I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortion?

[Jerry]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

Last night my stepmother out of the blue asks me what my position on abortion is.

I dodged the question, of course, because family+politics=fight.

I said "well, Kristin and I adopted out 2 kids, so...."

No, I didn't finish the sentence. I just shrugged it off.

And then, of course, she has to tell me her position, which made my head explode.

It's not that she's pro-choice, I could stand in the same room with pro-choicers...it's that her position is hypocritical.

She believes that abortion is in fact actually murder in every way, but the woman should still have a choice. She says it's a sin, it's wrong in every case where the mother is not going to die, but it should still be legal.

So, my stepmother supports killing children. This woman is hyperfeminin (to the point of it being a diagnosed disorder), quickly becomes over attached to strays (yes, she has way to many animals) and cries for days whenever pups or kittens and sent to new homes. She will scream and fight, throng pots and pans in a desperate attempt to live down to the stereotype, if anyone seriously suggests that one of her animal's pregnancies be aborted...but human children...well that's ok.

The dark side of me looks forward to the day when her darling lil baby (who just turned 18 a few days ago) tells her that his girlfriend aborted his mommy's first grandchild. We'll see what she thinks about abortion then.

 

[Laila]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

It's not that she's pro-choice, I could stand in the same room with pro-choicers...it's that her position is hypocritical.

She believes that abortion is in fact actually murder in every way, but the woman should still have a choice. She says it's a sin, it's wrong in every case where the mother is not going to die, but it should still be legal.

I know many people like that, many within my family who believe abortion is murder and wrong but take the stance that state shouldn't interfere with choice. I just walk away from Abortion debates in my family, it gets heated very quickly

 

[Jerry]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

Incorrect. There are a lot of things I'm not FOR, but yet I believe people should have the choice to do them.

Something is either legal or it's not. If you want it to be legal, you are supporting it even if you are by far not it's strongest advocate.

 

[Jerry]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

I know many people like that, many within my family who believe abortion is murder and wrong but take the stance that state shouldn't interfere with choice. I just walk away from Abortion debates in my family, it gets heated very quickly

I think that's the part that made my head explode, I couldn't debate it with her.

With her, no issue boils down to logic or reason, it boils down to how a medically inappropriate level of estrogen forces her to feel about it at that specific moment; everything she says has an expiration date of a few minutes.

 

[anti-abiding]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

Incorrect. There are a lot of things I'm not FOR, but yet I believe people should have the choice to do them.

There are only two choices for this argument. By being pro-life you are against it and only that, which means, the only ones who could be FOR it, are the pro-choicers.


This non-argument fails every time some anti-choice person attempts to use it.

A fetus is incapable of feeling or thinking or having a consciousness. Incapable. Not possible.

A sleeping PERSON, however, is still thinking while asleep. Still has a consciousness while asleep. And can still feel while asleep.

You can not actually feel when you are asleep. Why does it matter how long a period of time it is, let it be nine months or one night, that they are unconscious of their surroundings, if in the end, they both come out of it as human beings?



anti-abiding

 

[Laila]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

Something is either legal or it's not. If you want it to be legal, you are supporting it even if you are by far not it's strongest advocate.

I think drinking alcohol is wrong but i will not shove my choice down someone else throat

 

[Laila]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

I think that's the part that made my head explode, I couldn't debate it with her.

With her, no issue boils down to logic or reason, it boils down to how a medically inappropriate level of estrogen forces her to feel about it at that specific moment; everything she says has an expiration date of a few minutes.

Oh i can debate with my family but it always end up in the same place. "What does the Qu'ran say, lets go see" and i am wrong and they are right. I save myself alot of grief by just agreeing with my aunts about how horrible abortion is and walking away

 

[Jerry]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

I think drinking alcohol is wrong but i will not shove my choice down someone else throat

I'd be happy to shove my choice down your throat. Lay down on your back, let your head hang over the edge of the mattress slightly....

 

[Jerry]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

I think drinking alcohol is wrong but i will not shove my choice down someone else throat

No one dies with a drink or 2....abortion = drunk driving, though, and yeah, I'm more than happy to force my opinion onto those ****ers.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

Something is either legal or it's not. If you want it to be legal, you are supporting it even if you are by far not it's strongest advocate.

Supporting something and not wanting the government to make the decision for you are two entirely different things.

 

[Jerry]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

Oh i can debate with my family but it always end up in the same place. "What does the Qu'ran say, lets go see" and i am wrong and they are right. I save myself alot of grief by just agreeing with my aunts about how horrible abortion is and walking away

Next time pull out a bible.....I mean, if it's going to be a fight anyway....

 

[Jerry]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

Supporting something and not wanting the government to make the decision for you are two entirely different things.

The government isn't making the decision for you, though.

I am.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

Wait.

What?

I'm confused.

 

[Laila]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

No one dies with a drink or 2....abortion = drunk driving, though, and yeah, I'm more than happy to force my opinion onto those ****ers.

I think alcohol is a curse on society. It damages when abused and it is abused widely by teenagers. I see children from the age of 12 with vodka in their hands in the park. Its disgusting.

