedly caused by rising CO[SUB]2[/SUB], was causing population extinctions in the Sierra Nevada, and our top climate scientists then embraced and spread that myth.
Continue reading →:mrgreen:

Another fine link to a blog post.

 

[Jack Hays]

Another fine link to a blog post.

And another attempt to debate authority rather than the data, rather like the pope vs Galileo.eace

 

[BmanMcfly]

So surely there is some PUBLISHED EVIDENCE of this 'momentous fraud' in the scientific literature. All you seem to have is political references.

If not, doesn't it indicate that your claim is just so much political bull****?

Political references?? You mean ADMISSIONS BY THOSE INVOLVED... But since you didn't bother to read the source you can come up with whatever nonsense justification...

Btw, you still have yet to backup your claims about homogenization...