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In Australia’s Backyard – China Inks Pact With Solomon Islands To Set Up A Possible Military Base In The Region

This coming from someone whose ignorance of the indigenous australian is glaringly obvious.

The australian aboriginal was far more astute than you give credit for

They certainly knew how to survive a rough climate and were physically tough, but they were a primitive people.

So primitive that most American Indian tribes look highly advanced by comparison
 
They certainly knew how to survive a rough climate and were physically tough, but they were a primitive people.

So primitive that most American Indian tribes look highly advanced by comparison
Primitive is a relative concept. Burke and wills were british explorers and considered themselves at the hight of civilised people yet died of thirst because they thought their civilisation superior to the aboriginal who could have shown them a near by watering spot.

A closer look at the indigenous and it would be seen that they had a thriving civilisation that had lasted 50,000 years until the white man came along.
 
Primitive is a relative concept. Burke and wills were british explorers and considered themselves at the hight of civilised people yet died of thirst because they thought their civilisation superior to the aboriginal who could have shown them a near by watering spot.

Ok, relative to every other human civilization that ever existed after the end of the last ice age the aborigines were primitive AF.
A closer look at the indigenous and it would be seen that they had a thriving civilisation that had lasted 50,000 years until the white man came along.
They didn’t have anything resembling civilization. And there’s still aborigines around so they still exist despite the “white man coming along” as you put it
 
The leftist denial trick. Living in Australia post Covid is far more restrictive then China pre-Covid.

Besides Aussies have this wierd idea that they have to honor and apologize to the Aborogines who spent tens of thousands of years there and barely learned how to start a fire.

The trend in post British colonial countries to give unearned praise and honors to the primitive cultures they conquered is really wierd


Considering how brutally the Aboriginal Australians were treated, an apology is literally the LEAST Australia can do.
 
Buddy, when China takes over the Pacific, do you plan to start screaming at Putin? 😵
This was set in motion under Trump.

People may call this Trump Derangement Syndrome, but he did the more to destroy the USA in the world standing than any other president could have including a Hillary presidency.
 
Ok, relative to every other human civilization that ever existed after the end of the last ice age the aborigines were primitive AF.

They didn’t have anything resembling civilization. And there’s still aborigines around so they still exist despite the “white man coming along” as you put it
As I said, primitive is a relative concept.

They had plenty that resembles civilisation. they traded, built structures created maps and roads had wars and peace. They are the oldest, continuous civilisation.

They still exist bit there civilisation does not. That was destroyed by white man imposing their civilisation on them.
 
This was set in motion under Trump.

People may call this Trump Derangement Syndrome, but he did the more to destroy the USA in the world standing than any other president could have including a Hillary presidency.

The Buck Never Stops With Biden. All they ever do is blame someone else.
Do you remember Biden's teleconference with Boris Johnson & "that Australian guy over there whose name I can't remember"? Biden announced AUKUS, and that's what's now provoked China's move to create the new base at the Solomons. That base is going to seriously undermine Australia's security.
 
The Buck Never Stops With Biden. All they ever do is blame someone else.
Do you remember Biden's teleconference with Boris Johnson & "that Australian guy over there whose name I can't remember"? Biden announced AUKUS, and that's what's now provoked China's move to create the new base at the Solomons. That base is going to seriously undermine Australia's security.
You just can’t fathom how bad Donald Trump was as a US president. Okay. 👌
 
Yet another example of Schrodinger's foreign policy, the right doesn't want the the US to be the "world's police" yet they throw a fit when they lose influence with the world and smaller nations turn to other powers. The right wants the US to be the world's superpower but not have to pay for it and sustain that status.
 
The leftist denial trick. Living in Australia post Covid is far more restrictive then China pre-Covid.

Besides Aussies have this wierd idea that they have to honor and apologize to the Aborogines who spent tens of thousands of years there and barely learned how to start a fire.

The trend in post British colonial countries to give unearned praise and honors to the primitive cultures they conquered is really wierd
Every time civilization encounters primitive people it ruins their lives. Absolutely ruins them. Primitive people are always, no exceptions, better left in their primitive state.
 
Massive alarm bells are going off in Australia, as leaked documents have revealed that China is inking a deal with Solomon Islands for setting up a Chinese military/naval base there, off Australia's eastern coast.
That's quite a major flanking maneuver to outflank the Australian and US naval forces.
Basically, this looks like Guadalcanal from WW2 - like we're seeing a repeat of WW2 Japan's military strategic moves to particular islands across the Pacific. So we've seen this shit before, and should be able to remember what the next moves will be.

