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In case of Global Warming....

BmanMcfly said:
How come you insist on dodging? Is it really that you don't want to verbalize your support for this corruption? I mean your only defense so far has been appeal to authority, or simply ignoring the issue and moving on.

Of course, you probably accept Hayden's defense where he said it was because of too many people manipulating a single file; so they had to rewrite the data, making old data cooler and recent data warmer... The group was "wrong", not manipulative.

That's ok though, because for the warmer cult even when it gets cooler that is proof that it's getting warmer... And no amount of lies, manipulations, exaggerations or distortions will change the level of faith of the acolytes.
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DODGING? I asked you to back up your ludicrous statement about NASA and you blabbered incessantly without bothering to produce one.
 
Threegoofs said:
DODGING? I asked you to back up your ludicrous statement about NASA and you blabbered incessantly without bothering to produce one.
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To dodge from the issue... And you have a demonstrable track record of ignoring sources anyway, so go back a few posts and go back to the issues raised...

Where is the "homogenization" process explicitly claimed to adjust specifically for the problems of artificial heat sources? That was your claim.

Now, there are tens of thousands of micro-climates around the world that will have varying temperatures, and in the name of accuracy.
 
BmanMcfly said:
To dodge from the issue... And you have a demonstrable track record of ignoring sources anyway, so go back a few posts and go back to the issues raised...

Where is the "homogenization" process explicitly claimed to adjust specifically for the problems of artificial heat sources? That was your claim.

Now, there are tens of thousands of micro-climates around the world that will have varying temperatures, and in the name of accuracy.
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And another post of yapping without providing a credible source.

You claim that NASA lied and manipulated temperature data. Where's the credible source?
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=2]Denmark gets a dose of global cooling in major newspaper[/h] Posted on August 10, 2013 by Anthony Watts
Major Danish Daily Warns: “Globe May Be On Path To Little Ice Age…Much Colder Winters…Dramatic Consequences”!
Pierre Gosselin writes:
Another major European media outlet is asking: Where’s the global warming?
Image right: The August 7 edition of Denmark’s Jyllands-Posten, featured a major 2-page article on the globe’s 15-years of missing warming and the potential solar causes and implications.
Moreover, they are featuring prominent skeptic scientists who are warning of a potential little ice age and dismissing CO2 as a major climate driver. And all of this just before the release of the IPCC’s 5AR, no less!
Hat-tip: NTZ reader Arne Garbøl
The August 7 print edition of the Danish Jyllands-Posten, the famous daily that published the “Muhammad caricatures“, features a full 2-page article bearing the headline: ”The behavior of the sun may trigger a new little ice age” followed by the sub-headline: “Defying all predictions, the globe may be on the road towards a new little ice age with much colder winters.”:mrgreen:
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shame on you Jack .. you at least know better ...
 
Lord of Planar said:
I don't know about deniers, but us skeptics don't watch cartoons or comics to base our decisions on.
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forgive them ... they don't seem to understand that skeptics base their skepticism on good, hard science, the kind that the vast majority of scientists don't understand and a science that will never make it into the top referreed journals or be recognized by the most distinguished scientific societies ...
 
Lord of Planar said:
How are you going to get Asia to comply? You know don't you, that China alone burns more fossil fuels than we do, and they don't use clean burning technologies like we do.

Do you also realize that imposing restriction on the world means the 3rd world nations have almost no chance of developing and any rate considered healthy?
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Imagine China with our lifestyle, standard of living, equivalent consumption of resources proportionately ... if that doesn't scare you, I don't know what will ... hopefully China will recognize the problem, but you're probably right about compliance from other parts of the world, including China ...
 
windowdressing said:
Imagine China with our lifestyle, standard of living, equivalent consumption of resources proportionately ... if that doesn't scare you, I don't know what will ... hopefully China will recognize the problem, but you're probably right about compliance from other parts of the world, including China ...
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If China reaches our standard of living, who's going to make the the stuff they buy?:mrgreen:
 
windowdressing said:
shame on you Jack .. you at least know better ...
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I certainly don't know better, I'm proud to say. Denmark is the home of Professor Henrik Svensmark, the man who will probably bring the AGW house of cards tumbling down. His most recent work was published by Britain's Royal Astronomical Society. A cooling future is quite plausible.