Something that can lead to someone having little control over themselves can lead to many circumstances which i think can be avoided if people just do not drink.

Saying that, i would not ban alcohol even if i had the ability and power.

 

[Jerry]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

Wait.

What?

I'm confused.

It's ok, here, I've got something in my pocket for you. Just reach right in and see what it is.

 

[Laila]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

Next time pull out a bible.....I mean, if it's going to be a fight anyway....

There is a difference between fight and bringing death upon myself. I like breathing lol

 

[Jerry]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

I think alcohol is a curse on society. It damages when abused and it is abused widely by teenagers. I see children from the age of 12 with vodka in their hands in the park. Its disgusting.

Something that can lead to someone having little control over themselves can lead to many circumstances which i think can be avoided if people just do not drink.

Saying that, i would not ban alcohol even if i had the ability and power.

You can have a drink and legally drive. That = early abortion, imo.

The legal limit = "viability", and once you cross that line, that's it.

 

[Jerry]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

There is a difference between fight and bringing death upon myself. I like breathing lol

Oh I assumed you owned a gun :doh that's right I see you're in London.

Well in that case next time pull out a toothbrush.

 

[Laila]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

You can have a drink and legally drive. That = early abortion, imo.

The legal limit = "viability", and once you cross that line, that's it.

And viability is 24 weeks in UK.
I have a strong strong feeling that in the next 4 years the abortion limit will be lowered to 22 or 20 as the ability to keep a foetus alive increases.

After the cut off point, no more abortion unless Mother is in danger

 

[Jerry]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

And viability is 24 weeks in UK.
I have a strong strong feeling that in the next 4 years the abortion limit will be lowered to 22 or 20 as the ability to keep a foetus alive increases.

After the cut off point, no more abortion unless Mother is in danger

Here in SD it's 22 weeks, and we're trying to lower the drinking age limit, fyi :2wave:

 

[Laila]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

Oh I assumed you owned a gun :doh that's right I see you're in London.

Well in that case next time pull out a toothbrush.

No need to make me more jealous.
Yes i live in London where we have no guns and the only ones here are with the police or a museum :lol:

No broomstick? Nope. You give me a tiny weapon.

 

[Laila]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

Here in SD it's 22 weeks, and we're trying to lower the drinking age limit, fyi :2wave:

What a funny coincidence, Labour was trying to raise the drinking limit to match US :2wave:
They are already raised smoking from 16 to 18. And driving from 18 to 21 i believe.

I think it should go down and soon. 24 weeks is too late, whatever person that do not know they are pregnant at that stage is beyond me.

 

[Jerry]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

What a funny coincidence, Labour was trying to raise the drinking limit to match US :2wave:
They are already raised smoking from 16 to 18. And driving from 18 to 21 i believe.

What? No driving until 21? Damn. Here you start driving at 14. Yes, 14. You have to have a permit from your school, and your license has a few restrictions, but you're behind the wheel at 14.

I think the US should raise the age to get a full restriction-free license to 21, and ban Asians entirely.

 

[Laila]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

What? No driving until 21? Damn. Here you start driving at 14. Yes, 14. You have to have a permit from your school, and your license has a few restrictions, but you're behind the wheel at 14.

I think the US should raise the age to get a full restriction-free license to 21, and ban Asians entirely.

I can't drive, Its a hassle and waste of time. I do have my provisional licence tho =]

At 14?? :O
Holy crap, you can have sex at 16 here and serve the army but cannot be anywhere near alcoholic drinks or smokes until you are older. Mind boggles.

Young drivers are just horrible here, and men.

 

[rivrrat]

Re: I'm kind of new here, but this is my question: What is your reasoning FOR abortio

It IS morally wrong to dodge consequences, but by healing yourself from that disease, you are not dodging the consequence, but dealing with it.

And by having an abortion you are dealing with the unintended consequence as well.

So, during 9/11, it was OK for the terrorists to blow up the Twin Towers with everyone inside of them? It's OK if someone murdered all your friends? It's OK? You are either heartless or dislike living, either way, I feel sorry for you because it is most certainly NOT okay to kill people.

It most certainly can be okay to kill people. In many, many instances. Such as blowing the heads off the ****ers that initiated 9/11. Or any other number of murderers. Or anyone who even tries to harm me or my family.

One cannot make a blanket statement concluding that it is 'morally wrong' to kill a human being. No, it is NOT. It is only 'morally wrong' in certain circumstances.

Something is either legal or it's not. If you want it to be legal, you are supporting it even if you are by far not it's strongest advocate.

Incorrect. I support no such thing. I merely support other people's choice to do them.

You can not actually feel when you are asleep. Why does it matter how long a period of time it is, let it be nine months or one night, that they are unconscious of their surroundings, if in the end, they both come out of it as human beings?



anti-abiding

Yes, you CAN actually feel while you're asleep. And think. And have a consciousness. You are self-aware, thinking, feeling, sentient... even while asleep. You cannot claim that about a fetus younger than 22 weeks or so, at all. It is not physically possible for them to think or have a consciousness or be self aware or sentient.