Bah - no big deal - should be a piece of cake to handle with Neville Biden in charge. Vice-Commander Kamala should be able to handle this as effectively as she handled the southern border.









First of all none of this stuff about a Chinese base in the Solomons has been verified and the viability of such a base would be highly questionable as the nearness that makes a it threat also renders it as being highly vulnerable as any such base could be taken out in a heartbeat.
 
First of all none of this stuff about a Chinese base in the Solomons has been verified and the viability of such a base would be highly questionable as the nearness that makes a it threat also renders it as being highly vulnerable as any such base could be taken out in a heartbeat.


Ohh, you mean its doorstep proximity and the prospect of it aligning with an opposing power means that it could be pre-emptively attacked or invaded?

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So the question then is - what letter will Aussie ships have painted on them?
 
You just can’t fathom how bad Donald Trump was as a US president. Okay. 👌
so you don't believe that presidents should be accountable while in office -- at least not Democrat presidents. Once a Republican president gets into office, then you'll be happy to say the buck stops with them. Got it.
 
Ohh, you mean its doorstep proximity and the prospect of it aligning with an opposing power means that it could be pre-emptively attacked or invaded?

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So the question then is - what letter will Aussie ships have painted on them?
Nope. Australia isn't Russia comrade.
 
Yes, unfortunately that's the mentality. Rather than abruptly doing a Pearl Harbor, the Chinese will wind up with a naval base in Kiribati, near Hawaii.
It's what's known as "Fighting the Long War".

The Chinese have always considered the Japanese to be too impatient.
 
Nope. Australia isn't Russia comrade.
And China isn't America. (Which isn't an observation that means what you probably think it does.)

Aside from border incursions involving Vietnam and India (which were more akin to "political demonstrations" than anything else) China has invaded (used in the sense of "sent its own troops into a country in order to achieve a change in government so as to install a new government more favourable to it - except as a counterattack") zero countries since 1900.

Did you know that there are only three countries in the world that the US has NOT either invaded (using "an armed attack or intervention - except as a counterattack - in a country by American forces" as the definition of "invasion") or established an American "military presence"? Those countries are: Andorra, Bhutan, and Liechtenstein. Of the (roughly) 195 "UN recognized" countries, the US has either invaded (see earlier definition) or fought in around 85.

ASIDE - Using that definition, neither China's involvement nor America's involvement in "The Fatherland Liberation War" (DPRK name), or "Six-Two-Five" (ROK name), or "The War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea" (PRC name) qualifies as an "invasion".
 
And China isn't America. (Which isn't an observation that means what you probably think it does.)

Aside from border incursions involving Vietnam and India (which were more akin to "political demonstrations" than anything else) China has invaded (used in the sense of "sent its own troops into a country in order to achieve a change in government so as to install a new government more favourable to it - except as a counterattack") zero countries since 1900.

Did you know that there are only three countries in the world that the US has NOT either invaded (using "an armed attack or intervention - except as a counterattack - in a country by American forces" as the definition of "invasion") or established an American "military presence"? Those countries are: Andorra, Bhutan, and Liechtenstein. Of the (roughly) 195 "UN recognized" countries, the US has either invaded (see earlier definition) or fought in around 85.

ASIDE - Using that definition, neither China's involvement nor America's involvement in "The Fatherland Liberation War" (DPRK name), or "Six-Two-Five" (ROK name), or "The War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea" (PRC name) qualifies as an "invasion".

Yep, the Chinese government sticks to slaughtering its own people, of which it has succeeded more throughly than even the Japanese could have ever dreamt of doing 🙄

Not to mention, of course, the ongoing genocide in Xinjiang, or the invasion and colonization of Tibet.
 
Nope. Australia isn't Russia comrade.
So you've just told me your values for international relations aren't consistent. "Not Russia" isn't really something the entire world can revolve around.
Who is "Not Russia"? Is China "Not Russia" too? Is Iran "Not Russia"? The world isn't going to revolve around your personal preferences & pet peeves.
 
So you've just told me your values for international relations aren't consistent. "Not Russia" isn't really something the entire world can revolve around.
Who is "Not Russia"? Is China "Not Russia" too? Is Iran "Not Russia"? The world isn't going to revolve around your personal preferences & pet peeves.
Australia isn't in the habit of unilaterally deploying the use of military force against sovereign nations to effect regime change and/or to seize territory from afore mentioned sovereign states. Russia is. Despite your delirious delusions to the contrary. But carry on comrade. I know you got a job to do that requires pleasing your handlers.
 