[h=3]Did exploding stars help life on Earth to thrive? - Royal Astronomical ...[/h]www.ras.org.uk › News & Press › News 2012‎:mrgreen:
 
Jack Hays said:
I certainly don't know better, I'm proud to say. Denmark is the home of Professor Henrik Svensmark, the man who will probably bring the AGW house of cards tumbling down. His most recent work was published by Britain's Royal Astronomical Society. A cooling future is quite plausible.

[h=3]Did exploding stars help life on Earth to thrive? - Royal Astronomical ...[/h]www.ras.org.uk › News & Press › News 2012‎:mrgreen:
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I'm good either way .. actually, I'm (we all are) better if he's right ... but after the two political scientists in CO that you hitched your wagon to, I get nervous when you latch on to an academic ... I hope this is a better pick ...
 
windowdressing said:
I'm good either way .. actually, I'm (we all are) better if he's right ... but after the two political scientists in CO that you hitched your wagon to, I get nervous when you latch on to an academic ... I hope this is a better pick ...
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It took an extraordinary differential in campaign capability to overturn the Colorado projection. :eek:
 
Jack Hays said:
It took an extraordinary differential in campaign capability to overturn the Colorado projection. :eek:
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You must've been really good at what you did ... I probably wouldn't have liked what you did, but no doubt you were good at it ... but don't forget Jack: Never latch on to political scientists who predict the past ...
 
windowdressing said:
You must've been really good at what you did ... I probably wouldn't have liked what you did, but no doubt you were good at it ... but don't forget Jack: Never latch on to political scientists who predict the past ...
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All projections of future outcomes rely to at least some extent on data collected in the past.:mrgreen:
 
Threegoofs said:
And another post of yapping without providing a credible source.

You claim that NASA lied and manipulated temperature data. Where's the credible source?
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And another post of yapping without providing a credible source.

You claim that ............... Where's the credible source?
 
BmanMcfly said:
And another post of yapping without providing a credible source.

You claim that ............... Where's the credible source?
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It's OK to admit that you just made it up out of thin air.

It's not like most of us haven't figured you out by now....
 
Do you suppose Mann will sue the IPCC?:mrgreen:

[h=2]IPCC throws Mann’s Hockey Stick under the bus?[/h] Posted on August 21, 2013 by Anthony Watts
While the media circulates the talking points pre-release “leaked draft” of IPCC’s AR5 amongst themselves, there are a few nuggets of interest coming out here and there we can write about. One such nugget is contained in a series of bullet points on the Washington Post Capital Weather Gang in an article by Jason Samenow:
 
Threegoofs said:
It's OK to admit that you just made it up out of thin air.

It's not like most of us haven't figured you out by now....
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Just like you made up the homogenization process not being the means of concealing the fraud? It's ok, everyone has figured that out.

But as is typical with the socialist / communist crowd, as they are shown to be wrong simply redouble to try and conceal their failures.
 
Just to demonstrate; here's a link that contains internal emails between NASA people where they talk about these flaws and try to down play the importance, etc...

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...documents-related-global-warming-controversy/

Flipping through the pages of the documents, it was interesting to note the discussions between NASA scientists discussing the ways they will play with the numbers and see how that will impact.

It seems also, internally at NASA it was 1934 that was the hottest year on record....

Your turn to source how homogenization reflects ACTUAL averages when now on both sides; satellite data is called into question(by the mishandling by the scientists) and the ground temperature readings being affected by artificial heat sources.

Let me guess, they compensated by putting some of those thermometers in a fridge?
 
BmanMcfly said:
Just to demonstrate; here's a link that contains internal emails between NASA people where they talk about these flaws and try to down play the importance, etc...

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...documents-related-global-warming-controversy/

Flipping through the pages of the documents, it was interesting to note the discussions between NASA scientists discussing the ways they will play with the numbers and see how that will impact.

It seems also, internally at NASA it was 1934 that was the hottest year on record....

Your turn to source how homogenization reflects ACTUAL averages when now on both sides; satellite data is called into question(by the mishandling by the scientists) and the ground temperature readings being affected by artificial heat sources.

Let me guess, they compensated by putting some of those thermometers in a fridge?
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Thanks for finally getting a reference.

I have to ask... Do you have any SCIENTIFIC references. Because a right wing political website (funded by an oil guy- R. Mellon Scaife) isn't exactly objective or credible.
 
Threegoofs said:
Thanks for finally getting a reference.

I have to ask... Do you have any SCIENTIFIC references. Because a right wing political website (funded by an oil guy- R. Mellon Scaife) isn't exactly objective or credible.
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So predictable, you were not supposed to read a word on that site, but the words of the scientists themselves. There were four linked documents obtained through foia requests, that was all.

But you like that kind of corruption anyway, so you'll just say "see its no big deal"... Or less.

And congratulations on your dodging the situation. You are so dishonest in debate it's sad... Just goes to show the strength of your position that you and others like you must resort to pathetic tactics like this. Especially how you cling to the idea that you must be a climate scientist to criticize climate science, it's ridiculous and you know it, but you cling to it.

Whenever you are wrong you just push further in a new direction, let's see where this heads now.
 
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What debate? I asked for a credible reference, you provided a political right wing website.

If NASA is dishonestly manipulating data, this certainly must be known and published in the scientific world, noted in papers using they data, and obviously retractions of papers relying on that data are published, since that's how science works.

But you seem to be obfuscating and perseverating instead of providing a reference, which I think we can all probably conclude is nonexistent.

I won't call you a liar, because that is impolite. But you clearly are not married to truthfulness, huh?
 
Threegoofs said:
What debate? I asked for a credible reference, you provided a political right wing website.
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To dodge having to post facts yourself.

If NASA is dishonestly manipulating data, this certainly must be known and published in the scientific world, noted in papers using they data, and obviously retractions of papers relying on that data are published, since that's how science works.
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By the peers of the people that provided the corrupt data? More conflicts of interest acting and judges?

How much money would be "lost" if that data was published?? (remember 500mil- 1 billion dollars per year depending on what is included)

But you seem to be obfuscating and perseverating instead of providing a reference, which I think we can all probably conclude is nonexistent.
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The same links you refused to read minutes earlier, that I said in the post was to demonstrate the point to everyone else, and you did exactly as I said you would do.

I won't call you a liar, because that is impolite. But you clearly are not married to truthfulness, huh?
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The difference is, I just backed up my claim, you are just grasping.
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=2]Denmark gets a dose of global cooling in major newspaper[/h] Posted on August 10, 2013 by Anthony Watts
Major Danish Daily Warns: “Globe May Be On Path To Little Ice Age…Much Colder Winters…Dramatic Consequences”!
Pierre Gosselin writes:
Another major European media outlet is asking: Where’s the global warming?
Image right: The August 7 edition of Denmark’s Jyllands-Posten, featured a major 2-page article on the globe’s 15-years of missing warming and the potential solar causes and implications.
Moreover, they are featuring prominent skeptic scientists who are warning of a potential little ice age and dismissing CO2 as a major climate driver. And all of this just before the release of the IPCC’s 5AR, no less!
Hat-tip: NTZ reader Arne Garbøl
The August 7 print edition of the Danish Jyllands-Posten, the famous daily that published the “Muhammad caricatures“, features a full 2-page article bearing the headline: ”The behavior of the sun may trigger a new little ice age” followed by the sub-headline: “Defying all predictions, the globe may be on the road towards a new little ice age with much colder winters.”:mrgreen:
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The ice age is the result of global warming. In order for the planet to re-stabilize the internal temperatures, homeostasis is achieved through an ice age. This is the theorized method by which Earth eventually establishes temperature equilibrium.
 
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