Australia isn't in the habit of unilaterally deploying the use of military force against sovereign nations to effect regime change and/or to seize territory from afore mentioned sovereign states. Russia is. Despite your delirious delusions to the contrary. But carry on comrade. I know you got a job to do that requires pleasing your handlers.
I don't know if you've heard - but America is indeed in the habit of doing such things, and Australia has gone along with it on multiple occasions. The US initiated war against North Vietnam using the flimsy Gulf of Tonkin pretext - and Australian soldiers did fight in that war.

The United States did also carry out a regime change operation in Kyiv in 2014, to overthrow Ukraine's pro-Kremlin govt, and that's actually led to the Russia-Ukraine war we're now seeing today.
 
Massive alarm bells are going off in Australia, as leaked documents have revealed that China is inking a deal with Solomon Islands for setting up a Chinese military/naval base there, off Australia's eastern coast.
That's quite a major flanking maneuver to outflank the Australian and US naval forces.
Basically, this looks like Guadalcanal from WW2 - like we're seeing a repeat of WW2 Japan's military strategic moves to particular islands across the Pacific. So we've seen this shit before, and should be able to remember what the next moves will be.

Bah - no big deal - should be a piece of cake to handle with Neville Biden in charge. Vice-Commander Kamala should be able to handle this as effectively as she handled the southern border.









China has bases in 4 other countries... the USA has bases in 48 other countries... something like 300+ overseas bases while China has about 10.


And here is America. Freaking out. LOL
 
Australia isn't in the habit of unilaterally deploying the use of military force against sovereign nations to effect regime change and/or to seize territory from afore mentioned sovereign states. Russia is.
Equally:

Australia isn't in the habit of unilaterally deploying the use of military force against sovereign nations to effect regime change and/or to seize territory from afore mentioned sovereign states. The United States of America is.​
Despite your delirious delusions to the contrary. But carry on comrade. I know you got a job to do that requires pleasing your handlers.
You would do a whole lot better if you actually knew what the US government's ACTUAL policies and practices are.
 
China has bases in 4 other countries... the USA has bases in 48 other countries... something like 300+ overseas bases while China has about 10.
Slightly dated (it's from 2015), but still mostly accurate is the "800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad" from "Where in the World Is the U.S. Military?".
And here is America. Freaking out. LOL
There are days when you want to wonder if American would get any exercise at all if it didn't run around like a chicken with its head cut off.
 
I don't know if you've heard - but America is indeed in the habit of doing such things, and Australia has gone along with it on multiple occasions. The US initiated war against North Vietnam using the flimsy Gulf of Tonkin pretext - and Australian soldiers did fight in that war.
And Russian and Chinese soldiers fought in the Vietnam as well. So what's your point?
The United States did also carry out a regime change operation in Kyiv in 2014, to overthrow Ukraine's pro-Kremlin govt, and that's actually led to the Russia-Ukraine war we're now seeing today.
The Ukrainian people weren't going to accept a Putin puppet heading up their government in 2014 and they certainly aren't going accept one now no matter what. As Russia is learning now the hard way.
 
And Russian and Chinese soldiers fought in the Vietnam as well. So what's your point?
Indeed, from July 1965 to December 1974, more than 6000 generals and officers and more than 4,500 soldiers were sent to Vietnam as specialists. Of those around 16 were fatalities.

People's Liberation Army (PLA) forces first entered (North) Vietnam in July 1965 to help defend Hanoi and its major transportation systems. The total number of Chinese troops in (North) Vietnam between June 1965 and March 1968 amounted to over 320,000. There is no record of any of those troops serving in (South) Vietnam nor in combat against American forces.

Those number make the mere (roughly) 2,700,000 American men and women that served in Vietnam seem like a drop in the bucket.
The Ukrainian people weren't going to accept a Putin puppet heading up their government in 2014 ...
Well, the US and the CIA most certainly weren't - and got their way in an election in which the "pro-Russia" areas were largely denied the vote. Of course the "duly elected" President turned out to be more than slightly corrupt.
and they certainly aren't going accept one now no matter what.
In the parts of Ukraine that Russia isn't actively interested in, you are quite correct.
As Russia is learning now the hard way.
Whether or not Russia is going to be able to hold on to the areas of Ukraine that it is actively interested in is still undecided. Don't go any higher than your lunch money, and bet whichever way you feel like betting.
 
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